Broombridge Station

AstroDMG

First boards post. but 1000's read XD

Just wanted to vent my rage about Broombridge station, now that I have started working in town im using the station daily and its starting to depress me, and I only live up the road from it and it never bothered me.

But hopping off the train yesterday a bunch of little dirts started bricking the hell out of the train, nothing new I know but it enforces the fact that something needs to be done about the station.

Its borderline embarressing getting off at the station because you randomly see graffity everywhere, burned cars, bikes, and people throwing their rubbish their, people look at you thinking your some sort of scumbag because your getting off at the station

I have seen first hand the attempts to change the station, but the fact it its alot of land to cover and you can gain access from any part of the area.
Building s full fledged station would make things worse in my view because those teens would prey on it like vultures.

I dont see them investing much into the station, in fact id see them cutting their loses and just closing it down.

Such a shame

n97 mini

AstroDMG wrote: »

But hopping off the train yesterday a bunch of little dirts started bricking the hell out of the train, nothing new I know but it enforces the fact that something needs to be done about the station.

Something needs to be done about the station? You mean something needs to be done about the gougers. If they were sorted the station would be just fine.

Run_to_da_hills

You can count your self lucky that the train even stops there.

ANXIOUS

I love the recent grafftti drug dealers beware cira.

LXFlyer

The station is not the problem - it't the people causing trouble that are the problem. Maybe if the local community acted to do something about it things might improve.

Hootanany

How much is it in to Town from Broombrigde single one way.

g'em

I get the train in and out from Ashtown every morning and evening but I'm lucky in that I've never seen any of the incidents that has earned Broombridge its bad name. It's a terrible station, its impossible to man (not IE's fault, the staff get bullied out), there's no working machines that I can see.

it is, like you say OP, such a shame.

Judgement Day

The whole area around Liffey Junction/Broombridge is a long standing joke and apart from the railway it makes using the restored Royal Canal for boating a dangerous proposition. It has been this way for decades and nobody in government seems to give a fig. Instead of bricking trains the young lads involved need to be diverted into more worthwhile activities before they become hardened little thugs. I wonder how many of them have ever canoed on the canal? Will anything be done - most unlikely.

Just did a quick google on Canal boat hire on the Royal Canal and found this: http://www.royalcanalcruisers.com tell me that there's more than this - please! I can feel a new thread coming on.

Oh - I see there already is one http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=68173570 and round and round we go in circles but nothing changes. Last one out turn off the lights.

Just checked the Waterways Ireland site http://www.waterwaysireland.org/index.cfm/section/article/page/RoyalCanalBoatHi and that is it - one narrow boat for hire on the Royal Canal.

Sligo Quay

A very depressing place, I wonder if eiretrain.com had an armed guard http://eiretrains.com/Photo_Gallery/Railway%20Stations%20B/Broombridge/slides/Broombridge_20100814_0002_CC.html

dowlingm

RPA will need to deploy a battalion to safeguard the construction and operation of the line D depot - hope they don't ask G4S to supply the manpower. IE will get a benefit from the heightened local security.

mikemac1

As said above, decades old problem

Many of the kids bricking trains today had their parents doing it also when they were young

AlekSmart

mikemac1 wrote: »

As said above, decades old problem

Many of the kids bricking trains today had their parents doing it also when they were young

It's an ongoing and incredible ability we possess in this country to stand around,observe and wring our hands as hard-won,expensive,positive societal elements are reduced to smoking piles of rubble by an ever increasing collection of well-known savages of all ages.

As Mikemac1 points out,Broombridge is a decades old situation,facilitated,tolerated and even encouraged by generations of tolerance for "hi-spirits and hard-men".

It's all around us,part of what and who we are.

Given enough time,the Luas Red Line City-West extension may well tender out it's anti-social behaviour business to the Cabrarians.

Meanwhile,IE and it's genuine customers will faff around and hope that none of them are killed by these activities....and when that happens,these ongoing threads will,I believe,point to a charge of MURDER,rather than criminal damage,assault or some far lesser one which would be more PC.

n97 mini

There's also an issue of policing, or lack of. I have never once seen gardaí at Broombridge. One gets the impression they avoid it.

Tazz T

Isn't it being replaced with one closer to Pelletstown/Royal Canal?

CIE

lxflyer wrote: »

The station is not the problem - it't the people causing trouble that are the problem. Maybe if the local community acted to do something about it things might improve.

So the Gardaí are waiting for the "local community" to do their job for them? Or does this mean vigilantism?

Dravokivich

n97 mini wrote: »

There's also an issue of policing, or lack of. I have never once seen gardaí at Broombridge. One gets the impression they avoid it.

They cn't be there 24/7 because that's waht'll be needed. The station should be closed out, all it is are 2 platforms and the scumbags messing about in that area hae almost burnt them down.

Judgement Day

Dravokivich wrote: »

They cn't be there 24/7 because that's waht'll be needed. The station should be closed out, all it is are 2 platforms and the scumbags messing about in that area hae almost burnt them down.

Closing the station would only transfer the problem back to its original location - the old marshalling yards at Liffey Junction - and the stoning of trains and other anti-social behaviour would continue. A long term solution needs to be found, and this would include greater policing and the development of other things for disaffected youths to get involved in. A scumbag isn't born a scumbag they evolve into one due their environment.

foggy_lad

Judgement Day wrote: »

Closing the station would only transfer the problem back to its original location - the old marshalling yards at Liffey Junction - and the stoning of trains and other anti-social behaviour would continue. A long term solution needs to be found, and this would include greater policing and the development of other things for disaffected youths to get involved in. A scumbag isn't born a scumbag they evolve into one due their environment.

Nonsense! There are thousands of similar young people in and from the same areas who grew up with less yet they don't throw stones at trains!

Reintroduce corporal punishment for anti-social behaviour and it will stop very quickly once the punishments start!

n97 mini

Dravokivich wrote: »

They cn't be there 24/7 because that's waht'll be needed. The station should be closed out, all it is are 2 platforms and the scumbags messing about in that area hae almost burnt them down.

I've been passing through for 16 years and have never seen them there.

n97 mini

foggy_lad wrote: »

Reintroduce corporal punishment for anti-social behaviour and it will stop very quickly once the punishments start!

We do apparently have ASBOs here, but I'm not aware of them being used.

EDIT: Seven ASBOs issued in five years.
http://www.thejournal.ie/asbos-ireland-asbo-criminal-justice-alan-shatter-485523-Jun2012/

LXFlyer

CIE wrote: »

So the Gardaí are waiting for the "local community" to do their job for them? Or does this mean vigilantism?

Why am I not surprised that you as always jump in like a bull in a china shop.

I was referring to parents taking responsibility for their children and putting a stop to this sort of behaviour.

ANXIOUS

Hootanany wrote: »

How much is it in to Town from Broombrigde single one way.

€1.90

Judgement Day

foggy_lad wrote: »

Nonsense! There are thousands of similar young people in and from the same areas who grew up with less yet they don't throw stones at trains!

Reintroduce corporal punishment for anti-social behaviour and it will stop very quickly once the punishments start!

Usual simplistic, knee-jerk response that we know and love you for foggy but if urban slums are allowed to develop the results are inevitable.

horse7

Its the local kids of cabra west and finglas that are doing the damage,if the community dont address the problem,well the train should not stop there.

n97 mini

horse7 wrote: »

Its the local kids of cabra west and finglas that are doing the damage,if the community dont address the problem,well the train should not stop there.

Problem is the ones damaging the station are not the ones using the station. You'd punish the wrong people by removing the service.

Although that might generate enough public outcry to focus people's minds on the problem.

CIE

lxflyer wrote: »

I was referring to parents taking responsibility for their children and putting a stop to this sort of behaviour.

While I agree whole-heartedly with that sentiment, fact is Ireland is currently too socialistic to focus on proper families where that sort of stuff would happen, and the EU only compounds the socialistic bent. Besides, you said "local community", which does not automatically imply families and does imply vigilantism. AFAICS (and I've observed this over the years too), that part of Cabra (as well as many others in Dublin and other cities) has been undergoing a vicious cycle with the broken-down families, and only strong moral leadership from the national government (not Brussels!) will fix the situation.

lxflyer wrote: »

Why am I not surprised that you as always jump in like a bull in a china shop

I was not getting personal with you. Why are you letting a message board get to you? You articulated yourself quite well in this post after all.

col.in.Cr

Its like arriving in what looks like a war zone,must be a nightmare trying to maintain that place.

Heroditas

Isn't the BXD line supposed to link up with Broombridge Station?
Wouldn't that rule out the possibility of it being closed but also mean that as an important junction, it would be guarded/controlled a bit better?

CIE

Anyone have ridership figures for Broombridge? That would ultimately determine the station's fate after all.

jdooley28

It's fine the mornings going into work, I assume the troublemakers are still in bed, when I come back in the evenings it always just has an a bad atmosphere around there.. Thankfully dont use it anymore in favour of the bus

Johnnio13

IRail talked about this recently after a girls phone was robbed when the doors opened and a scumbag grabbed it. They have spent a fortune trying to clean up the station only for it to be vandalised, burnt out and fixtures robbed. So they have kinda washed there hands of it. It's up to the parents to sort the little thugs out but that is never gonna happen.
I cycle the canal tow path and I meet the same guys for the last 7 years drinking under the bridges and at the security gates with kids.that is what the kids are going to become.

mickydoomsux

The Gardai should sit on the place for a few weeks and absolutely hammer the ****e out of any gougers that cause trouble. It's all these idiots understand.

Make it a place that these types are afraid to so much as think about frequenting. We need batons, not social workers.

Hootanany

ANXIOUS wrote: »

€1.90

Far to expensive drop the price & more people will use it.

col.in.Cr

mickydoomsux wrote: »

The Gardai should sit on the place for a few weeks and absolutely hammer the ****e out of any gougers that cause trouble. It's all these idiots understand.

Make it a place that these types are afraid to so much as think about frequenting. We need batons, not social workers.

More education for kids and some of what your suggesting for the older ones too

AlekSmart

col.in.Cr wrote: »

More education for kids and some of what your suggesting for the older ones too

On the surface,this is patently true.

However,as we progress theough Century21 it has to be recognised that universal access to basic education in Ireland has been with us for at least 50 years.

We have never had as much or as easy access to education,yet if anything,it is leading to a somewhat lower base level of intelligence than when we relied on the hedge school.

There is something far deeper at the root of this,and I fear the second suggestion may well prove the more effective solution.

thomasj

AlekSmart wrote: »

col.in.Cr wrote: »

More education for kids and some of what your suggesting for the older ones too

On the surface,this is patently true.

However,as we progress theough Century21 it has to be recognised that universal access to basic education in Ireland has been with us for at least 50 years.

We have never had as much or as easy access to education,yet if anything,it is leading to a somewhat lower base level of intelligence than when we relied on the hedge school.

There is something far deeper at the root of this,and I fear the second suggestion may well prove the more effective solution.

The sad fact is the train would not be the most popular form of transport for the local community in cabra.

Now if the local terrors were to start bricking the 120 or 122 and dublin bus threatened to pull the buses out of cabra, there would be uproar, and the gardai would be forced to take action!

Dont get me wrong, there would be local anger allright if irish rail were to close broombridge but nowhere near the sort of reaction to the bus service being removed. Without a doubt, if and when irish rail decide to relocate the station to pellotstown, it wont get the same level of reaction as if irish rail were to move coolmine.

Its a sad state of affairs. Only a few weeks back i was watching a ms brownes boys dvd (it was on in the room at the time, i just decided to watch it!) and one of the svenes was at broombridge station. The station looked in respectible condition.

With dit's plans to build a major sports facility the other side of the humpback bridge we might see some action with the area, i wouldnt hold my breath though!

foggy_lad

I can remember the Sligo trains being stoned around this area 20-25 years ago, the problem with these young people is a lack of discipline in their home lives, most are missing a male role model who would traditionally be the one to keep them under control by threat or force. They grow up with absolutely no respect for people or property and they all have a sense of entitlement from living on welfare all their lives.

If they were forced to work for their dole or if their dole was stopped on instruction of a local Gardai superintendant they would not be as quick to damage property as their actions would have reprocussions for them and their families.

Judgement Day

A lot of the anti-social behaviour is caused by kids well below dole receiving age. As you say the problems in that area have been going on for decades but, being Ireland, nothing will be done about it. It's only a miracle that no rail passenger has been killed down the years.

foggy_lad

Judgement Day wrote: »

A lot of the anti-social behaviour is caused by kids well below dole receiving age. As you say the problems in that area have been going on for decades but, being Ireland, nothing will be done about it. It's only a miracle that no rail passenger has been killed down the years.

They dont have functional parents! what I mean is that their mostly single parent family units are not providing the discipline they require and while years ago this would have been provided by the local guard or teachers or clergy and christian brothers etc this is no longer the case.

Years ago these tearaways would have been rounded up and shipped off to artane to be thought to read write and a lot more but sadly the discipline aspect of that has now gone.

Hilly Bill

Judgement Day wrote: »

A lot of the anti-social behaviour is caused by kids well below dole receiving age. As you say the problems in that area have been going on for decades but, being Ireland, nothing will be done about it. It's only a miracle that no rail passenger has been killed down the years.

Its caused by all age groups including adults.

Youths from Laurel Lodge in Castleknock have caused vandalism in that station (Castleknock ) in the past so its down to the attitude of the kids themselves regardless of how well brought up they were.
Broombridge needs to be moved like Cherry Orchard to solve part of the problem.

Hilly Bill

foggy_lad wrote: »

They dont have functional parents! what I mean is that their mostly single parent family units are not providing the discipline they require and while years ago this would have been provided by the local guard or teachers or clergy and christian brothers etc this is no longer the case.

Years ago these tearaways would have been rounded up and shipped off to artane to be thought to read write and a lot more but sadly the discipline aspect of that has now gone.

Truth is Foggy, you havent a clue what their family situation is like and you cant just assume that their upbringing has anything to do with their behaviour or that just because they may come from a single parent family they are bad .
There are good and bad in all areas and from all family situations.

Pacing Mule

Not a new problem at all.

I took a brick to the face - came in through an open window on the door of the train just before broombridge station. Was hospitalised, needed stitches and had my nose adjusted in the process. This was approx 20 years ago.

Absolutely **** all was done then and **** all is being done now.

Sligo Quay

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Its caused by all age groups including adults.

Youths from Laurel Lodge in Castleknock have caused vandalism in that station (Castleknock )

Absolutely, some would lead us to believe its only a Finglas, Cabra or Ballyfermot problem, you get gurriers in Castleknock, Newbridge and even a God fearing place like Howth, heavens above, what is the world coming to, in a place like Howth and stealing mackerel, it would make the gurriers in Broombridge looking like angels, God almighty, shocking:eek:

n97 mini

Hilly Bill wrote: »

its down to the attitude of the kids themselves regardless of how well brought up they were.

By definition well brought up kids don't vandalise things.

If kids from Laurel Lodge are vandalising Castleknock Station, their parents didn't do a good job in teaching them to respect others, know right from wrong, not to be easily led, etc.

Sponge Bob

I did source some fit for purpose rolling stock when a possible extension of Luas BXD was suggested to Finglas Via Broombridge over in the infrastructure forum.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71801431&postcount=15

I commend the colour scheme...now!

col.in.Cr

I just saw this effort to highlight the station


http://comeheretome.wordpress.com/2012/01/03/broombridge-a-station-like-no-other/

thomasj

taken from RUI forum
http://www.railusers.ie/forum/showpost.php?p=68734&postcount=1

We've all had or heard broombridge stories, whether it be Donkeys on the platform, brickings of the train, or my own recent favorite - the burning moped that was left on the line before Christmas last.

But last Friday must be the most dangerous thing I've seen there before.

Just before you come into the station heading towards Maynooth, you pass over the canal on a bridge. In the middle of the bridge dividing the two lines is a raised steel structure. Under the green arrow in the link.
http://maps.google.ie/maps?q=53.3712...num=1&t=h&z=19


To my horror I witnessed a young fle standing on this as the train passed by - he was no more than 18 inches from the train.

The driver had let out a long sound of the horn just before, but I would imagine he saw him too late.
His mates were sitting at the canal side nearby stoning the train.

Absolute madness, and very scary for the driver too.

Hilly Bill

n97 mini wrote: »

By definition well brought up kids don't vandalise things.

If kids from Laurel Lodge are vandalising Castleknock Station, their parents didn't do a good job in teaching them to respect others, know right from wrong, not to be easily led, etc.

You would think that but its not always the case. Its mainly youths that should know better that act the maggot regardless of what their parents are like or from what area they live. You get kids from dysfunctional families growing up to be respectful and work hard and then you get kids from well to do families , the best education and end up showing no respect and cause trouble on saturday nights in town.

thebiglad

mikemac1 wrote: »

As said above, decades old problem

Many of the kids bricking trains today had their parents doing it also when they were young

Their parents probably are still young:p

Grolschevik

Bearing this thread in mind, I wonder how the just-announced Luas extension to Broombridge will fare...?