EBJD problem..

buzz

I have a 2 month old blue Jack Dempsey and in the last week I introduced another JD.
A few days in, and my 3 month old gets very bloated looking.
I am not sure if they mated or if the fish is sick.. Wont move from the filter pump, wont eat and getting bigger by the day.

just setting up my 2nd tank at the moment to get it ready to move the JD.

pics attached, does he/she look sick or preggers?

Mr Whirly

It sounds like bloat. Epsom salts can help. If you're on the fish forums see if you can get metronidazole from somebody. Shops can't sell it over here. You will want to act fairly quickly too.

buzz

I have Tonic salt for freshwater.. Would that do it?
Should I treat teh whole 450L tank or take him out and treat him in a smaller tank?

Mr Whirly

Treat him in a qt tank if you can. Tonic salts won't really work. Bloat is a pain in the ass and the only really effective results I've seen have been with metro. You can order it online but it usually takes ages to arrive.

buzz

Ok cheers. Is there anything I can buy in a LFS that might help?

By the looks of him he is about to burst and I dont think he has 3 days.
He is gone under the internal filter and barely moving..

Mr Whirly

If it is bloat/dropsy it is very hard to treat. You only really have a window of a day or so. Do the scales on the fish look raised? Google dropsy/bloat and have a look at the pictures.

LFS can't sell metro, clout or the antibiotics needed to treat it unfortunately.

buzz

Mr Whirly wrote: »

If it is bloat/dropsy it is very hard to treat. You only really have a window of a day or so. Do the scales on the fish look raised? Google dropsy/bloat and have a look at the pictures.

LFS can't sell metro, clout or the antibiotics needed to treat it unfortunately.

Unfortunately he didnt make it through the night.:(

Degsy

buzz wrote: »

Unfortunately he didnt make it through the night.:(

I'm really sorry to hear that Buzz...do you think the JD i gave you caused the problem?

Mr Whirly

It's generally caused by diet or consistently high nitrates. EBJD are notoriously weak fish from whatever goes on during the breeding process. If your water parameters have been normal I'd chalk it up to bad luck with a hard to keep fish.

It is a type of bacterial infection so it may be worth treating the tank to ensure it doesn't spread. The first sign is usually the fish taking food but then spitting it back out, followed by raised scales and bloated body and then death usually within three or four days.

buzz

Mr Whirly wrote: »

It's generally caused by diet or consistently high nitrates. EBJD are notoriously weak fish from whatever goes on during the breeding process. If your water parameters have been normal I'd chalk it up to bad luck with a hard to keep fish.

It is a type of bacterial infection so it may be worth treating the tank to ensure it doesn't spread. The first sign is usually the fish taking food but then spitting it back out, followed by raised scales and bloated body and then death usually within three or four days.

You have it there..
The fish was spitting food out and re eating it. That was thursday I first time I noticed and dead last night. Is there any treatment you owuld recommend to treat the tank or would the epsom salt do it? All the other are swimming and eating / acting normal, but certainly not worth taking the risk. Water conditions are very good and my other EBJD is perfect. I will put this down to experience, I should of done something about it when I first noticed the bloating. Thanks for your help mr Whirly!

buzz

Degsy wrote: »

I'm really sorry to hear that Buzz...do you think the JD i gave you caused the problem?

I'm not sure Derek. It happened at the same time but the JD you gave me was fine! I had to move him to the 2nd tank as he got very aggressive and attacked all the other fish to show that he was clearly the boss lol Even took on and put the oscars larger than him into hiding!

Degsy

buzz wrote: »

I'm not sure Derek. It happened at the same time but the JD you gave me was fine! I had to move him to the 2nd tank as he got very aggressive and attacked all the other fish to show that he was clearly the boss lol Even took on and put the oscars larger than him into hiding!

Told ya he was a vicious SOB..i'd have thrown him in with my own oscars except they would have swallowed him whole

Mr Whirly

It may not be necessary as in my experience it tends to only affect the same species if it does spread.

What other fish are in the tank?

buzz

Mr Whirly wrote: »

It may not be necessary as in my experience it tends to only affect the same species if it does spread.

What other fish are in the tank?

There is 2 small oscars, 2 severums, 1 other EBJD, a green terror and a pangasius shark