Single Farm Payment 2012

Grecco

Is there going to be a 50% payout soon? I heard a bit on the radio but wasn't sure

whelan1

Grecco wrote: »

Is there going to be a 50% payout soon? I heard a bit on the radio but wasn't sure

the usual date 16 october , big hoo ha about nothing

rancher

whelan1 wrote: »

the usual date 16 october , big hoo ha about nothing

Depends on your situation, a lot of drystock farmers need an early payment, stock in, flooded land,etc.

whelan1

rancher wrote: »

Depends on your situation, a lot of drystock farmers need an early payment, stock in, flooded land,etc.

what i mean is for the last few years its been 16 october... its not being paid any earlier this year

Viewtodiefor

Grecco wrote: »

Is there going to be a 50% payout soon? I heard a bit on the radio but wasn't sure

I just think this is a bit of a laugh to be honest. I am now farming fulltime the last few years having returned home as auld lad was getting on, previously worked and part owned other businesses, my point is what other business has this type of supports afforded to them if they are going through a rough period? None!!
Farmers coming on the airwaves crying and looking for advances in handouts are not doing themselves any favors in my view.
Ps I get a Sfp too but I could live without it and plan my business to survive without it.
Rant over

Tipp Man

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

I just think this is a bit of a laugh to be honest. I am now farming fulltime the last few years having returned home as auld lad was getting on, previously worked and part owned other businesses, my point is what other business has this type of supports afforded to them if they are going through a rough period? None!!
Farmers coming on the airwaves crying and looking for advances in handouts are not doing themselves any favors in my view.
Ps I get a Sfp too but I could live without it and plan my business to survive without it.
Rant over

Very few other businesses are as weather dependant as farmers
And it is not just Irish farmers - I think 6 countries including France have applied for early payment due to bad weather

I don't need it personally but the weather this year has cost us in the tens of thousands from profit - we have a good cashflow as we have dairy but some of the cattle only fellas will have forked out a lot in feed and not an animal sold - or else sold animals before they were ready so vastly reduced income

It makes no difference to me but i can appreciate that some will need it

Grecco

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

I just think this is a bit of a laugh to be honest. I am now farming fulltime the last few years having returned home as auld lad was getting on, previously worked and part owned other businesses, my point is what other business has this type of supports afforded to them if they are going through a rough period? None!!

Rant over

What about health and Education are they not 100% provided and paid for by the state. Why not have a rant at those head teachers and Doctors on 100k+ if that's the case.
What about the corporation tax, I don`t see any farmers on that.

Ah jezz I only wanted to know if we were going to get paid early

BeeDI

Tipp Man wrote: »

Very few other businesses are as weather dependant as farmers

To be fair, those businesses depending on summer tourism to make their few bucks, are very dependent on the weather.
They get an awful hammering in this sheet weather, and don't get one single cent by way of help.
Then the seafront places in Clare, had the media focus on beach closures from ecoli in the water. Apparently from farm run off due to bad weather:eek:

Viewtodiefor

Grecco wrote: »

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

I just think this is a bit of a laugh to be honest. I am now farming fulltime the last few years having returned home as auld lad was getting on, previously worked and part owned other businesses, my point is what other business has this type of supports afforded to them if they are going through a rough period? None!!

Rant over

What about health and Education are they not 100% provided and paid for by the state. Why not have a rant at those head teachers and Doctors on 100k+ if that's the case.
What about the corporation tax, I don`t see any farmers on that.

Ah jezz I only wanted to know if we were going to get paid early

Ah I was just throwing it out there to see what sort of a reaction I would get! To be honest i totally agree that some supports are needed as we are not paid enough by the market prices to support profitable sustainainable agriculture, however some guys are creaming it with the high SPF they have and I think this needs a serious look at, which probably will never happen as these are the guys with the clout, on an aside I think any guy looking to get quota from the new entrants scheme should not be allowed to have more than 20k SPF, as there are some guys coming into it with huge payments from suckling tillage etc, which I believe is unfair to the guys in it all along.

Tipp Man

BeeDI wrote: »

To be fair, those businesses depending on summer tourism to make their few bucks, are very dependent on the weather.
They get an awful hammering in this sheet weather, and don't get one single cent by way of help.
Then the seafront places in Clare, had the media focus on beach closures from ecoli in the water. Apparently from farm run off due to bad weather:eek:

I thought that was s##t from council sewage plants or am i wrong?

BeeDI

Tipp Man wrote: »

I thought that was s##t from council sewage plants or am i wrong?

I thought so too, but according to this weeks Clare Champion, council still isist it was run off from thr land. But then again ............... that was council speak:(

vanderbadger

BeeDI wrote: »

I thought so too, but according to this weeks Clare Champion, council still isist it was run off from thr land. But then again ............... that was council speak:(

a reliable source if ever there was one..... not

whelan1

have always said the only reason we get the advancement in october is so we can pay our tax bills

bob charles

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

I just think this is a bit of a laugh to be honest. I am now farming fulltime the last few years having returned home as auld lad was getting on, previously worked and part owned other businesses, my point is what other business has this type of supports afforded to them if they are going through a rough period? None!!
Farmers coming on the airwaves crying and looking for advances in handouts are not doing themselves any favors in my view.
Ps I get a Sfp too but I could live without it and plan my business to survive without it.
Rant over

Im not a fan of SFP but you ask what other business gets them, a huge amount of companies -
All the airline companies
bus,rail
Private health insures
most IDA companies / actually nearly every start up company or new multinational in town gets grants one way or another

Figerty

bob charles wrote: »

Im not a fan of SFP but you ask what other business gets them, a huge amount of companies -
All the airline companies
bus,rail
Private health insures
most IDA companies / actually nearly every start up company or new multinational in town gets grants one way or another

And all the Leader funding is creamed off the SFP!

Viewtodiefor

bob charles wrote: »

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

I just think this is a bit of a laugh to be honest. I am now farming fulltime the last few years having returned home as auld lad was getting on, previously worked and part owned other businesses, my point is what other business has this type of supports afforded to them if they are going through a rough period? None!!
Farmers coming on the airwaves crying and looking for advances in handouts are not doing themselves any favors in my view.
Ps I get a Sfp too but I could live without it and plan my business to survive without it.
Rant over

Im not a fan of SFP but you ask what other business gets them, a huge amount of companies -
All the airline companies
bus,rail
Private health insures
most IDA companies / actually nearly every start up company or new multinational in town gets grants one way or another

Yes you are right Bob every business gets some support, however the SFp is pretty much a guaranteed income year on year, that's what I was kinda getting at.

johngalway

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

I think any guy looking to get quota from the new entrants scheme should not be allowed to have more than 20k SPF, as there are some guys coming into it with huge payments from suckling tillage etc, which I believe is unfair to the guys in it all along.

Just wondering why new entrants? Why not a flat top rate of 20k for anyone whether already established or new?

I don't worry about SFP, mine wouldn't even count as "walking around money" :rolleyes:

rancher

johngalway wrote: »

Just wondering why new entrants? Why not a flat top rate of 20k for anyone whether already established or new?

I don't worry about SFP, mine wouldn't even count as "walking around money" :rolleyes:

20k SFP wouldn't be a big drystock farm, surely entrants to dairying should have the land base to milk at least 100 cows looking into the future, I can't see any less than that surviving, A farmer with 100k SFP has a great track record to manage a dairy farm

johngalway

I know €20k wouldn't be a big farm, I remember looking at a few names and numbers when that information used to be publicly available. My point was I think it would be unfair to new entrants to lower the ceiling on them while everyone else already farming can, perhaps not literally, sit back and enjoy their higher SFP cheque for no other reason than they're already farming. I think it would create further division which helps no one.

Grecco

I`d go one further and cap the Payment at 20k then bias the share out to smaller productive farms. I say productive because there's a load of small farms around me that operate a skeleton setup with just enough stock to draw the SFP. On the other hand some of the smaller farms that are being farmed properly (and not from the sofa) are the most productive farms per acre out there.

rancher

johngalway wrote: »

I know €20k wouldn't be a big farm, I remember looking at a few names and numbers when that information used to be publicly available. My point was I think it would be unfair to new entrants to lower the ceiling on them while everyone else already farming can, perhaps not literally, sit back and enjoy their higher SFP cheque for no other reason than they're already farming. I think it would create further division which helps no one.

Definitely the SFP will have to be levelled out, Its lunacy that a farmer with 200 euro/ ha has to compete for stock in a sales against a farmer with 800euro/ha SFP.

brian_t

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

Yes you are right Bob every business gets some support, however the SFp is pretty much a guaranteed income year on year, that's what I was kinda getting at.

I agree that new entrants shouldn't have their SFP capped but as for getting it at all I'm quite happy to receive it for as long as some of our competitors get it too.

The United States currently pays around $20 billion per year to farmers in direct subsidies as "farm income stabilization".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_subsidy#United_States

bob charles

again I have to stress I'm not in favor of any SFP but people seem to have serious issues with bigger claimers, even the massive payments over say 250k. The SFP is a grant to local Ireland, very little farmers that I know put the sep into their pocket but infact use the money fairly localish so it benefits rural Ireland. Even take a couple of the massive claimants, they run big operations employing many local workers, using huge amounts of say grain produced in the rural economy.

mike984

has any one received single farm payment yet as it was due today ?

whelan1

mike984 wrote: »

has any one received single farm payment yet as it was due today ?

today is the earliest date it can be paid "from" has to be processed through banks , will have it tomorrow or thursday

mike984

whelan1 wrote: »

today is the earliest date it can be paid "from" has to be processed through banks , will have it tomorrow or thursday

a i was thinking that but wasnt sure, thanks for that ..

maxxuumman

Just got text from DAFF to say that 50% SFP was lodged to be cleared in the next few days.

The text service is a very good idea. Dare I say, good work from the DAFF.

foxfield21

Got same text this evening and just checked bank a/c and it's been transferred... Happy Days!

simx

foxfield21 wrote: »

Got same text this evening and just checked bank a/c and it's been transferred... Happy Days!

what bank are you with fox?

whelan1

with ulster bank , money is in

Min

Got mine - BoI.

foxfield21

simx wrote: »

what bank are you with fox?

PTSB..

simx

Min wrote: »

Got mine - BoI.

didnt get mine

brian_t

Might as well give the AIB a mention too.

Mine lodged today.

simx

just got a phonecall,wont be getting it for another week:(

Gilally

why?
Were PTSB no sign yet but I got a text saying it had been issued.

Gilally

PTSB is in!