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Calculating silage requirement

  • 26-07-2012 8:33pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭


    Thought this might be of interest to people who are calculating the silage that they require.

    Suckler Cows require 13kg of dry matter feed per day.

    Weinlings (300kg) require 7kg of dry matter feed per day.

    Here's an example.

    A farmer with 20 suckler cows.
    5 month winter = 150 days.
    Each cow will require 1950kg dry matter feed for the winter.
    20 cows will need 39000kg of dry matter feed for the 5 months.

    Now, how much dry matter is in a bale:
    Well the answer is that it will vairy from farmer to farmer - on how they made their bales.

    An example:

    A bale of silage which was cut with a conditioner mower at 1pm and baled the next day at 1pm with no rain could have a DM of 30%. The bale weighs 700kg (approx).

    Therefore, in that bale there would be 210kg of dry matter.
    Therefore you would need approximately 185 of these bales to feed 20 cows for 5 months.

    A further example:

    An unwilted bale - cut with a conditioner mower, damp when cutting and baled within 2 hours of cutting.
    Dry matter could be 20%.

    Bale weighs 800kg and has 160kg of dry matter in it.

    You would need (39000 / 160) approximately 244 bales for the 5 month winter.

    Example 3

    Cut with a disc mower on day 1, tedded day 2, rowed on day 3. Dry weather.
    3/4 in hay or haylege.
    DM of 70%. (Hay has a DM of 85% to 90%
    Bale weight 500kg

    DM per bale 350kg.

    111 bales needed for the 20 cows.


    You can't really tell if you have enough silage by just counting the bales. You could supplement silage. Meal or straw can be supplimented as DM - both would have a DM of 95% to 98%.


    So the question is, how are you fixed for silage?

    Hope this helps some people and that you are able to understand how the figures are worked out.

    See, I got a lot from this week's discussion group :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Atilathehun


    reilig wrote: »
    Thought this might be of interest to people who are calculating the silage that they require.

    Suckler Cows require 13kg of dry matter feed per day.

    Weinlings (300kg) require 7kg of dry matter feed per day.

    Here's an example.

    A farmer with 20 suckler cows.
    5 month winter = 150 days.
    Each cow will require 1950kg dry matter feed for the winter.
    20 cows will need 39000kg of dry matter feed for the 5 months.

    Now, how much dry matter is in a bale:
    Well the answer is that it will vairy from farmer to farmer - on how they made their bales.

    An example:

    A bale of silage which was cut with a conditioner mower at 1pm and baled the next day at 1pm with no rain could have a DM of 30%. The bale weighs 700kg (approx).

    Therefore, in that bale there would be 210kg of dry matter.
    Therefore you would need approximately 185 of these bales to feed 20 cows for 5 months.

    A further example:

    An unwilted bale - cut with a conditioner mower, damp when cutting and baled within 2 hours of cutting.
    Dry matter could be 20%.

    Bale weighs 800kg and has 160kg of dry matter in it.

    You would need (39000 / 160) approximately 244 bales for the 5 month winter.

    Example 3

    Cut with a disc mower on day 1, tedded day 2, rowed on day 3. Dry weather.
    3/4 in hay or haylege.
    DM of 70%. (Hay has a DM of 85% to 90%
    Bale weight 500kg

    DM per bale 350kg.

    111 bales needed for the 20 cows.


    You can't really tell if you have enough silage by just counting the bales. You could supplement silage. Meal or straw can be supplimented as DM - both would have a DM of 95% to 98%.


    So the question is, how are you fixed for silage?

    Hope this helps some people and that you are able to understand how the figures are worked out.

    See, I got a lot from this week's discussion group :D


    Well timed post and good info. I was doing my maths just this evening .

    Question. Are you assuming in your calculations that the bales in question are chopped?

    I have a mix of four foot and five foot bales all chopped. Some quite wet when baled some reasonably well wilted and drying when baled. I'm getting myself confused in doing my sums!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    Well timed post and good info. I was doing my maths just this evening .

    Question. Are you assuming in your calculations that the bales in question are chopped?

    I have a mix of four foot and five foot bales all chopped. Some quite wet when baled some reasonably well wilted and drying when baled. I'm getting myself confused in doing my sums!!

    Agree with you on rellig's post being quite timely as I've mine on the ground to be baled and wrapped tomorrow!

    I'm open to correction on this but I dont think being chopped will affect the DM%, however it should result in a denser and therefore heavier bale and therefore you'll have a higher kg of DM in a chopped bale.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    It goes by weight of bale and moisture content as opposed to bale size.
    reilig wrote: »
    Thought this might be of interest to people who are calculating the silage that they require.

    Suckler Cows require 13kg of dry matter feed per day.

    Weinlings (300kg) require 7kg of dry matter feed per day.

    Here's an example.

    A farmer with 20 suckler cows.
    5 month winter = 150 days.
    Each cow will require 1950kg dry matter feed for the winter.
    20 cows will need 39000kg of dry matter feed for the 5 months.

    Now, how much dry matter is in a bale:
    Well the answer is that it will vairy from farmer to farmer - on how they made their bales.

    An example:

    A bale of silage which was cut with a conditioner mower at 1pm and baled the next day at 1pm with no rain could have a DM of 30%. The bale weighs 700kg (approx).

    Therefore, in that bale there would be 210kg of dry matter.
    Therefore you would need approximately 185 of these bales to feed 20 cows for 5 months.

    A further example:

    An unwilted bale - cut with a conditioner mower, damp when cutting and baled within 2 hours of cutting.
    Dry matter could be 20%.

    Bale weighs 800kg and has 160kg of dry matter in it.

    You would need (39000 / 160) approximately 244 bales for the 5 month winter.

    Example 3

    Cut with a disc mower on day 1, tedded day 2, rowed on day 3. Dry weather.
    3/4 in hay or haylege.
    DM of 70%. (Hay has a DM of 85% to 90%
    Bale weight 500kg

    DM per bale 350kg.

    111 bales needed for the 20 cows.


    You can't really tell if you have enough silage by just counting the bales. You could supplement silage. Meal or straw can be supplimented as DM - both would have a DM of 95% to 98%.


    So the question is, how are you fixed for silage?

    Hope this helps some people and that you are able to understand how the figures are worked out.

    See, I got a lot from this week's discussion group :D


    Well timed post and good info. I was doing my maths just this evening .

    Question. Are you assuming in your calculations that the bales in question are chopped?

    I have a mix of four foot and five foot bales all chopped. Some quite wet when baled some reasonably well wilted and drying when baled. I'm getting myself confused in doing my sums!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭Tipp Man


    Reilig how much would you alter the requirement by for an Autumn calved cow as opposed to a Spring calved?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    reilig wrote: »
    Thought this might be of interest to people who are calculating the silage that they require.

    Suckler Cows require 13kg of dry matter feed per day.

    Weinlings (300kg) require 7kg of dry matter feed per day.

    Here's an example.

    A farmer with 20 suckler cows.
    5 month winter = 150 days.
    Each cow will require 1950kg dry matter feed for the winter.
    20 cows will need 39000kg of dry matter feed for the 5 months.

    Now, how much dry matter is in a bale:
    Well the answer is that it will vairy from farmer to farmer - on how they made their bales.

    An example:

    A bale of silage which was cut with a conditioner mower at 1pm and baled the next day at 1pm with no rain could have a DM of 30%. The bale weighs 700kg (approx).

    Therefore, in that bale there would be 210kg of dry matter.
    Therefore you would need approximately 185 of these bales to feed 20 cows for 5 months.

    A further example:

    An unwilted bale - cut with a conditioner mower, damp when cutting and baled within 2 hours of cutting.
    Dry matter could be 20%.

    Bale weighs 800kg and has 160kg of dry matter in it.

    You would need (39000 / 160) approximately 244 bales for the 5 month winter.

    Example 3

    Cut with a disc mower on day 1, tedded day 2, rowed on day 3. Dry weather.
    3/4 in hay or haylege.
    DM of 70%. (Hay has a DM of 85% to 90%
    Bale weight 500kg

    DM per bale 350kg.

    111 bales needed for the 20 cows.


    You can't really tell if you have enough silage by just counting the bales. You could supplement silage. Meal or straw can be supplimented as DM - both would have a DM of 95% to 98%.


    So the question is, how are you fixed for silage?

    Hope this helps some people and that you are able to understand how the figures are worked out.

    See, I got a lot from this week's discussion group :D

    We covered the exact same topic in our discussion group this week !! I found it helpful although we were told 17kg not 13kg but it's great info if accurate. I am very short based on my sums!


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,753 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    RobinBanks wrote: »
    We covered the exact same topic in our discussion group this week !! I found it helpful although we were told 17kg not 13kg but it's great info if accurate. I am very short based on my sums!
    I suppose it depends how heavy the cow is, I think the 13kg/day is based on 2.7% of her LW? Open to correction on this though if anyone knows more.

    I think it is going to be vital to dry off cows in good condition this autumn, at least C.S. 3, because nobody is going to have fantastic silage and if meal is >340e ton 1kg/day is all they are going to get.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭BeeDI


    blue5000 wrote: »
    I suppose it depends how heavy the cow is, I think the 13kg/day is based on 2.7% of her LW? Open to correction on this though if anyone knows more.

    I think it is going to be vital to dry off cows in good condition this autumn, at least C.S. 3, because nobody is going to have fantastic silage and if meal is >340e ton 1kg/day is all they are going to get.

    I'd say the mineral bucket will want to be at their heads fairly early once they go inside this year. Most of my silage was baled wringing wet, I bet quality suffered big time.
    Took a chance yestereday and inquired at my supplier, about an off season price for eight buckets. Got them €4 a bucket cheaper than I paid in January last.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    Tipp Man wrote: »
    Reilig how much would you alter the requirement by for an Autumn calved cow as opposed to a Spring calved?

    17 - 19kg per cow for an autumn calver is the figure that the adviser gave us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭Charlie Charolais


    is baled silage in the 1st eg really only 30DMD - seems really low? will it increase with preservation?

    has/does anyone feed hay for the winter;
    based on 30DMD @ €20bale, 90DMD hay @ anything less than €60/bale is a winner?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭reilig


    is baled silage in the 1st eg really only 30DMD - seems really low? will it increase with preservation?

    has/does anyone feed hay for the winter;
    based on 30DMD @ €20bale, 90DMD hay @ anything less than €60/bale is a winner?

    DMD = digestable dry matter or basically silage quality.

    DM = Dry matter - The more water in the bale, the lower DM% it is. eg. A bale could be cut in mid may, but baled wet. It could have a high DMD though.

    Hay has a lower quality than silage (some)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    blue5000 wrote: »

    I think it is going to be vital to dry off cows in good condition this autumn, at least C.S. 3, because nobody is going to have fantastic silage and if meal is >340e ton 1kg/day is all they are going to get.
    Good point blue, I hadn't thought that far ahead. And in order to achieve it you need to be planning for it now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭1chippy


    we mainly do pit. worked off the calculations givin in the journal last week and should have ample silage. went in damnp though so we have closed off another seven acres for bales just to be on the safe side. luckily with the extra ground which hasnt been fully stocked we have enough grass to allow for it. i was just thinking today with the amount of bad silage and the amount that hasnt been lifted how will the better farms fair out on profit buy in next year given the fact weights are back, meal suplementation will be higher and if they have to buy in feed will they be pulled back to similar levels as lads understocked?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭razor8


    bump


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,123 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Ah, the good old days of Reilig. Always enjoyed his posts. Is he still around wearing a different cap?:rolleyes:


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