Boeing 737-900

airman737

Has a boeing 737-900 ever landed in dublin? I have never seen one. I'd love a photo if infact one has graced the runways of EIDW

saspeir

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Zonda999

The 739 hasn't sold particularly well, especially not in Europe, where the slightly larger A321 fare way better. A lot of the American carriers will be getting plenty of both the the 739 and the 739MAX in the next ten years though, mainly to replace the 757 which is very commonly used on domestic routes in the US. The 739 is a good replacement for the 752 in this respect.

However, the 739 and 739MAX even, dont quite have the range of the 757-200 though, so I doubt we'll be seeing too many of the American carriers operating them on many of the thin European routes that the 757-200 currently operates. (Think Dublin and Shannon, for example) The 787-8 is the evolutionary successor to the 757 I guess (As in medium sized plane with a big range) but you cant help but think the phasing out of the 757 will question the viability of many of the thin European routes that the 757 operates. I guess though, that the American carriers that are getting the 739 will re-position their existing 757's (That are not too old at that point) to tranatlantic operation when they can which will mean we shouldn't see the ending of such routes in the next 5-7 years anyway. And anyways, the American carriers certainly get long life from their planes. Some of the American Airlines 767-300's that serve many transatlantic routes are from 1988 and older!!

airman737

thanks for the replies folks. It really didn't "take off" here in europe, with all the travelling i've done over the years I have never seen one in the flesh!

ohigg84

Sky Express Airlines from Turkey have a few 739ER's, as does Turkish Airlines.
Turkish deploy them on the African routes.

ohigg84

Zonda999 wrote: »

The 739 hasn't sold particularly well, especially not in Europe, where the slightly larger A321 fare way better. A lot of the American carriers will be getting plenty of both the the 739 and the 739MAX in the next ten years though, mainly to replace the 757 which is very commonly used on domestic routes in the US. The 739 is a good replacement for the 752 in this respect.

However, the 739 and 739MAX even, dont quite have the range of the 757-200 though, so I doubt we'll be seeing too many of the American carriers operating them on many of the thin European routes that the 757-200 currently operates. (Think Dublin and Shannon, for example) The 787-8 is the evolutionary successor to the 757 I guess (As in medium sized plane with a big range) but you cant help but think the phasing out of the 757 will question the viability of many of the thin European routes that the 757 operates. I guess though, that the American carriers that are getting the 739 will re-position their existing 757's (That are not too old at that point) to tranatlantic operation when they can which will mean we shouldn't see the ending of such routes in the next 5-7 years anyway. And anyways, the American carriers certainly get long life from their planes. Some of the American Airlines 767-300's that serve many transatlantic routes are from 1988 and older!!

Well with the A321NEO being developed, there is a possibility of us seeing 737s being deployed on 'over the pond' routes..

ohigg84

Zonda999 wrote: »

The 739 hasn't sold particularly well, especially not in Europe, where the slightly larger A321 fare way better. A lot of the American carriers will be getting plenty of both the the 739 and the 739MAX in the next ten years though, mainly to replace the 757 which is very commonly used on domestic routes in the US. The 739 is a good replacement for the 752 in this respect.

However, the 739 and 739MAX even, dont quite have the range of the 757-200 though, so I doubt we'll be seeing too many of the American carriers operating them on many of the thin European routes that the 757-200 currently operates. (Think Dublin and Shannon, for example) The 787-8 is the evolutionary successor to the 757 I guess (As in medium sized plane with a big range) but you cant help but think the phasing out of the 757 will question the viability of many of the thin European routes that the 757 operates. I guess though, that the American carriers that are getting the 739 will re-position their existing 757's (That are not too old at that point) to tranatlantic operation when they can which will mean we shouldn't see the ending of such routes in the next 5-7 years anyway. And anyways, the American carriers certainly get long life from their planes. Some of the American Airlines 767-300's that serve many transatlantic routes are from 1988 and older!!

airman737 wrote: »

thanks for the replies folks. It really didn't "take off" here in europe, with all the travelling i've done over the years I have never seen one in the flesh!

Well KLM operate a few -900s! Thats all really, -900 has been a poor seller, much the same as the -600! Other big operators are Alaskan Airlines and Korean Air!

Zonda999

ohigg84 wrote: »

Well with the A321NEO being developed, there is a possibility of us seeing 737s being deployed on 'over the pond' routes..

The range of a 757-200 with winglets is 4,100 nautical miles. The projected range of the 739MAX is 3,595 miles. That 600 miles makes a crucial difference there.

I can't find a quoted figure from Airbus on the projected range of the A321eno's range but I would think it would be a similar figure. Given that the odd time, the 757 has operational issues, requiring a stop in Bangor or wherever, that doesn't bode well for the A321NEO or the 739MAX. These planes have hardly no carge capabilities anyway, which I believe is a big enough money spinner on many airlines T/A op's

robclay26

airman737 wrote: »

Has a boeing 737-900 ever landed in dublin? I have never seen one. I'd love a photo if infact one has graced the runways of EIDW

I Am open to correction if one did land in Dublin, im pretty sure it happened. Futura airlines before they closed had 2 737-900er's both brand new. I k ow they visited Cork. I think Dublin got one. They didn't last long with Futura as for they lessed them to Neos in Belguim and then Futura closed

APM

Boeing say the B739 is the successor to the B757.

The reason being they reckon there is only about 50 757's currently operating across the ocean, and these are relatively young 757s, which have plenty of life in them. This is only a very small percentage of all 757's operating and the rest of the routes 757s are operating are all within the range of the 737-9 max. They say there is 1000 of those operating at present....and the 737-9 max will do it more economically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fo9D1CBGZA

castie

APM wrote: »

Boeing say the B739 is the successor to the B757.

The reason being they reckon there is only about 50 757's currently operating across the ocean, and these are relatively young 757s, which have plenty of life in them. This is only a very small percentage of all 757's operating and the rest of the routes 757s are operating are all within the range of the 737-9 max. They say there is 1000 of those operating at present....and the 737-9 max will do it more economically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fo9D1CBGZA

Doesnt the 757 have issues with strong headwinds and needs to refuel to make it across? If I am correct I would think the 739 would be in a worse position.

APM

they don't intend the 739 to do crossings.

bkehoe

APM wrote: »

they don't intend the 739 to do crossings.

Indeed, while chatting to a Boeing salesperson at Farnborough last week they specifically said that the 737 Max will not be aimed at trans atlantic ops; even with the range increase it's still not enough. The actual design of the 737Max reduces the amount of cargo that can be carried as well making it even less viable for these routes that tend to have a good load of cargo.

The A321neo is the only potential 757 replacement for the shorter North Atlantic routes.

Zonda999

bkehoe wrote: »

The A321neo is the only potential 757 replacement for the shorter North Atlantic routes.

But surely the standard A321neo wont have that greater range, if any than the 739MAX?

I've seen some mutterings of Airbus making some sort of version with extended range but mutterings mean nothing in the airline industry surely. I believe Boeing that the market for narrow body with transatlantic capability would be small. As much as from an Irish point of view, a 757 replacement would be great, I'm not sure it will happen. An A321neo variant is the last hope for one