Sky Talk and Broadband Coming This year

keith_d99

Deal with BT Ireland done

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Salvation

Going to be rebranded DSL just another provider dont think it will make a great difference speed wise maybe money wise it will.

PogMoThoin

Salvation wrote: »

Going to be rebranded DSL just another provider dont think it will make a great difference speed wise maybe money wise it will.

Dunno, Vodafone already resell Eircom bitstream at a loss, cheaper than the buy it. They use it as a way to try to get you to move your mobile phone to them.

bk

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Dunno, Vodafone already resell Eircom bitstream at a loss, cheaper than the buy it. They use it as a way to try to get you to move your mobile phone to them.

Sky is likely to do the same to compete with UPC and get people to move to Sky TV and it's fat margins.

Sky could potentially offer very low prices to do this. It will put pressure on Eircom and will keep UPC on their toes.

Good news anyway.

Cabaal

Its good news but looking at comments on places like thejournal.ie people seem to think that Sky will rescue them from Three's Mobile Broadband offering, the sad thing is this won't be happening.

All in all its competition and thats good news, just shame Sky won't have a decent llu network to use in Ireland

bealtine

Cabaal wrote: »

think that Sky will rescue them from Three's Mobile Broadband offering, the sad thing is this won't be happening.

All in all its competition and thats good news, just shame Sky won't have a decent llu network to use in Ireland

But everybody selling black cars with no choice of colour (aka bitstream) is hardly real competition, pretend competition maybe. Currently BT are limited to approximately 60 exchanges so the LLU coverage footprint is fairly limited all the rest is just reselling the eircom offering.

jarvis

I wonder if they will be able to offer a similar on demand sevice with it, as they are at a disadvantage competing against UPC in terms of on demand tv. But I thought they would need fibre power to offer on demand.

starviewadams

Doubt Eircom's creaking infrastructure would be able to cope with thousands of Sky TV customers streaming on demand content,maybe in the 60 BT LLU exchanges they'll offer it.

_Kaiser_

starviewadams wrote: »

Doubt Eircom's creaking infrastructure would be able to cope with thousands of Sky TV customers streaming on demand content,maybe in the 60 BT LLU exchanges they'll offer it.

I now have UPC since I moved and previously had Sky for years.

Their broadband offering is superb, but the only thing I've watched "on demand" with UPC was the first season of Ice Road Truckers and aside from the limited selection and overly high premium for movies, the interface/responsiveness of the system wasn't great...

But besides that (could be teething problems as it IS a new offering after all), it doesn't matter if you have the best delivery system in the world if you don't have the content to match and I'd imagine THAT is where Sky will win seeing as they have the rights to almost everything these days.

What will hold them back though is the eircom infrastructure so really I actually expect not much to change in the medium term.

Headshot

You can put lipstick On a pig, but it's still a pig. Sky will just have the same infrastructure which is crap and dress it up with package deals.

I asked this in another forum but maybe someone can answer it here better? Could sky not have bought Eircom? Then they could really challenge UPC

PogMoThoin

Headshot wrote: »

You can put lipstick On a pig, but it's still a pig. Sky will just have the same infrastructure which is crap and dress it up with package deals.

I asked this in another forum but maybe someone can answer it here better? Could sky not have bought Eircom? Then they could really challenge UPC

There was no point buying Eircom until the debt is gone

Headshot

PogMoThoin wrote: »

There was no point buying Eircom until the debt is gone

So never then ?

Belfunk

Even if they bundle in free bb with my sky tv package i'd still pay for UPC bb, no way am i going back to dsl.

keith_d99

Belfunk wrote: »

Even if they bundle in free bb with my sky tv package i'd still pay for UPC bb, no way am i going back to dsl.

Not everybody can get UPC broadband ... some cannot even get DSL - be thankful for what you have!

Have Sky and Vodafone DSL - so the news should be good news for me!

bealtine

keith_d99 wrote: »

Have Sky and Vodafone DSL - so the news should be good news for me!

Sadly it won't make a blind bit of difference in all likelihood, if you can't get broadband now you still won't be able to get it in the future unless BT suddenly build out their LLU offering to 100's of more exchanges, which seems unlikely.
Just to put it in perspective...there are 1200 exchanges and BT have LLU in just 60 exchanges, perhaps BT might launch from a few more exchanges but that will only be in major urban areas

keith_d99

bealtine wrote: »

Sadly it won't make a blind bit of difference in all likelihood, if you can't get broadband now you still won't be able to get it in the future unless BT suddenly build out their LLU offering to 100's of more exchanges, which seems unlikely.
Just to put it in perspective...there are 1200 exchanges and BT have LLU in just 60 exchanges, perhaps BT might launch from a few more exchanges but that will only be in major urban areas

Can get DSL - only change for me will be price hopefully (which is what I meant).

Don't expect any change in speeds/service unless there is investment in my local exchange as you say

Joey the lips

I have a house phone and 2 mobiles. I get a talk time package from eircom and free talk to the family with vodafone.

I cannot see no matter what provider comes in how i can get better while eircom owns the infrastructure.

bealtine

keith_d99 wrote: »

Can get DSL - only change for me will be price hopefully (which is what I meant).

I can't see that happening either, Comreg set the price for line rental supposedly to allow eircom to recover their costs and probably cover the mountain of debt they owe. Examinership really didn't address that issue to any great extent.

The line rental is currently E26+ so I can't see a lot of room for price reductions from any bitstream provider

pistolpetes11

Just after reading the following on breakingnews.ie comments section about this launch ,


Not a chance I say :

Headshot

lol such a spoofer

starviewadams

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Just after reading the following on breakingnews.ie comments section about this launch ,


Not a chance I say :

Sad thing is that a lot of people will believe such spoofing!

pistolpetes11

Headshot wrote: »

lol such a spoofer

I know , but once its out there it will be believed !

I can see it now , one of the lads telling me about this new Sky satellite broadband system over the weekend !

Headshot

what deals do they have for broadband and tv packages in UK. does anyone know ?

Might give us an idea what they may offer us

PogMoThoin

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Just after reading the following on breakingnews.ie comments section about this launch ,


Not a chance I say :

What a load of marketing BS. You cannot defeat the laws of physics captain.

starviewadams

Headshot wrote: »

what deals do they have for broadband and tv packages in UK. does anyone know ?

Might give us an idea what they may offer us

http://www.sky.com/shop/broadband-talk/

Headshot

starviewadams wrote: »

http://www.sky.com/shop/broadband-talk/

Saw that alright but as far as I can see it doesnt include tv ?

Do they even offer a broadband plus tv deal?

starviewadams

Headshot wrote: »

Saw that alright but as far as I can see it doesnt include tv ?

Do they even offer a broadband plus tv deal?

They surely do,that's the reason the offered bb to begin with,to try and counteract Virgin Media's triple play offerings in the UK:

http://www.sky.com/shop/bundles-offers/build-your-bundle/

PogMoThoin

If it's satellite why would they need BT? Some amount of BS being spouted here.

notahappycamper

This roll out will lead to Sky's on demand service (Anytime +) being rolled out here too later this year I'd imagine.

Headshot

If somthing goes wrong with your broadband but sky doesnt own your exchange, how does the repair work?

starviewadams

Same way it works currently if you have BB with Vodafone etc,you complain to them and they get Eircom to sort the problem out.

dodzy

Its at times like this that I realize ( and am thankful ) just how good the UPC BB service is...and how, unfortunately, other posters have to persevere with the alternatives. The thought of having to revert back....jesus, doesn't bear thinking about

pistolpetes11

So the lad says he is a trial user of this wonderful satellite broadband

starviewadams

Unless the extra piece of equipment that you attach to your Sky dish is a UPC cable modem or an Eircom ftth modem then he's lying!!

Dcully

There was me wishing and hoping id be finally away from eircom.
I had hoped such a big operator would build its own exchanges, more fool me
Im sick to death of eircom, im still on 3mb dsl, apparently my line can take 7mb but also apparently latency will be poor

Headshot

Dcully wrote: »

There was me wishing and hoping id be finally away from eircom.
I had hoped such a big operator would build its own exchanges, more fool me
Im sick to death of eircom, im still on 3mb dsl, apparently my line can take 7mb but also apparently latency will be poor

Amen to that

I live beside the eircom exchange but can only do 3mb because they dont want to update the exchange. My line is cable of doing 10+ mb no bother

I truly hate eircom and some day ill get my wish that they'll bought out by a reputable company

7upfree

starviewadams wrote: »

Unless the extra piece of equipment that you attach to your Sky dish is a UPC cable modem or an Eircom ftth modem then he's lying!!

Leaving out the BB - everything for €40? I don't think so...........

Headshot

Im wondering how can sky make a profit out of this, when you consider the line rental ?

7upfree

Headshot wrote: »

Dcully wrote: »

There was me wishing and hoping id be finally away from eircom.
I had hoped such a big operator would build its own exchanges, more fool me
Im sick to death of eircom, im still on 3mb dsl, apparently my line can take 7mb but also apparently latency will be poor

Amen to that

I live beside the eircom exchange but can only do 3mb because they dont want to update the exchange. My line is cable of doing 10+ mb no bother

I truly hate eircom and some day ill get my wish that they'll bought out by a reputable company

My boyfriend lives across the road from the exchange and is paying for 3mg broadband lucky to get .2mg at the best and that's when it decides to work. The funny thing is when it's down while ringing the support desk before getting to anyone it magically comes back on. There's is absolutely nothing wrong with the line according to them. looks like he'll be getting 3 mobile broadband as where he lives it is actually faster than the eircom broadband.

It should be like Canada and there should be a regulation that if you are offering something to the public you should have to make if available to the country as a whole not just the built up areas. But sure this government and previous governments don't have a clue they can't get the major problems sorted the broadband offering to people outside the major built up areas is never going to change not anytime in the near future anyway.

Cheerful Spring

Sky if they do set up here in this country and offer internet. Their internet-exchanges most likely will be located within city area destinations. Eircom, Digiweb, UPC their main exchanges are only found in city areas or very large towns.

Its one of the reasons why the DSL broadband signal to rural areas is so bad at times and be below par. DSL exchanges should by right be located outside of these city areas for people still using DSL to have better pings and latency. Its not going to happen though.

Sky mostly will sell DSL and cable. I can't see them offering higher speeds than whats been already offered by Eircom. Eircom pretty much control who gets DSL in this country and they can charge other providers for using their service. Broadband for Rural Ireland will never get better as long as they have complete control on how things go.

bealtine

Sky won't be setting up any exchanges, They have entered a deal with BT so they will only use the BT LLU exchanges and all the rest will be probably be eircom bitstream, if they bother with that route...

Cheerful Spring

Dcully wrote: »

There was me wishing and hoping id be finally away from eircom.
I had hoped such a big operator would build its own exchanges, more fool me
Im sick to death of eircom, im still on 3mb dsl, apparently my line can take 7mb but also apparently latency will be poor

Another provider would have to invest heavily in rural Ireland to upset the apple card when it comes to Eircom. Eircom, has no fear of losings its customers currently, their isn't a better service there, that's just the reality of it. If there was a choice people wouldn't be complaining about Eircom so much, they would have just switched over to a better provider by now.

Cheerful Spring

bealtine wrote: »

Sky won't be setting up any exchanges, They have entered a deal with BT so they will only use the BT LLU exchanges and all the rest will be probably be eircom bitstream, if they bother with that route...

Still in city areas though i would think. So their signal likely is not got to be all that better than what is currently there.

bealtine

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Still in city areas though i would think. So their signal likely is not got to be all that better than what is currently there.

Sky have nothing to do with it...it's BT and they have equipment in 60+ exchanges out of 1200 exchanges.

So in a way you are right it is only city areas...