09 is220d

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Hi all.

Would this be good buy 83k on 2009 for €16k from a main dealer


Have read that Lexus has extended the warranty to cover certain issues, can anybody confirm?

Thanks

Rg

colm_mcm

The IS is a bit past it, a 3 series or even an a4 outclass it thoroughly

The is200d is more drivable and lower tax too, same engine just different tune.

bazz26

The IS just isn't competitive these days especially against the likes of a 3 Series or A4.

For that sort of money I would be looking at the Honda Accord. The Accord does everything better than it bar having rwd and even the IS is not a great drivers car given it is rwd. The Accord DTEC is just as well if not better equipped as most IS models, has more room and the engine is more refined and fuel efficent than the unit found in the IS. Here is one of the same vintage and mileage for similar money:


http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=6813359556497770

I'd have an Accord over an IS any day.

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Thanks guys
I have to buy from a main dealer ( B oI finance terms)
accord would be first choice but can't afford 09
16kfrom main dealer is limit hence the IS

Green Hornet

Funny, I had an IS for a week and hated it. Was trading an Accord CDTi. Picked up an 08 Accord iDTEC in black like above - not as cheap as the one linked though!

Very happy with it.

coolisin

Ah surely you could get that car for 16k.
I'd be agreeing with bazz there.
Accord is better then the is, the is diesel ain't as refined as it should be for a diesel.

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coolisin wrote: »

Ah surely you could get that car for 16k.
I'd be agreeing with bazz there.
Accord is better then the is, the is diesel ain't as refined as it should be for a diesel.

I need to buy from a main dealer as part of terms for finance

bazz26

How about a Mazda 6:



http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=28713432956893260

-Corkie-

return guide wrote: »

Thanks guys
I have to buy from a main dealer ( B oI finance terms)
accord would be first choice but can't afford 09
16kfrom main dealer is limit hence the IS

You will get it for 16k assuming its a straight sale.

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bazz26 wrote: »

How about a Mazda 6:



http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=28713432956893260

Thanks Bazz
Loved Mazda years ago but their specs are a bit crappy lately. No fogs etc
Good looking motor though

bazz26

return guide wrote: »

Thanks Bazz
Loved Mazda years ago but their specs are a bit crappy lately. No fogs etc
Good looking motor though

That is the top Sport model, fog lights can be retro fitted afterwards if needed. A smaller compromise imo than choosing an IS to suit the conditions of a finance deal.

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This is the is
http://www.denismahony.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=28513432234257470
Sorry for thE link on the mobile

Mully_2011

I'd take a is220d over a paddy spec 320d or a4 tbh.

Green Hornet

Mully_2011 wrote: »

I'd take a is220d over a paddy spec 320d or a4 tbh.

No. After having one for a week they're just terrible. Cramped, thirsty and the gearbox wasn't suited to the car at all - couldn't handle 6th gear at all. I wanted to like it cos I like the look of them but just hated it. The dash was crap too.

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Any views on the specific car linked ?

Jimbob 83

2.2 toyota diesel engine gives alot more trouble than the 2 litre d4d commonrail i would factor that in regardless if engine problems are considered by some on here to be a trivial matter to consider when buying :rolleyes:

Personally i would have an older 520d

coolisin

Sorry didn't realise you needed to have a main dealer to buy with finance.

I think you could get a lower mileage car with as many extras for €16k.

You'd get an accord with everything is imagine for €16k.

Mazda 6 top spec is a good car with the 2.2 diesel.

I think the Lexus would disappoint.

Nice looking car at least, I like the look of the leather seats you know they'd be comfy.

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Jimbob 83 wrote: »

2.2 toyota diesel engine gives alot more trouble than the 2 litre d4d commonrail i would factor that in regardless if engine problems are considered by some on here to be a trivial matter to consider when buying :rolleyes:

Personally i would have an older 520d

Can't get finance for an older car but thanks anyway

Anybody know about the warrenty

Green Hornet

coolisin wrote: »

You'd get an accord with everything is imagine for €16k

You won't get an 09 Accord with reasonable miles for 16K.

Jimbob 83

Well if you are getting finance you won't own the car until the last payment so i think reliability should be top of your list

Volvo's are extremely reliable maybe consider one of those

IrishZeus

I have a Lexus IS250. My OH has a 3-series BMW.

I find the Lexus a much nicer place to sit and a more comfortable drive. Can't comment on performance given mine is the petrol 250, but I have driven a 220d before quite a bit and the power delivery, in my opinion, is smoother and quicker. Looks wise, I much prefer the Lexus over the 3-series saloon equivalent. Personal taste though obviously.

Cons to the lexus (220) is terrible fuel consumption. If you're doing big mileage, then take the BMW without question. Cons to the BMW, I find the steering quite heavy in comparison to the Lexus and the interior just isn't in the same league. Dash in the Lexus is much easier on the eye.

But now for the weirdness. From reading the above - you're probably thinking I would buy the Lexus over the BMW without a second thought. My next planned car is a 335d Coupe. Reason why?

I f*cking hate my Lexus. Its just not a drivers car.

Buy a BMW. Or an Audi. Just not a Lexus.

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IrishZeus wrote: »

I have a Lexus IS250. My OH has a 3-series BMW.

I find the Lexus a much nicer place to sit and a more comfortable drive. Can't comment on performance given mine is the petrol 250, but I have driven a 220d before quite a bit and the power delivery, in my opinion, is smoother and quicker. Looks wise, I much prefer the Lexus over the 3-series saloon equivalent. Personal taste though obviously.

Cons to the lexus (220) is terrible fuel consumption. If you're doing big mileage, then take the BMW without question. Cons to the BMW, I find the steering quite heavy in comparison to the Lexus and the interior just isn't in the same league. Dash in the Lexus is much easier on the eye.

But now for the weirdness. From reading the above - you're probably thinking I would buy the Lexus over the BMW without a second thought. My next planned car is a 335d Coupe. Reason why?

I f*cking hate my Lexus. Its just not a drivers car.

Buy a BMW. Or an Audi. Just not a Lexus.

Thanks, but can't afford a 09 honda ,BMW , or Audi.

Looking for views on the linked car .

Jimbob 83

return guide wrote: »

Thanks, but can't afford a 09 honda ,BMW , or Audi.

Looking for views on the linked car .

Thats a very sweeping statement tbh. sounds like you are having the bank choose your car, remember you aren't commited to anything yet

My loan was for a Focus diesel

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Jimbob 83 wrote: »

Well if you are getting finance you won't own the car until the last payment so i think reliability should be top of your list

Volvo's are extremely reliable maybe consider one of those

Thanks

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Jimbob 83 wrote: »

Thats a very sweeping statement tbh. sounds like you are having the bank choose your car, remember you aren't commited to anything yet

Went on carzone, filtered for main dealers and no accords, BMW or audi came up when €16 k was entered.

Bank is stopping me from my real preference

But any ideas on the car in the link

Gumbo

return guide wrote: »

Looking for views on the linked car .

return guide wrote: »

But any ideas on the car in the link

yes, nice car but i wouldnt drive one or buy one with my own money. gearing all wrong, power band is strange and just not a nice car to drive. great looking though.

I have experience with one from new (2006 model)

Mully_2011 wrote: »

I'd take a is220d over a paddy spec 320d or a4 tbh.

and similarilly, i'd take a 320d over a paddy spec is220d anyday.

Jimbob 83

return guide wrote: »

Went on carzone, filtered for main dealers and no accords, BMW or audi came up when €16 k was entered.

Bank is stopping me from my real preference

But any ideas on the car in the link

If you are gonna go for an IS get the 2 litre D4D engined one, much much better engine and very little to go wrong with it, only available on the IS for the last few years though

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Jimbob 83 wrote: »

If you are gonna go for an IS get the 2 litre D4D engined one, much much better engine and very little to go wrong with it, only available on the IS for the last few years though

Thanks but you haven't really being paying attention to the thread

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kceire wrote: »

yes, nice car but i wouldnt drive one or buy one with my own money. gearing all wrong, power band is strange and just not a nice car to drive. great looking though.

I have experience with one from new (2006 model)



and similarilly, i'd take a 320d over a paddy spec is220d anyday.

It's has xenons and ventilated leather seats

Hardly Paddy spec

Jimbob 83

return guide wrote: »

Thanks but you haven't really being paying attention to the thread

I have, and as i said above if you want the car your bank wants you to have thats great but i wouldn't pay money for one.

Gumbo

return guide wrote: »

It's has xenons and ventilated leather seats

Hardly Paddy spec

nevr said that partculay IS was paddy spec????
I commented on another poster who blindly posted they would pick an IS over a paddy spec 320d/A4. But like for like, i would pick the 320d/A4.

To be honest OP, sound slike your mind is already made up, no pont getting anybody eles opinion, your the one paying for it over the next 3/5 years and has to live with it everyday, so if your happy with it, go for it.

coolisin

Pity you cant get credit elsewhere, as carzone can add an extra premiuim to cars. I'd be prepared to walk around garages, any chance a credit union would give you credit as they are slightly more flexible with where you go.
Only big garages is killing your choices in a way, but hey:

Car linked is nice looks I'm nice condition.
I like the the Colour combo.
I'd rather get the f spec which you won't get for your budget.

The Mazda 6 are a real nice car with the 2.2 diesel.

And not a fan of Denis Mahoney personally.

colm_mcm

Jimbob 83 wrote: »

If you are gonna go for an IS get the 2 litre D4D engined one, much much better engine and very little to go wrong with it, only available on the IS for the last few years though

The 200d is a 2.2 also.

Jimbob 83

Really ? Thats a pity as the 2 lire d4d is a much better engine

colm_mcm

Always found the 135 and 150 versions of the 2.2 to be lovely units, they were in the corolla verso and rav4 since 2006 and the avensis old model too.

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coolisin wrote: »

Pity you cant get credit elsewhere, as carzone can add an extra premiuim to cars. I'd be prepared to walk around garages, any chance a credit union would give you credit as they are slightly more flexible with where you go.
Only big garages is killing your choices in a way, but hey:

Car linked is nice looks I'm nice condition.
I like the the Colour combo.
I'd rather get the f spec which you won't get for your budget.

The Mazda 6 are a real nice car with the 2.2 diesel.

And not a fan of Denis Mahoney personally.

Can you pm me your concerns over the dealer?

YouTookMyName

The 2.2 Diesel engine is flawed. There's a design problem with the EGR Valve/Cooler that makes the engine over heat and the head gasket go ping.

I've spoken to Avensis owners in the UK that have cars on their 3rd engine. All replace by toyota at no cost, there's a 7 year extended engine warranty cover.

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YouTookMyName wrote: »

The 2.2 Diesel engine is flawed. There's a design problem with the EGR Valve/Cooler that makes the engine over heat and the head gasket go ping.

I've spoken to Avensis owners in the UK that have cars on their 3rd engine. All replace by toyota at no cost, there's a 7 year extended engine warranty cover.

Any similar tales of Lexus Irl extending the warranty on the i.s. ?

Tea 1000

Lexus are good enough for out of warranty problems, provided you have a FLSH.
Anyone who thinks an A4 is more of a drivers car than an IS doesn't know what he's talking about. The 3 series is the best handling car in that class, and actually the C Class is a match many ways. The 3 is over firm though, can be a bit too uncompromising on certain roads.
The IS has a very decent chassis. Good turn-in, excellent poise when pushing it, remains composed on undulating surfaces, and much more comfortable than the 3. It's quite heavy though and feels it. The gearing is wrong, the power delivery is poor on the diesel, but the engine is refined enough, if the gearbox isn't.
It's too thirsty too. But it is a car with a very competent chassis, which the A4 isn't. The Accord has a much better engine, but while being much better than the A4 to drive its not nearly as good as the IS.
Basically, you can do worse than one.

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Reading back on the thread I realise that some of my comments could come across as ungrateful, my apolgies that was not my intention.

Back on topic, what service items should have been done on this car by now, eg Timing, etc

Gumbo

return guide wrote: »

Reading back on the thread I realise that some of my comments could come across as ungrateful, my apolgies that was not my intention.

Back on topic, what service items should have been done on this car by now, eg Timing, etc

the bare minimum of 4 oil and oil filter changes, air filter done 2-3 times.
think the IS are chains am i right? so no worries about timing belts there?

front and rear pads, twice maybe, and a full set of discs at some stage.

brake fluid changes, coolant flushes etc

mostly consumables but its at the age where suspension parts would need looking at by now.

look for evidance that the EGR has been cleaned or budget for it, my cousins gets blocked up something terrible, his 40k is was blocked up more than my 100k 525d!

GavMan

OP, Any chance you would consider an Alfa 159. It'll be a bit of a search but some will pop up in dealers every now and then

Tea 1000

kceire wrote: »

the bare minimum of 4 oil and oil filter changes, air filter done 2-3 times.
think the IS are chains am i right? so no worries about timing belts there?

front and rear pads, twice maybe, and a full set of discs at some stage.

brake fluid changes, coolant flushes etc

mostly consumables but its at the age where suspension parts would need looking at by now.

look for evidance that the EGR has been cleaned or budget for it, my cousins gets blocked up something terrible, his 40k is was blocked up more than my 100k 525d!

Yep, because of the ill-thought out gear ratios, and also because the engine itself isn't all that happy at lower revs, most 220's tend to clog their EGR valves easily and frequently. If you get one, don't be afraid to drive it on frequently. It's really only happy over 2k rpm. Don't expect great mpg, but it'll be better than a petrol but only just.
Ring the Lexus dealer who serviced it (there's only 4 in the country!) and ask what has it done other than routine servicing, and ask how many miles they last recorded it having. They may mention that the 5th injector was replaced under a recall, that affected many of them. Better if it's already done. Other than that, your clogged EGR is the only real issue. But get to know the power delivery, cause a clogged EGR on that engine isn't as obvious as on other diesels, so tends to go unnoticed, which leads to other problems.