legality of lamping

shooter88

I'm looking to lamp foxs to shoot just woundering if its ok to do ..any restrictions on lamping?can anything be lamped rabbits pigeon etc...
Thanks in advance

kildare.17hmr

Lamping foxes and rabbits is fine, no restrictions. Dunno how you would lamp pigeons!

Just make sure you know your land and are sure of every single shot. If in doubt about a backstop or target dont shoot, not worth it!

garv123

Rabbits and foxes you can lamp fine...
You can't lamp or shoot from a motor propelled vehicle of any kind on or off the road...

Dont think you can lamp birds birds..and it would be rare to see them at night anyway except wood cock which you definitely can't lamp.

Spunk84

No one every lamp pheasants when they are roasting,seen it on YouTube showing how the old timers did,pure class ..... No sport in it but shows u there are not smart birds haha ,

blackstairsboy

Before anybody jumps down my neck saying it was illegal because I honestly don't know to this day whether it was or not but me and a pal had the best fun lamping pigeons when we were chaps with a shotgun. A really stormy night we would just walk along and shine the light into any likely looking trees and catch a pigeon flying out. The lamp would dazzle him and an easy shot would be taken at a near stationary pigeon in the air. We did at times bring them down to the ground with the lamp alone if it was powerful enough. We had great craic doing it and made some nice bags. Best was 20 plus.

Its years since I done it but I may do it again if its allowed. Anybody know the legalities?

hedzball

Lamping pigeon is illegal in the UK.

Legally, lamping and shooting are two distinctly different acts.
Haven't read up on legalities over here but as pigeon thou vermin are under derogation i'd imagine its

illegal for any person to hunt any protected wild animal or protected wild bird while using a lamp, light, torch, mirror or other artificial dazzling device.

Meant to be fun mind

Only legality with lamping fox here is when asking for permission on farmers land you have to state you intend to lamp fox .. Most know this anyway.. Its a case of tinfoil hat me thinks..

:rolleyes:

Sparks

hedzball wrote: »

Only legality with lamping fox here is when asking for permission on farmers land you have to state you intend to lamp fox .

...and that you don't do it from a motorised vehicle of any kind (and the idea of one lad in the jeep with the lamp and one in the field with the rifle is a gray area - ask johngalway about this one, he knows more than most about this topic)...

kildare.17hmr

hedzball wrote: »

Only legality with lamping fox here is when asking for permission on farmers land you have to state you intend to lamp fox .. Most know this anyway.. Its a case of tinfoil hat me thinks..
:rolleyes:

Thats not a legal requirement at all lad you dont have to state that, good idea to mention it tho so ya dont give anyone a reason to call the guards!

garv123

Derogation only says out can shoot them with a rifle or shotgun out of season for crop protection and doesn't mention lamping so they are still a protected species which cannot be shot under a lamp.

landkeeper

from memory the wildlife act states it's a big nono to use a dazzling device or a mirror to hunt birds or words to that effect

4200fps

Sparks wrote: »

...and that you don't do it from a motorised vehicle of any kind (and the idea of one lad in the jeep with the lamp and one in the field with the rifle is a gray area - ask johngalway about this one, he knows more than most about this topic)...

I don't see johngalway on line anymore. Anybody hear from him????? I used to enjoy his reads.

garv123

Sparks wrote: »

...and that you don't do it from a motorised vehicle of any kind (and the idea of one lad in the jeep with the lamp and one in the field with the rifle is a gray area - ask johngalway about this one, he knows more than most about this topic)...

I dont think its a grey area at all..

hunt” means stalk, pursue, chase, drive, flush, capture, course, attract, follow, search for, lie in wait for, take, trap or shoot by any means whether with or without dogs, and, except in sections 28 and 29, includes killing in the course of hunting, but does not in this Act include stalking, attracting, searching for or lying in wait for any fauna by an unarmed person solely for the purpose of watching or of taking or making photographic or other pictures, and kindred words shall be construed accordingly;

Sitting in a jeep with a lamp you are "searching for" which according to the act is a part of hunting.

Spunk84

garv123 wrote: »

I dont think its a grey area at all..



Sitting in a jeep with a lamp you are "searching for" which according to the act is a part of hunting.

pretty much its the law, being caught as well just shows ya that even the gards are beginning to catch on pretty quickly how to get rid of you.Most of been pretty close to a road to have gard catch them in the act:rolleyes:

johngalway

4200fps wrote: »

I don't see johngalway on line anymore. Anybody hear from him????? I used to enjoy his reads.

Boo! :eek:



Not sure about the one lad in the vehicle, shooter outside really. I'd say not legal but I'm guessing. HAdn't we a thread a while back on "hunting" from a vehicle, rather than what most of us here would call lamping. As in shining a light from a vehicle to find the fox. I think that thread might have more information on it.

Edit: (+1 to what Garv said, I hadn't read all the thread).

Get out'n f'kin walk is my take on lamping It's healthier for ya, it's more craic, and you learn more, IMO.

blackstairsboy

landkeeper wrote: »

from memory the wildlife act states it's a big nono to use a dazzling device or a mirror to hunt birds or words to that effect

I won't be doing it any more so. Ah well I will still be able to think back on all that fun we had.:)

Grizzly 45

johngalway wrote: »

Boo! :eek:



Not sure about the one lad in the vehicle, shooter outside really. I'd say not legal but I'm guessing. HAdn't we a thread a while back on "hunting" from a vehicle, rather than what most of us here would call lamping. As in shining a light from a vehicle to find the fox. I think that thread might have more information on it.

Edit: (+1 to what Garv said, I hadn't read all the thread).

Get out'n f'kin walk is my take on lamping It's healthier for ya, it's more craic, and you learn more, IMO.

I'd guess from the way the law is worded and the big operative part in it is FROM a vechicle.If the shooter is outside the vechicle by two steps,or off his ATV he isnt on it, or in it.Ergo,it must be legal,although maybe not in the spirt of the law .

Dunno how this will work with a boat if you are duck hunting!:D
Are you supposed to row out to where you want to shoot,as this applies to boats as well???

garv123

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I'd guess from the way the law is worded and the big operative part in it is FROM a vechicle.If the shooter is outside the vechicle by two steps,or off his ATV he isnt on it, or in it.Ergo,it must be legal,although maybe not in the spirt of the law .

Dunno how this will work with a boat if you are duck hunting!:D
Are you supposed to row out to where you want to shoot,as this applies to boats as well???

The law says you cannot hunt from a motor vehicle from a vehicle and the act also defines searching for as hunting so the guy with the lamp is hunting.
So so stupid and yes apparently if you do not remove the engine from the boat it is illegal :rolleyes::rolleyes:

No wonder everyone loves the Irish laws :rolleyes::rolleyes:

johngalway

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

I'd guess from the way the law is worded and the big operative part in it is FROM a vechicle.If the shooter is outside the vechicle by two steps,or off his ATV he isnt on it, or in it.Ergo,it must be legal,although maybe not in the spirt of the law .

The question was, whether it is legal for two people to shoot a fox, the shooter being outside and off the vehicle, the person using the lamp in the vehicle. So, the person in the vehicle is actively hunting the fox in that instance.

Now, if it was a case of the shooter being outside the vehicle, not resting on it, and having a scope mounted lamp, battery pack, and rifle, I see no problem. It's the assistance from the vehicle that's the issue.

Grizzly 45

And a remote controlled searchlight via cable or IR takes care of that other problem of the driver not being in the vechicle.All it takes is for them to step outside the vechicle and it is not shooting from a vechicle..

Has there ever been a sucessful prosecution on this particular point of law here??

garv123

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And a remote controlled searchlight via cable or IR takes care of that other problem of the driver not being in the vechicle.All it takes is for them to step outside the vechicle and it is not shooting from a vechicle..

Has there ever been a sucessful prosecution on this particular point of law here??

That defeats the purpose of lazy people lamping from a vehicle though?
Why not just step out and hold the lamp in your hand which is perfectly legal?

As for the prosecution part.. That would actually involve people who enforce the law to know the law...

hedzball

garv123 wrote: »

The law says you cannot hunt from a motor vehicle from a vehicle and the act also defines searching for as hunting so the guy with the lamp is hunting.
So so stupid and yes apparently if you do not remove the engine from the boat it is illegal :rolleyes::rolleyes:

No wonder everyone loves the Irish laws :rolleyes::rolleyes:

So if we row our boats its not illegal :pac::pac:

and if we peddle our cars its legal..


yabba dabba doo

garv123

hedzball wrote: »

So if we row our boats its not illegal :pac::pac:

and if we peddle our cars its legal..


yabba dabba doo

Yup thats exactly what the law says. remove the engine and its legal.

hedzball

garv123 wrote: »

Yup thats exactly what the law says. remove the engine and its legal.

Hooking up a wee dyno now to the front wheel :cool::cool:

its all well in good saying get out and get to it.. But theres only so many hours in the night this time of year :rolleyes:



FFS what difference does it make.. one less of them is a few more birdys..






'hdz

garv123

Loads of people do drive around their land with their jeeps and quads.. Dont see anything wrong with it myself if its off the road it does no harm.. Same goes for what difference will taking the engine off your boat do when you get to the spot you want.
Id say hundreds of people shoot from motor powered boats every year and nothing is ever done about it nor anything said about it.

landkeeper

i see no problem with it either on land where you have permission , but i think you'll find it was worded that way to try to do something or at least be able to do something about the muppets who drive the roads lamping and shooting as they go, sometimes shooting foxes but more often than not using that as an excuse when they are really shooting deer

Grizzly 45

RE the boat side of things.
I could see it as being outright dangerous and stupid,trying to heave off your sole means of propulsion in a possible deep body of water,and you accidently deep six the motor,just to be legal to shoot ducks and then having to rely on muscle power to get out there or back with darkness closing in on you fast and the weather starting to act up,as no doubt Mr Murphy will kick in.:eek: Its not everyone can row a boat efficently ,and a lot of boat designs do not lend themselves to rowing.
I'd hate another to see another water borne tragedy just because somone was trying to obey the law.:(
Understandable enough if somone was dicking around on the lake chasing ducks at high speed in a speed boat and acting like they were on a 'Nam riverine gun boat.[Has no doubt happened here:rolleyes:].But using it to get out safley to your shooting ground,or going no faster than what you could row while stalking the reed beds????Thats even allowed in the US where they actually have an efficent F&G patrols for duck season,and are pretty picky on what is legal or not..

shooter88

The law on shooting from a mechanicaly propelled vehicle jeep/boat is to try stop gobs***te's shooting from a moving vehicle obviously seriously decreasing accuracy of aim leaving a stray bullet..I personally think once the vehicle is stationary you should be allowed shoot it would save me a lot of walking

Vegeta

It was my understanding that section 44 of the Wildlife Amendment Act 2000 allows for wild birds to be shot from a vehicle as long as it is stationary.

(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in this Act apart from this section, a person shall not hunt or disturb for the purpose of hunting—

(a) any wild animal by means of a mechanically-propelled vehicle, vessel or aircraft, whether it is being so propelled or is stationary,

(b) any wild bird by means of such a vehicle, vessel or aircraft, while it is being so propelled.

Is there a more recent SI that changes this?

garv123

Vegeta wrote: »

It was my understanding that section 44 of the Wildlife Amendment Act 2000 allows for wild birds to be shot from a vehicle as long as it is stationary.



Is there a more recent SI that changes this?

(1) Notwithstanding anything contained in this Act apart from this section, a person shall not hunt or disturb for the purpose of hunting—

(a) any wild animal by means of a mechanically-propelled vehicle, vessel or aircraft, whether it is being so propelled or is stationary,

It says a person shall not hunt or disturb, whether it is propelled or stationary vegeta..

Vegeta

garv123 wrote: »

It says a person shall not hunt or disturb, whether it is propelled or stationary vegeta..

Only part (a) says "propelled or stationary" and that refers to wild animals which does not include birds. So yes for foxing and lamping this is a no no.

For duck shooting from a boat, it's part (b) because you are hunting wild birds and that says "propelled" and does not include "stationary".

(a) is for wild animals
(b) is for wild birds

garv123

Vegeta wrote: »

Only part (a) says "propelled or stationary" and that refers to wild animals which does not include birds. So yes for foxing and lamping this is a no no.

For duck shooting from a boat, it's part (b) because you are hunting wild birds and that says "propelled" and does not include "stationary".

(a) is for wild animals
(b) is for wild birds

Ah I see, didn't read the first bit properly.

deano2882

i was told it not illegal to lamp off a road but is most definitly illegal to shoot within 50metres of a road or dwelling that why i went for scope mounted led walk in to nice spot put on caller wait few min lamp on if charlie fox within range n shot is safe its lights out charlie...

Vizzy

[QUOTE=deano2882;83174433]i was told it not illegal to lamp off a road but is most definitly illegal to shoot within 50metres of a road or dwelling[/B] that why i went for scope mounted led walk in to nice spot put on caller wait few min lamp on if charlie fox within range n shot is safe its lights out charlie...[/QUOTE]

Read that bit to yourself again

Sparks

No, that makes sense Vizzy, if it's a two-man setup, with one lad on the road with the light and the other off the road with the rifle.

That said, zombie thread much?

cavan shooter

Sparks wrote: »

No, that makes sense Vizzy, if it's a two-man setup, with one lad on the road with the light and the other off the road with the rifle.

That said, zombie thread much?

Yep!