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Burgas Bus Bombing, Why Iran?

  • 20-07-2012 12:03pm
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭


    Concerning the bus bombing at Burgas airport, Bulgaria, Israel was very quick to point the finger at Iran, the govt/leadreship of Iran.

    Israel have many enemies, from individuals to nations, all with a reason or other to hate Israel and Israeli's. So before the smoke settled Iran was blamed, a suicide bomber enters the bus and blows up his backpack.

    This excert from this article would have me believe that the bomb was in the luggage compartment:
    Itzik Colangi and Amir Menashe were good friends from Petah Tikva. Colangi's wife GIlat gave birth to their first child, Noya, four months ago, and his birthday was two weeks ago. The couple decided to celebrate in Burgas with their friends Natalie and Amir Menashe, who have a ten-month-old son, Rom. Gilat was severely injured and Natalie was lightly injured from the terrorist attack, while Itzik and Amir were killed while packing their luggage onto the bus.
    http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=278264

    photo_verybig_141476.jpg

    Another photo from the other side also looks like it came from the luggage compartment.
    article-suicide-bomber-bus.jpg
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/fake-michigan-driver-license-found-suspect-bulgaria-bus-bombing-killed-israeli-tourists-article-1.1117502

    The luggage compartment is scorched worse than the rest of the bus, and there would have been a lift up compatment door there which should have protected the area a little from the scorch marks.

    This piece from a bulgarian news agency suggests the same:
    The photos lead to the conclusion that the bomb went off in the luggage compartment, because this part has been damaged worst.
    According to Bulgarian Interior Minister Tsvetan Tsvetanov, however, the suicide bomber was standing at the bus' door at the time of the explosion.
    http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=141476

    Incidently it happened on the 18th July, the 18th anniversary of the Buenos Aires, Argentina bombing, 18 is a special number in Juadism:
    For this reason, 18 is a spiritual number in Judaism, and many Jews give gifts of money in multiples of 18 as a result.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_(symbol)
    Could this have a factor in the date of the bombing or was it just coincidence?.

    Could it simply be an individual, acting alone that carried this out for reasons unknown, yet the first thing Israel said is that it WAS Iran, even before the true number of dead was known.

    According to reports the bomb went off when a man walked onto it, supposedly this man:
    bulgaria-shows-images-suicide-bomber-1-492599.jpg

    There's speculation he's a Swedish national:
    But Israeli media quoted Bulgarian news reports as identifying the bomber as 33-year-old Stockholm-born Mehdi Ghezali, who according to leaked Guantanamo documents was sent back to his homeland eight years ago. According to a risk assessment provided to McClatchy Newspapers by WikiLeaks, the then-prison camps deputy commander here recommended his repatriation to further detention in Sweden on April 10, 2004.
    http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/2012/7/19/sweden_says_freed_captive_was_not.htm

    Sweden denies it's him?

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    Bomber-Mehdi-Ghezali.jpg

    Was it just a Swedish man with a grudge, was it Iran,Hezzbollah, Hamas, Mossad, seems the zionist war machine is really pushing to blame Iran and hopefully get their people behind them in a war, perfect excuse, another 9/11???

    His fake Michigan driving licence found wasn't in that bad condition seen as the carrier had just blown to smitherines.

    1214272988.jpg

    Seem's them passports and licences can take some beating and still turn up in fairly good condition.


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    stuar wrote: »
    Concerning the bus bombing at Burgas airport, Bulgaria, Israel was very quick to point the finger at Iran, the govt/leadreship of Iran.

    Israel have many enemies, from individuals to nations, all with a reason or other to hate Israel and Israeli's. So before the smoke settled Iran was blamed, a suicide bomber enters the bus and blows up his backpack

    Iran blames Israel. Israel blames Iran. Quelle surprise.
    You don't have access to any of the intelligence available at the time so your speculation might be (and in all honestly is probably most likely to) be way off. Hizbullah could very well have been behind the attack. Wouldn't be the first time they have attacked or have sponsored an attack in Europe with the aid of Iran's Pasdaran either.

    You're not in a position either to speculate on the forensics of ballistics and explosions. For example, one section of the bus's undercarriage could have been open. The other could have been closed. Depending on the type of incendiary materials used, they need instantaneous oxygen and airflow to leave certain types of damage.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    I believe the point is that Israeli officials uniformly blamed Iran immediately for the attack without presenting any evidence. The Israeli state constantly lies therefore they shouldn't be taken on their word.

    Due to Israel's past criminality, deceptions and determination to see their regional rival Iran destroyed they shouldn't be ruled out as a suspect.
    “You almost won’t find a point in time where something isn’t happening somewhere in the world,” he said. “I am escalating all those special operations.”
    Israel's Chief-Of-Staff, Maj. Gen. Benny Gantz
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...4ZT_story.html

    Lieberman is also planning to set meetings with the heads of Kurdish rebel group PKK in Europe in order to “cooperate with them and boost them in every possible area.” In these meetings, the Kurds may ask Israel for military aid in the form of training and arms supplies, a move that would constitute a major anti-Turkish position should it materialize.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...119984,00.html

    (PKK Listed as terrorists by the US State Dept- http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2006/82738.htm )

    A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran.

    Continued: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article.../13/false_flag

    Israel, MEK and state sponsor of Terror groups

    A new report claims that MEK is behind the assassination of Iran's scientists, and Israel funds them

    http://www.salon.com/2012/02/10/israel_mek_and_state_sponsor_of_terror_groups/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    I believe the point is that Israeli officials uniformly blamed Iran immediately for the attack without presenting any evidence. The Israeli state constantly lies therefore they shouldn't be taken on their word

    Which country's government should be??
    Russia blamed Georgia for South Ossetia despite being the provocateur and supplier themselves (forgetting purge and theft of its oil competitors, deaths and arrests of journalists, assassinations in Chechnya and Uzbekistan). Iran blamed Israel for the death of a scientist who happened to be a vocal dissident, following their purge which succeeded their joke elections. China just denies everything full-stop (yet they're good enough for an Olympics and for Ireland to do business with).

    As for blaming immediately, like I said, you have no access to any of the intelligence that was available. It is naive to claim that Iran and its proxy partners are not in operation outside their own borders.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    JustinDee wrote: »
    Which country's government should be??
    None.
    JustinDee wrote: »
    It is naive to claim that Iran and its proxy partners are not in operation outside their own borders.
    I didn't claim that. I am saying it is naive to take habitual liars i.e. Israel, on their word about anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    They have now ruled out Ghezali

    Witnesses have been describing a man with a wig and that the bomb was in the luggage compartment.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    Theres plenty of speculation going around the net that it was a false flag operation, just as much speculation as that Iran were behind the bombing, but it's all speculation at this stage, from all points of view.

    The Israeli public mostly don't want a war with Iran, Iran don't really want a war with Israel/US and the tag along crew.

    Low support in Israel for unilateral attack on Iran.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/20/us-iran-nuclear-israel-poll-idUSBRE86J0DW20120720

    Now things are hotting up....
    Tension rising between Israel, Hezbollah Jerusalem blames Shiite group for Burgas attack, says Syrian chemical weapons could end up in Lebanon. RedArwRight.png
    Jerusalem blames Shiite group for Burgas attack, says Syrian chemical weapons could end up in Lebanon.
    U.S. officials: Hezbollah attacked Israelis in Bulgaria to retaliate for killing of Iran nuclear scientists
    The suicide bomber who attacked Israeli tourists in Bulgaria earlier this week was an Hezbollah operative, U.S. officials told the New York Times late Thursday, adding that the bombing was ordered by Iran in order to avenge assassinations targeting its nuclear scientists.

    Pentagon: Terror attack in Bulgaria bears hallmarks of Hezbollah
    The attack on a bus carrying Israelis at a Bulgarian airport, "does bear the hallmarks of Hezbollah," George Little, the Pentagon press secretary, told reporters..................

    Little turned aside a request to characterize the signs of an Hezbollah attack or how it could be distinguished from one by, for instance, al-Qaida, which is not linked to Iran.
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/pentagon-terror-attack-in-bulgaria-bears-hallmarks-of-hezbollah-1.452536

    On the other side there's the claims of a false flag operation by Israel to justify it's warmongering.

    Burgas bus bombing: Does Iran really need to attack Israeli tourists?
    RT: But Israel is the victim in this case. Somebody bombed those buses. Do you think there is a legitimate concern that it could be Iran, or who else do you think could be possible suspects here?

    SSU: I think many in your audience will know that Israel excels at false flag operations. And in fact in 2004, the New Zealand Herald revealed that Israelis tried to steal New Zealand passports in order to carry out assassinations. And they had stolen Canadian passports to kill members of the Jordanian political elite.
    I can’t say for certainty that Israel was behind this or that this was a false flag attack, but I only look at who gains by this operation judging from their past behavior. And to me it does not make sense that Iran would want to carry out this operation.
    http://www.rt.com/news/burgas-israel-iran-accusations-expert-640/



    Israel pushing for World War III: Military analyst
    An American military analyst says by using its international assets to launch “false-flag” terror attacks against certain targets and by framing Iran, Israel is bent on making the US attack the Islamic Republic and fomenting World War III, Press TV reports.

    “We are watching a plan take shape, one devised in Tel Aviv, making use of ‘assets’ around the world, meant to culminate in orchestrated ‘false-flag’ terror attacks which Israeli influence in the media, vast influence, can use to create an atmosphere enabling an attack on Iran by the United States,” Gordon Duff said in an article published on Press TV website.
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/07/21/252077/israel-pushing-for-world-war-iii/


    Who is Behind the Bulgaria "False Flag" Attack on Israeli Tourists?
    While there is plenty of empirical data to support that Israelis are not shy about false flag operations, one would be hard pressed to accept that Israel would carry out a false flag operation and kill its own. Not so.

    The 1976 Operation Entebbe was a great tribute to Israeli courage and praise of Israeli commandos of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) who rescued Israeli citizens at Entebbe airport in Uganda . But newly released British government documents reveal that the 1976 rescue of hostages, kidnapped on an Air France flight and held in Entebbe was a false flag operation – the file claims that Israel itself was behind the hijacking.
    This “rescue operation” which became known as “operation Jonathan” in honor of the unit’s leader – Yonatan Netanyahu, the current Prime Minister’s brother. Yonatan was killed in the false flag operation – as were four other Israelis.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31992

    BBC Conspiracy Theory on Entebbe Enrages Rescuers and Survivors
    Israelis are outraged over a 30-year-old British conspiracy theory on the origins of the legendary Entebbe operation. Experts on the Entebbe rescue, including Benjamin Netanyahu, are weighing in to debunk the theory.
    A BBC report published June 1 quoted a recently declassified British government memorandum as suggesting that Jerusalem secretly collaborated with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine terrorists who hijacked an Air France airliner full of Israeli passengers on June 27, 1976.
    But according to a theory advanced by D.H. Colvin, a British diplomat in Paris at the time of the crisis, the hijacking may have been staged as part of a bid by Israel to discredit the Palestinians in the West.
    http://www.jewishexponent.com/article/13167/BBC_Conspiracy_Theory_on_Entebbe/

    I like everybody here don't know who was behind the attack, an unknown group admitted responsibility.
    Previously unknown group claims Burgas attack.
    “Base of Jihad” sent statement claiming attack to Lebanese news site; Bulgarian Foreign Ministry denies group responsible.

    CNN reported Saturday that eyewitnesses identified a second suspect who might have assisted the bomber and described him as having short hair and speaking English with a “distinct” accent.
    This would be a different man than the one shown in the photos and video released by Bulgarian authorities. That man has long hair. According to the report, the second suspect might be American.
    http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=278384

    Now theres possibly an American suspect that may have aided the bomber: (Hey, Hippie Freeloader, do you want my ticket for a free ride to Sunny Beach, I'm taking a cab, take that nice (Explosive)coach over there and away you go!).

    Maybe the "bomber" was a patsy, totally unaware of his faith. It now seems the bomb was in the luggage compartment, photo evidence shows the bus on the back of a truck, with the boarding side facing the camera, the metal around the swing open door is burned but not structurally damaged as would be expected if it were in such close proximity to a bomb exploding. The floor of the luggage compartment directly above the 2nd wheel of the truck trailer is bent down, indicating this is the point of explosion. The metal frame of the roof is not shredded or torn as would be expected if a bomb had went off just below it.
    Why would a suicide bomber put his bomb in a luggage compartment when it will do a lot more damage being IN the bus full of tourists?

    article-suicide-bomber-bus.jpg


    It's early days yet, but I wouldn't dissmiss the idea of a pre planted bomb, a patsy, 5 sacrificial lambs and a zionist war machine looking for a good PR stunt.

    I know 1 Jewish life is supposed to be equal to 100,000 non jew lives or whatever, but zionist leaders have sacrificed Jews for bigger rewards in the past, and the current administration have a problem with their subjects not being really into a war with Iran.




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    stuar wrote: »
    ]I know 1 Jewish life is supposed to be equal to 100,000 non jew lives or whatever, but zionist leaders have sacrificed Jews for bigger rewards in the past, and the current administration have a problem with their subjects not being really into a war with Iran.
    Not mentioning Black September 1972.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    JustinDee wrote: »
    It is naive to claim that Iran and its proxy partners are not in operation outside their own borders.
    It is also naive to claim that Iran are involved in this.;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    shedweller wrote: »
    It is also naive to claim that Iran are involved in this.;)
    Just as naive to claim they aren't also.

    Qaedat al-Jihad have claimed responsibility for blowing up the "Jewish Bus". Although Bulgarian police don't think it's the case.

    Most seem to think militant Hezbollah had a hand in it... Which is entirely plausible.

    Does the fact it concurred with the dates of the Argentine bombing four years ago indicate an connection to Hezbollah? Or the corelation with the Israel Hezbollah war?

    It was certainly the right place and time for Hezbollah to have done it.

    And, is militant Hezbollah a proxy of Iran?
    Since Iran is quite public in it's support of Hezbollah's political activities, tacit support of their militant activities is more than plausible.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    Seem's it's fact in Israel it was Hezbollah (under Iran's command) that blew up the bus in Burgas.
    Burgas attack a sign of Hezbollah’s potency, but could Syria’s problems hinder its future?
    TEL AVIV (JTA) -- Hezbollah may have landed a strike against Israel with last week’s bus bombing in Bulgaria, but the Lebanese terrorist faction faces an uncertain future as one of its main sponsors -- Syria’s Assad regime -- faces a serious revolt and weakening support from once Arab allies, according to analysts.
    http://www.jta.org/news/article/2012/07/23/3101511/hezbollah-uncertain-future-but-still-dangerous

    The Burgas Attack: Iran’s Terror War Against Israel
    http://www.rightsidenews.com/2012072316709/world/israel/the-burgas-attack-irans-terror-war-against-israel.html

    Israel Says Intelligence Ties Hezbollah to Bulgaria Attack
    WASHINGTON—Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday that his government has gathered "unquestionable" intelligence showing that the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, backed by Iran, was behind a suicide bombing in Bulgaria last week that killed five Israeli nationals.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443570904577542934016954016.html

    Bulgarian police looking for Hezbollah cell in Bulgarian mountains???
    According to journalists of Novinar daily, police are looking for a Hezbollah cell in Bulgaria's Pirin Mountain.
    http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=141574

    Times of Israel reported 2 days ago that the Bulgarian authorities have established that a Hezbollah cell orchistrated last week's bomb attacks, Bulgaria is still none the wiser who did it or hasn't accused anybody.

    Bulgarians fear Hezbollah cell that orchestrated bombing has fled, possibly to Turkey
    Bulgarian authorities have established that a Hezbollah terror cell orchestrated last Wednesday’s bombing on a bus at Burgas airport in which five Israelis and the Bulgarian bus driver were killed, Israel’s Channel 2 news reported on Saturday night.
    There is a concern that members of the cell have fled Bulgaria, possibly overland to Turkey.
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/bulgarians-fear-hezbollah-cell-that-orchestrated-bombing-has-fled-possibly-to-turkey/

    Oddity?

    Autopsy of Burgas bomber doesn't fit some witness accounts
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/autopsy-of-burgas-bomber-doesn-t-fit-some-witness-accounts-1.452862

    Why the Buenos Aires Bombing Is a False Indicator on Burgas
    http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/10472-why-the-buenos-aires-bombing-is-a-false-indicator-on-burgas


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Thats a more than average amount of israeli media there. They're not biased surely?!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    EU refuses Israeli request to blacklist Hezbollah
    Israel blames Iran and Hezbollah for Burgas terror attack; Cypriot FM says that if there were tangible evidence that Hezbollah engaged in terror, EU would consider blacklisting the group.
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4259976,00.html


    So where's all the Israeli evidence and intelligence they claim to have?




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭asherbassad


    Netayahu blamed Iran as the bus was still burning, yet the guy, the loudmouth had ZERO evidence and in spite of the fact that multiple EXPERT intelligence agencies insisted that Iran had nothing to do with it. Nevermind though. The lie is out now and many morons believe it much the same way as all the other lies have been spat out, refuted, yet believed by non-thinkers.

    Simple question is this. Why would IRAN do such a thing?


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Netayahu blamed Iran as the bus was still burning, yet the guy, the loudmouth had ZERO evidence and in spite of the fact that multiple EXPERT intelligence agencies insisted that Iran had nothing to do with it. Nevermind though. The lie is out now and many morons believe it much the same way as all the other lies have been spat out, refuted, yet believed by non-thinkers.

    Simple question is this. Why would IRAN do such a thing?

    To give Israel causus belli to destroy it's non-existent nuclear weapons programme - and in the process destroy the state itself, perhaps even balkanisation along with the loss of unimaginable numbers of innocent lives.

    In short, Iran loves Israel and wants it to be the only regional power so it can act even more criminally than it already does.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Bulgarian Revelations Explode Hezbollah Bombing “Hypothesis”

    http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/bulgarian-revelations-explode-hezbollah-bombing-hypothesis/


    Netanyahu is such a lying, opportunist scumbag. He claimed that there was rocksolid evidence of Hezbollah's involvement. He couldn't care less about justice for the jews who were murderered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,069 ✭✭✭Tzar Chasm


    I feel the Need to correct your statement where you say he cares not for jewish lives, it should read israeli in stead of jew, there are many many many many people In this world who are jewish and not utter c**ts.
    they should not be confused with those who chose to identify themselves as citizens od an apartheid state


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Tzar Chasm wrote: »
    I feel the Need to correct your statement where you say he cares not for jewish lives, it should read israeli in stead of jew, there are many many many many people In this world who are jewish and not utter c**ts.
    they should not be confused with those who chose to identify themselves as citizens od an apartheid state
    Yeah I fully agree though I really didn't mean to imply what you think I did.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭asherbassad


    studiorat wrote: »
    Just as naive to claim they aren't also.

    Qaedat al-Jihad have claimed responsibility for blowing up the "Jewish Bus". Although Bulgarian police don't think it's the case.

    Most seem to think militant Hezbollah had a hand in it... Which is entirely plausible.

    Does the fact it concurred with the dates of the Argentine bombing four years ago indicate an connection to Hezbollah? Or the corelation with the Israel Hezbollah war?

    It was certainly the right place and time for Hezbollah to have done it.

    And, is militant Hezbollah a proxy of Iran?
    Since Iran is quite public in it's support of Hezbollah's political activities, tacit support of their militant activities is more than plausible.

    When have Hezbollah ever been involved or proven implicated in an act of international terrorism?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭asherbassad


    When have Hezbollah ever been involved or proven implicated in an act of international terrorism?


    I'm waiting..............


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    You could start with the shelling of al-Qusair.

    Still what would you expect from a "political party" with it's own army.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭Duiske


    studiorat wrote: »
    You could start with the shelling of al-Qusair.

    .

    Can't find any info on that. Can you provide any links ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    When have Hezbollah ever been involved or proven implicated in an act of international terrorism?
    Never. Hizbullah are just misunderstood good boys, have nothing to do with anyone else in the region, and are most definitely not in cahoots with Syria or the Pasdaran.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,069 ✭✭✭Tzar Chasm


    studiorat wrote: »
    You could start with the shelling of al-Qusair.

    Still what would you expect from a "political party" with it's own army.


    well, thats far from proof of involvement, there have been many allegations of cross border shellings in the syrian conflict that turned out to be nothing of the sort. also I would expect allegations of captured Hezbollah soldiers to be acompanied by some form of evidence for the existance of these men. surely it would be political gold for the FSA to prove their allegations of incursions.

    That said tho there seems to be a large Lebanese population on the Syrian border, so it looks like anyone who picks up a weapon to defend his home in that region is automatically designated as a hezbollah fighter by the other side


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,069 ✭✭✭Tzar Chasm


    JustinDee wrote: »
    Never. Hizbullah are just misunderstood good boys, have nothing to do with anyone else in the region, and are most definitely not in cahoots with Syria or the Pasdaran.

    Just like that Beacon of fair, open, inclusive Democracy - Israel - in no way runs an Militarised apartheid regime and absolutely never comitted ethnic cleansing or Stole land


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 291 ✭✭Sixtus


    When have Hezbollah ever been involved or proven implicated in an act of international terrorism?


    ..2011 attack in Istanbul

    In July 2011, Italian newspaper Corierre della Sera reported, based on American and Turkish sources,[168] that Hezbollah was behind a bombing in Istanbul in May 2011 that wounded eight Turkish civilians. The report said that the attack was an assassination attempt on the Israeli consul to Turkey, Moshe Kimchi. Turkish intelligence sources denied the report and said "Israel is in the habit of creating disinformation campaigns using different papers."[168]
    2012 planned attack in Cyprus

    In July 2012, a Lebanese man was detained by Cyprus police on possible charges relating to terrorism laws for planning attacks against Israeli tourists. According to security officials, the man was planning attacks for Hezbollah in Cyprus and admitted this after questioning. The police were alerted about the man due to an urgent message from Israeli intelligence. The Lebanese man was in possession of photographs of Israeli targets and had information on Israeli airlines flying back and forth from Cyprus, and planned to blow up a plane or tour bus.[169] Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that Iran assisted the Lebanese man with planning the attacks.[170]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,087 ✭✭✭Duiske


    Sixtus wrote: »
    ..2011 attack in Istanbul

    In July 2011, Italian newspaper Corierre della Sera reported, based on American and Turkish sources,[168] that Hezbollah was behind a bombing in Istanbul in May 2011 that wounded eight Turkish civilians. The report said that the attack was an assassination attempt on the Israeli consul to Turkey, Moshe Kimchi. Turkish intelligence sources denied the report and said "Israel is in the habit of creating disinformation campaigns using different papers."[168]

    A wiki article quoting unnamed source's. And lol, do you even read what your quoting ?
    2012 planned attack in Cyprus

    In July 2012, a Lebanese man was detained by Cyprus police on possible charges relating to terrorism laws for planning attacks against Israeli tourists. According to security officials, the man was planning attacks for Hezbollah in Cyprus and admitted this after questioning. The police were alerted about the man due to an urgent message from Israeli intelligence. The Lebanese man was in possession of photographs of Israeli targets and had information on Israeli airlines flying back and forth from Cyprus, and planned to blow up a plane or tour bus.[169] Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that Iran assisted the Lebanese man with planning the attacks.[170]

    His name is Hossam Taleb Yaacoub and he admitted no such thing. He does admit to being a member of Hezbollah and to acting as a courier for them. Is that your proof then ? Two factually inaccurate wikipedia articles ?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 291 ✭✭Sixtus


    Duiske wrote: »
    A wiki article quoting an unnamed source;s. Real evidence right there.


    His name is Hossam Taleb Yaacoub and he admitted no such thing. He does admit to being a member of Hezbollah and to acting as a courier for them. Is that your proof then ? Two factually inaccurate wikipedia articles ?

    It's fairly easy to prove Hezbollah of international terrorism, because y'know they are. I'm actually fairly pro paletsine having a friend who's missing a chunk of thigh from a Israeli sniper.

    Anyway I digress

    What major attacks is Hezbollah responsible for?

    Hezbollah and its affiliates have planned or been linked to a lengthy series of terrorist attacks against the United States, Israel, and other Western targets. These attacks include:
    • a series of kidnappings of Westerners in Lebanon, including several Americans, in the 1980s;
    • the suicide truck bombings that killed more than two hundred U.S. Marines at their barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, in 1983;
    • the 1985 hijacking of TWA flight 847, which featured the famous footage of the plane's pilot leaning out of the cockpit with a gun to his head;
    • two major 1990s attacks on Jewish targets in Argentina--the 1992 bombing of the Israeli Embassy (killing twenty-nine) and the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center (killing ninety-five).
    • a July 2006 raid on a border post in northern Israel in which two Israeli soldiers were taken captive. The abductions sparked an Israeli military campaign against Lebanon to which Hezbollah responded by firing rockets across the Lebanese border into Israel.
    While Hezbollah has not claimed responsibility for any major international attacks since 2006, the group's weapons stockpile has increased and and its capabilities have strengthened. In November 2009, Israeli athorities intercepted a ship (TIME) carrying more than three thousand Iranian-made rockets and mortars which they believed were bound for Hezbollah. In April 2010, Israeli and U.S. officials also claimed that Syria transfered SCUD missiles (WSJ) to Hezbollah. On July 14, 2010, Naim Qassem, Hezbollah's second-in-command, said the group possesses an extensive list of Israeli targets (AFP) should a new conflict with Israel begin.
    Does Hezbollah play an active role in the Lebanese politics?

    Yes. The group's political strength has grown since the its May 2008 takeover of West Beirut, which followed a government-ordered shutdown of Hezbollah's communications network. In an Arab-brokered deal to end the fighting, Hezbollah was granted veto power in Lebanon's parliament, and controlled eleven of thirty seats in the cabinet. Despite the apparent political strengthening, however, some experts say Hezbollah's use of force in the West Beirut showdown--Hezbollah had said it would never turn its weapons on Lebanese civilians--eroded the group's credibility. In a May 2008 report, the International Crisis Group warned that a line had been crossed that would likely deepen the sectarian tensions among Lebanon's ruling and opposition parties. The June 2009 elections saw a drop in Hezbollah's political representation--it kept thirteen seats (WSJ) in the 128-member Lebanese Parliament and only two in the cabinet--but the loss has not diminished the group's influence. In a December 2009 vote, the Lebanese Parliament allowed Hezbollah to retain its arsenal of weapons (NYT), despite pro-Western lawmakers' objections.
    In a 2009 Washington Institute for Near East Policy report (PDF), adjunct scholar Magnus Norell writes that Hezbollah was "strong enough to drag the country [Lebanon] into war against the will of the sovereign government." The UN has issued two Security Council resolutions, 1559 and 1701, calling for the disarmament of all Lebanese militias, including Hezbollah, but it has so far refused to relinquish its weapons.

    Hezbollah has a international terrorism arm, or at least it did. Lets not mince words, it's like suggesting the provos never attacked the UK mainland or civilians. We're never going to reach peace in the middle east with dishonest rhetoric like asserbhads.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Tzar Chasm wrote: »
    well, thats far from proof of involvement, there have been many allegations of cross border shellings in the syrian conflict that turned out to be nothing of the sort.

    Name one...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Tzar Chasm wrote: »
    Just like that Beacon of fair, open, inclusive Democracy - Israel - in no way runs an Militarised apartheid regime and absolutely never comitted ethnic cleansing or Stole land
    What has Israel's foreign and domestic policies to do with the post in question? (answer is nothing) The poster asks, what can be seen as, a daft question regarding Hizbullah. "Yeah but..." isn't really qualificable as an answer.


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  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Duiske wrote: »
    A wiki article quoting unnamed source's. And lol, do you even read what your quoting ?
    Yeah, I had to read that post a couple of times to see if I was missing something.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    What major attacks is Hezbollah responsible for?

    Hezbollah and its affiliates have planned or been linked to a lengthy series of terrorist attacks against the United States, Israel, and other Western targets. These attacks include:
    • a series of kidnappings of Westerners in Lebanon, including several Americans, in the 1980s; -Not International
    • the suicide truck bombings that killed more than two hundred U.S. Marines at their barracks in Beirut, Lebanon,erna in 1983; -Not International
    • the 1985 hijacking of TWA flight 847, which featured the famous footage of the plane's pilot leaning out of the cockpit with a gun to his head; - I'll give you that one.
    • two major 1990s attacks on Jewish targets in Argentina--the 1992 bombing of the Israeli Embassy (killing twenty-nine) and the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center (killing ninety-five). - The 94 one at least has been debiunked to my satisfaction by the same investagitive reporter as I'd linked to earlier re Bulgaria .


    Anyone not familiar with him should be, he is as good an investigative reporter as your likely to ever come across anywhere.

    Here is another good example of his debunking of war propoganda
    http://www.lobelog.com/fake-ap-graph-exposes-israeli-fraud-and-iaea-credulity/
    • a July 2006 raid on a border post in northern Israel in which two Israeli soldiers were taken captive. The abductions sparked an Israeli military campaign against Lebanon to which Hezbollah responded by firing rockets across the Lebanese border into Israel. - This clearly isn't terrorism and isn't even a factually correct account.
    So, 1 (and a half out of 5)

    D-


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 291 ✭✭Sixtus


    he 1985 hijacking of TWA flight 847, which featured the famous footage of the plane's pilot leaning out of the cockpit with a gun to his head; - I'll give you that one.

    You didn't bold that one.

    Remember the claim that started this off,
    wrote:
    asherbassad When have Hezbollah ever been involved or proven implicated in an act of international terrorism?

    So we can all agree that Hezbollah have been involved in at least one act of international terrorism.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Bulgarian Revelations Explode Hezbollah Bombing “Hypothesis”

    http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/02/bulgarian-revelations-explode-hezbollah-bombing-hypothesis/


    Netanyahu is such a lying, opportunist scumbag. He claimed that there was rocksolid evidence of Hezbollah's involvement. He couldn't care less about justice for the jews who were murderered.
    ”This is a global Iranian terror onslaught and Israel will react firmly to it…”all signs point to Iran”. said Israeli PM Netanyahu:

    The New York Times "breaking" the story 3 months later.

    Bulgaria Pulls Back on Blame for Hezbollah

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/06/world/europe/bulgaria-tempers-blame-for-hezbollah-in-bombing.html?src=recg


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