Contradicting advice.

Oilbeefhooked!

Looking for feedback on the following.
Had a lesson in Cork last week and was advised by pro that i wasnt
turning my hips away enough in my backswing!?
Then played pro-am this week with another pro who told me that i should be trying to keep my legs and hips more stable to turn my upper body against in backswing.
This is what i was doing pre lesson!!
Now confused as to what is the best way forward, as ive been hitting some great balls using both methods!!

PRAF

Don't judge your swing by your good shots, judge them by how bad your poor shots are!

You do need a little bit of lateral movement of the hips in the swing but too much = swaying which is poor for stability. That's something I struggled with a little while back. I'm concentrating on making a full turn and trying to get my left shoulder either in line with or a little behind the ball. Any more than that is swaying

areyawell

bend over and try to lick the golf ball with your tongue when its on the ground. Then try to swing your arms around in a circle on one leg. If this works and not uncomfortable then your back swing shud be fine when you get up. If sore then you need to work on your backswing

charlieIRL

areyawell wrote: »

bend over and try to lick the golf ball with your tongue when its on the ground. Then try to swing your arms around in a circle on one leg. If this works and not uncomfortable then your back swing shud be fine when you get up. If sore then you need to work on your backswing

Really?

Benny Cake

areyawell wrote: »

bend over and try to lick the golf ball with your tongue when its on the ground. Then try to swing your arms around in a circle on one leg. If this works and not uncomfortable then your back swing shud be fine when you get up. If sore then you need to work on your backswing

Post of the year?

PRAF

areyawell wrote: »

bend over and try to lick the golf ball with your tongue when its on the ground. Then try to swing your arms around in a circle on one leg. If this works and not uncomfortable then your back swing shud be fine when you get up. If sore then you need to work on your backswing

i heard you needed to get some ribs removed to be able to do that

Dammo

Why are you asking pros? Are there no high handicappers in your club who have all the latest gear?

PRAF

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oV-5SM9bV8

This will explain the whole 'sway' thing a bit more hopefully!

newport2

Oilbeefhooked! wrote: »

Looking for feedback on the following.
Had a lesson in Cork last week and was advised by pro that i wasnt
turning my hips away enough in my backswing!?
Then played pro-am this week with another pro who told me that i should be trying to keep my legs and hips more stable to turn my upper body against in backswing.
This is what i was doing pre lesson!!
Now confused as to what is the best way forward, as ive been hitting some great balls using both methods!!

Pick a pro you work well with. While you're taking lessons with them, don't listen to anyone else.

MP62

Oilbeefhooked! wrote: »

as ive been hitting some great balls using both methods!

I doubt this very much, but if true then what's the problem?.

Oilbeefhooked!

PRAF wrote: »

i heard you needed to get some ribs removed to be able to do that

To clarify -
Its not a sway/lateral motion that the first pro told me to do,
he told me i needed to turn my hips back together with my arms/chest
at start of backswing, which in turn means a lot more leg motion in swing.

Whereas the 2nd pro told me i should be trying to keep knees and hips
as stable as possible in backswing i.e. turn chest /shoulders back while trying to keep hips facing forward thus creating torque.

Its easy to say , find a good pro and stick with him - my question is which of these pros , is the good pro? Is one talking ****e?Are the both talking sense but got different philosifies?I paid 35 euro got a lesson only to be told the opposite by 2nd guy.
thats why i'm confused.

Wondering if it was a good idea getting the lesson now, was playing well but hitting odd blocks and hooks , changing grip helped there but not sure
whether to take on board the hip thing or not.

Very true that i should look at bad shots rather than good ones though,
good advice thanks.
Goin to hit the range tomorrow and assess the damage.:(
Thanks everyone.

Oilbeefhooked!

MP62 wrote: »

I doubt this very much, but if true then what's the problem?.

Yeah fair point - what i should have said is i can hit so poor shots using both methods:o

newport2

Perhaps you were not turning your hips enough so your pro got you to do it. But by the time the second one saw you you were overdoing it - easy to do when it's something new, in fact some pros will purposely get you to overdo something in order to engrain the feel of it - hence the second pro pointed out your hips were turning too much.

From what Ive done with my pro in the past, hips chest and shoulders turn as your first pro said, but your hips should stop turning well before your shoulders do, generating the torque you second pro mentioned. Why not tell your pro exactly what you've told us here and ask why the advice your getting from two experts appears to be conflicting. I'm sure he'll have no problem explaining this, whether he agrees with the other pro or not.

Sorry for pointing out the obvious and saying stick to what your pro says, but if he comes recommended then I would stand by that. Different pros take different routes to achieve their/your objective, even though their goal may be the same. You need to decide on one and give him the benefit of the doubt for a period of time. Sorry I can't be of more help, good luck in sorting it out

Milkers

Not too surprising you received contradictory advice on this subject as it is one of those areas of the golf swing that is fairly keenly debated even among teaching professionals. As a rough guide it is probably more "old school" to turn the hips away (clockwise) on the backswing to help create a fuller turn whereas trying to limit hip turn and turning the upper body against the legs to create torque is more "new school". So do you want to be Bobby Jones or Tiger Woods? :-)

Oilbeefhooked!

Milkers wrote: »

Not too surprising you received contradictory advice on this subject as it is one of those areas of the golf swing that is fairly keenly debated even among teaching professionals. As a rough guide it is probably more "old school" to turn the hips away (clockwise) on the backswing to help create a fuller turn whereas trying to limit hip turn and turning the upper body against the legs to create torque is more "new school". So do you want to be Bobby Jones or Tiger Woods? :-)

Thanks for that , was doin a bit of research and yeah there seems to be more than one way to skin a cat!
As I will never have the flexibility of a modern tour pro, then maybe the old school
Technique may be the best road to go down and stick to teachings of my original lesson.
Think moral of the story is to pick 1 tutor and stick to it, ignoring all other advice :0)

onlyfinewine

The moral of the story is that if you picked the wrong pro you would not progress because they are direct opposites and cannot both be correct.

Depending on your body type age/flexibility/preferences you will find that one method will suit you best.

Fortunately you can check which is good for you on the range as you indicated.

Would love to know how the session turns out!

Oilbeefhooked!

onlyfinewine wrote: »

The moral of the story is that if you picked the wrong pro you would not progress because they are direct opposites and cannot both be correct.

Depending on your body type age/flexibility/preferences you will find that one method will suit you best.

Fortunately you can check which is good for you on the range as you indicated.

Would love to know how the session turns out!

Very true what you say , choosing a pro should be very well researched I reckon!
I have been trying to stick with the advice of my lesson and attempting to play with weaker grip and more hip rotation at start of backswing . Not easy changing what you've done for years and am having mixed success! Unfortunately when I do hit a poor shot , I have the ghost of the other pro in my mind telling me there wasn't much wrong with my old technique!?!
played a round yesterday and ended up using various grips and backswings - the result as you can imagine was a shocking 24 points!!
Wishing I had not gone near a lesson as have dropped from 18 to 12 handicap this year already.
What to do ? Do I go to a 3rd pro and see which camp he resides in??
Feeling this early hip turning has me verging on a reverse pivot !!!
HELP!!

onlyfinewine

Firstly, congratulations on losing 6 shots this year, that's a marvellous achievement and one that very very few people ever experience. You should be proud and pleased with your progress to date.

You did not mention the grip change in your previous post, but because you were hitting occasional blocks and hooks I assume the pro felt that you could swing better with a weaker grip. If I guess right the 2nd pro saw you play after you had done some remedial work on your original swing? Using more hips and staying connected usually leads to a flatter swing which may be the reason that the 2nd Pro suggested restricting the hips, which normally leads to a more upright swing.

Has your bad shot changed or are you in the midst of a changeover which has not settled yet? If you can go back to your lesson giver and get his opinion I am sure you will get proper answers and good directions.

If it is difficult to go back to him there are a number of books by John Jacobs which have stood the test of time and allow you to fix whatever is wrong yourself through observation and analysis. He analyses what the ball does and from that deduces correctly what has caused the problem.