Card incomplete dq

strokes1

One of the lads in my club had a winning medal score yesterday but was d'q on howdidido with a reason on results page of 'incomplete score card'- he is trying to get in contact with hcap sec


Jaysus thats a bit bloody harsh, once the scores are correct on card and computer and was signed by player and marker must surely be enough rather than getting d'q for missing a date/name/hc on card?
Of the 100 players that entered 16 got the same d'q message!

GreeBo

strokes1 wrote: »

One of the lads in my club had a winning medal score yesterday but was d'q on howdidido with a reason on results page of 'incomplete score card'- he is trying to get in contact with hcap sec


Jaysus thats a bit bloody harsh, once the scores are correct on card and computer and was signed by player and marker must surely be enough rather than getting d'q for missing a date/name/hc on card?

Once the scores are correct and the card was signed by both players you cannot be DQ'd for failing to enter date/comp name etc or for not using the computer.
Rule 33-5

Mister Sifter

There's a note to rule 33-5, though, which states:

"Note: The Committee may request that each competitor records the date
and his name on his score card."

Here's the rule re handicap on the card...

6-2. Handicap
b. Stroke Play
In any round of a handicap competition, the competitor must ensure that
his handicap is recorded on his score card before it is returned to the
Committee. If no handicap is recorded on his score card before it is returned
(Rule 6-6b), or if the recorded handicap is higher than that to which he is
entitled and this affects the number of strokes received, he is d

GreeBo

Mister Sifter wrote: »

There's a note to rule 33-5, though, which states:

"Note: The Committee may request that each competitor records the date
and his name on his score card."

Here's the rule re handicap on the card...

6-2. Handicap
b. Stroke Play
In any round of a handicap competition, the competitor must ensure that
his handicap is recorded on his score card before it is returned to the
Committee. If no handicap is recorded on his score card before it is returned
(Rule 6-6b), or if the recorded handicap is higher than that to which he is
entitled and this affects the number of strokes received, he is d

Yep, but that note goes on to say that they cannot DQ you for failing to do so.

Mister Sifter

GreeBo wrote: »

Yep, but that note goes on to say that they cannot DQ you for failing to do so.

I'd be grateful if you can point out where it says that in the rules, as I can't see it.

GreeBo

Mister Sifter wrote: »

I'd be grateful if you can point out where it says that in the rules, as I can't see it.

Check out the first FAQ on the bottom of 33-5. I cant copy it (thank you Flash!)

/edit also the term used is "request" which does not have to be obeyed.
(similar to "they player may" versus "they player must")

Myksyk

What did they get dq'd for? If it was no handicap included they have no case. Automatic DQ. Anything else might be worth a discussion with comp sec. Btw, on that point, its the comp sec not the handicap sec he should be trying to contact.

TheDoc

If the HC is missing then thats fair enough.

Missing a date etc is a bit harsh, although seen it happen before they started printing the stickers.

GreeBo

TheDoc wrote: »

If the HC is missing then thats fair enough.

Missing a date etc is a bit harsh, although seen it happen before they started printing the stickers.

see above, they cannot DQ for a date, name, comp missing on the card.
Only if no handicap or not signed.

8under

Myksyk wrote: »

What did they get dq'd for? If it was no handicap included they have no case. Automatic DQ. Anything else might be worth a discussion with comp sec. Btw, on that point, its the comp sec not the handicap sec he should be trying to contact.

It's not just no handicap. The player and marker must sign the card and of course, the score at each hole must be recorded.

TheDoc

TheDoc wrote: »

If the HC is missing then thats fair enough.

Missing a date etc is a bit harsh, although seen it happen before they started printing the stickers.

Don't know when the rule thats been posted was amended, but I know in our place anyway it was a DQ if your card didn't have a date, name or competition name on the card.

I was under the impression that was just a rule, might have been local one not sure. But seen it happen plenty before stickers that housed all the information became the norm.

All I need to do now is mark the card and sign, sticker has everything.

GreeBo

TheDoc wrote: »

Don't know when the rule thats been posted was amended, but I know in our place anyway it was a DQ if your card didn't have a date, name or competition name on the card.

I was under the impression that was just a rule, might have been local one not sure. But seen it happen plenty before stickers that housed all the information became the norm.

All I need to do now is mark the card and sign, sticker has everything.

Thats exactly the point though, you cannot be DQ'd and the rule has not changed. The committee can punish you but cannot do anything for this particular competition. Its their responsibility to see the card has date, comp, etc on it.

A Local Rule cannot waive a rule of golf either.

A Rule of Golf must not be waived by a Local Rule. However, if a Committee considers that local abnormal conditions interfere with the proper playing of the game to the extent that it is necessary to make a Local Rule that modifies the Rules of Golf, the Local Rule must be authorised by the R&A.

strokes1

The lad is still trying to get in contact with the secretary to see exactly the reason for d'q- he played an open somewhere else on the Friday and was cut to 9 from 10 but when putting scores in computer it said 10- however he marked his card off 9- I think that is the reason for d'q- any comeback on this one?

GreeBo

strokes1 wrote: »

The lad is still trying to get in contact with the secretary to see exactly the reason for d'q- he played an open somewhere else on the Friday and was cut to 9 from 10 but when putting scores in computer it said 10- however he marked his card off 9- I think that is the reason for d'q- any comeback on this one?

Nope thats fine, would only be an issue if he played of a higher handicap than his actual.

TheDoc

GreeBo wrote: »

Thats exactly the point though, you cannot be DQ'd and the rule has not changed. The committee can punish you but cannot do anything for this particular competition. Its their responsibility to see the card has date, comp, etc on it.

A Local Rule cannot waive a rule of golf either.

Then I'm owed a Junior Captain prize and a medal..... It was the age old story for young lads in the club, the infamous tale of "how Danny lost out on Captains because he didn't put in the date on the card"

I'll bring that up with in the pro shop today. Granted its not important now with stickers, interested to know.

Even the old fella lost out on a medal for not completing the competition name on the card good few years back.

**** that ****

Also I don't see how it would have been their responsibility to ensure the card is filled in with details. Any comps I played in before the computer and the sticker machine, you got a blank card, any club I went to, semi opens, my own club etc. there was never details filled in on the card. And it was always the players responsibility to ensure it was filled in.

and have to say was many a time someone would just remind me to pop in the date or the comp or something when we were signing cards, that was home comps and away. Thats defo big news to me, granted now totally irrelevant

strokes1

Haven't spoken to my playing partner but just got an amended comp howdidido email result! He was reinstated but didn't win it in the end- 2nd in class! Justice for the common man and all that stuff!!!

Luckily the amendment didn't affect buffer zone as I just scrapped in to the buffer- sweet