Front 2 teeth missing - Dental Implant options

conroym7

Hi all,

I've lost my front two teeth while playing football, Im 20 and Dont smoke and the rest of my teeth are in good condition.

My dentist has advised the best option is to get dental implants which will set me back about 5000 according to him. I've been searching Google all week and the other option i can see is going to Budapest which is working out about 1800 for the same procedure and then flights & hotel on top of that.

has anyone got any suggestions or advice? I've to go back on the 13th August to get a plate inserted for the time being until i decided on whether to go ahead with the dental implants or not.

Any advice is welcome,
Cheers,
Micheal

Oral Surgeon

conroym7 wrote: »

Hi all,

I've lost my front two teeth while playing football, Im 20 and Dont smoke and the rest of my teeth are in good condition.

My dentist has advised the best option is to get dental implants which will set me back about 5000 according to him. I've been searching Google all week and the other option i can see is going to Budapest which is working out about 1800 for the same procedure and then flights & hotel on top of that.

has anyone got any suggestions or advice? I've to go back on the 13th August to get a plate inserted for the time being until i decided on whether to go ahead with the dental implants or not.

Any advice is welcome,
Cheers,
Micheal

Sorry to hear op.
Your options:
A gap- not good
A denture- ok as a temporary but you won't like it...
A bridge, can look good but not as good as implants. The bridge is supported by the adjacent teeth, these need some preparation to accommodate the bridge so this is not ideal if the teeth are sound at present...
Implants- in a trauma case such as yours, you will likely need 2 implants placed with bone grafting to bulk the area and improve the aesthetics and longevity of the implants. Following a period of healing, the implants are uncovered and the crowns made and placed on top.

Implants are expensive, probably just shy of 5000 for your job in Ireland. It is only after going through the treatment (correctly) that you see where the money goes, long surgical visits, expensive implants bone and membrane, suture removals, check ups, multiple crown impressions, try ins and fittings and checks....
Sure it can be done cheaper, but in order to do that, the clinic must cut on the quality of the materials or labwork, the duration or number of visits... Etc
This job should last a long time if done right but is a nightmare if corners are cut.

Good luck,
Os

btkm8unsl0w5r4

You have only one chance to do implants right OP. Dental tourism is not a good idea and you can research that for yourself, but your brain god gave you will have told you that already. Implants are complex treatment needing a lot of planning and visits for optimal long term results. Expect to either live with a denture or pay to do the job properly. Quality dental work is necessarily expensive, to it right or don't do it at all. PM me for recommendations.

mufcboy1999

sorry to hear that OP !

Identical case to yourself, early 20s and Lost my front 2 teeth playing football nearly 3 years ago. Iv been giving implants a lot of taught lately and im going to book an appointment

JayWalsh

I lost three front teeth on the top row and one on the bottom row and i also broke two other teeth when i crashed my bike coming down a hill back in April.
I am currently wearing dentures, and i cant stand them. I would love to get implants.
I also have a few questions.

Is there any specialists around Waterford?
I was told 3 grand per implant, is this really true?

Thanks

Jay

btkm8unsl0w5r4

JayWalsh wrote: »

Is there any specialists around Waterford?

Yep there is one there and one in kilkenny and a few in cork.

JayWalsh wrote: »

I was told 3 grand per implant, is this really true?

Can be depends on the dentist/specialist and if there is a need for bone grafting which in most trauma cases there is, it depends really.

JayWalsh

Thanks for reply,

I'll check out and see if they have websites.

cloneslad

I lost my front one when I ran into the back of an opposite players head when I was 15 or so. I had a denture until I got my implant finished last month. I'm 28 now.


Dentures are horrible, I love having an implant.

Was it expensive? yes

Was it painful? no

Was it worth it? yes

Would I recommend it? yes

If you have the cash, get them. If not, save until you have it, then get them.

A denture is prob going to cost you €300 or more anyway. Though you'll most likely have to get one of these anyway, while you await the implant.

Also, do a lot of research on what method will be used....and don't get it done abroad. I had about 5-6 visits to the dentist while getting mine done, I have another next week, just to check up on it. My implant was placed 8 months before the crown was put on. I had a fitting / colour matching session for the crown, and then waited 5 weeks to get it back. How would you get that service with a once off visit to Hungary / Bulgaria / Poland etc?

Oral Surgeon

cloneslad wrote: »

I lost my front one when I ran into the back of an opposite players head when I was 15 or so. I had a denture until I got my implant finished last month. I'm 28 now.


Dentures are horrible, I love having an implant.

Was it expensive? yes

Was it painful? no

Was it worth it? yes

Would I recommend it? yes

If you have the cash, get them. If not, save until you have it, then get them.

A denture is prob going to cost you €300 or more anyway. Though you'll most likely have to get one of these anyway, while you await the implant.

Also, do a lot of research on what method will be used....and don't get it done abroad. I had about 5-6 visits to the dentist while getting mine done, I have another next week, just to check up on it. My implant was placed 8 months before the crown was put on. I had a fitting / colour matching session for the crown, and then waited 5 weeks to get it back. How would you get that service with a once off visit to Hungary / Bulgaria / Poland etc?

Sound advice Cloneslad

JayWalsh

Thanks again for advice and replies.

I am definitely getting it done at home, its a serious procedure and i have only one mouth, no disrespect to foreign dentists.

I am looking at one website for a clinic in Dublin and they do an implant bridge which is for three or more teeth @ 1500 quid per unit.
Does this mean that the three teeth go in as one unit/implant and costs 1500 or does it mean there is three separate implants and cost 1500 each?

btkm8unsl0w5r4

3 units or teeth at 1500 a unit that's 4500 in total, thats 2 implants with three teeth on them, it's the normal thing to do.

mufcboy1999

i cant say the dentist but there's a place in cork that are doing implants for 1200 including the crown, the cheapest by far.

google is your friend

btkm8unsl0w5r4

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

i cant say the dentist but there's a place in cork that are doing implants for 1200 including the crown, the cheapest by far.

google is your friend

If you want an alpha bio impant ( for which spare part are difficult to source, I have tried) and easterneuropian cheap as possible fast as possible lab work then you certainly get it as cheap as you want.some things however should not be tendered to the lowest bidder, a feck up with an Implant will be very hard if not impossible to fix. I would be cautious of recommending places you have not been or had treatment, you know only the price and nothing else. When it comes to medical procedures google is not your friend, certainly if all your interested is price over value.

JayWalsh

Sound Lads.

mufcboy1999

Sonny Rotten Drop wrote: »

If you want an alpha bio impant ( for which spare part are difficult to source, I have tried) and easterneuropian cheap as possible fast as possible lab work then you certainly get it as cheap as you want.some things however should not be tendered to the lowest bidder, a feck up with an Implant will be very hard if not impossible to fix. I would be cautious of recommending places you have not been or had treatment, you know only the price and nothing else. When it comes to medical procedures google is not your friend, certainly if all your interested is price over value.

there offering a lifetime warranty with them though? its not implants in one day , you'd get the implants and return 3 to 6 months later for the rest.

i dont think because there cheap , it necessarily means its going to be a bad job. You could pay the usual 2-3k for an implant and that could be just as bad or just as good.

Zardoz

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

there offering a lifetime warranty with them though? its not implants in one day , you'd get the implants and return 3 to 6 months later for the rest.

i dont think because there cheap , it necessarily means its going to be a bad job. You could pay the usual 2-3k for an implant and that could be just as bad or just as good.

The dentist who does the implants is an oral surgeon ,he is an expert in implants having a masters in Implantology .
He is extremely highly qualified .

I have to agree with the experts on here, if you go away for work and something did go wrong, it will cost more in the long run, extra flights hotel stays etc. Not to mention the stress and worry.

I know the prices in Ireland seem very high, but you wont have to fork out half as much if anything were to go wrong.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

I would not advise, knowing what I know, that anyone get the cheapest implant they can, you simply cannot give it the time, materials and lab resources necessary at very low cost. The implant, component and lab fees alone for me are more than 1200euro, why? because I choose to use superior quality materials and take longer to do the treatment. Ask to see pictures of previous cases with specific emphasis on the gums. You will find that people who are expert will charge more because they take a lot more time. Often those charging more make less profit as the materials inserted into your mouth cost more. Also look at the fine print of any guarantees, you will find they are not as ironclad as you would think. Also a guarantee is only as long as the dentist is around and in business.

mufcboy1999

Jake1 wrote: »

I have to agree with the experts on here, if you go away for work and something did go wrong, it will cost more in the long run, extra flights hotel stays etc. Not to mention the stress and worry.

I know the prices in Ireland seem very high, but you wont have to fork out half as much if anything were to go wrong.

It's in cork mate not abroad, there doing it for half price for a few months !

@fitzgeme ... There doing a special promotion though that usually costs the same as any other practise in the country.

I understand what your saying but I genuineally think its a great offer and one Iv got to take.

Did you see what zardoz said about the surgeon ? I doubt he's a cowboy in fairness

btkm8unsl0w5r4

If he can make money doing implants half price there are corners being cut or there will be whole scale upselling. I for one wouldn't take that kind of risk. Some things in life are just not bargains, butting eastern europian clone implants into my jaw bones is simple not a compromise I would make. If I could get good lab work and implants at half price from eastern europe I would, but I cant.

Seriously ask to see the photos of case, actual cases done by the people doing your work. If there are no photos them walk away, if the teeth look weird walk away. I would be interested to see how the consultation goes for you. From their webswite "there is really nothing to worry about the implant procedure as it is absolutely pain free. A single implant is placed in 15 minutes and is done under local anaesthesia" 15 minutes my god, these are being lashed in, would take my surgeon 90 minutes, it take 15 minutes just to scrub up at the the instruments in a sterile field. Look past the price see the truth.

BTW that special promotion is going on since they opened 12 months ago, so unless they haven't done 60 implants yet its just a marketing tool. Your mind is made up, you want a Ferrari for Ford money and think you have found it, time will tell. Last chap on this forum plugging these ridiculous cheap implant from a clinic in Dublin (more expensive than these ones) wouldn't show us his after pictures, and that clinic have since gone out of business and everyone involved has scarpered.

You will get what you pay for I am afraid.

cloneslad

If you want, I can post pictures of my implant.

My gum is still healing as he said he wanted to make it look a bit better. I will post up a few during and right after pictures, when I get a chance.

It cost me over €2,500 to get mine.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

cloneslad wrote: »

If you want, I can post pictures of my implant.

My gum is still healing as he said he wanted to make it look a bit better. I will post up a few during and right after pictures, when I get a chance.

It cost me over €2,500 to get mine.

Sounds good, list out the appointments so readers can see whats involved.

mufcboy1999

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

It's in cork mate not abroad, there doing it for half price for a few months !


oops, didnt see that bit

Dianthus

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

there offering a lifetime warranty with them though?

It's a lifetime manufacturers' warranty, not a warranty for your own lifetime. No dentist can provide that.

Also, as FitzGeme said earlier- read the fine print. Namely, to remain eligible for the terms of said warranty, you must:
1/ Attend for dental checkups as recommended by the practice
2/ Maintain your account in good standing (ie: no bad debts, no late payments, ect)
3/ Have all recommended dental treatment performed by dentists at that particular practice.

So if perchance you miss a checkup, miss a payment, decline any recommended treatment, or happen to see another dentist outside the practice for treatment, who knows where your warranty will stand.....

I'm all for researching via Google, but seriously, do not underestimate the complexity of placing& restoring a dental implant. In the right hands it's a straightforward procedure, in the wrong hands it can be disastrous. An implant is titanium root placed in your jawbone, if this was your hip or your knee you were replacing, would you be researching for cutprice/halfprice surgeons? What makes your mouth less valuable to you?

mufcboy1999

Lads none of us know what this dentist is like, there's no point in assuming its going to be a good or bad job because of the price.

A poster above said he's great and another offered to provide pictures. I understand where your coming from and I will research it fully but in the mean time a consultation wouldn't hurt and like i said 2200 for the 2 implants I need is a great offer and this dentist won't be doing it for ever. Yes it could be a bad job but I plan on asking my local dentist what he thinks of the offer and treatment I get offered.

I appeiciate the info but I just think we are taking a swipe in a dark room just because the price is cheap. I doubt if the price was normal people would be doubting the practise.

Oral Surgeon

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Lads none of us know what this dentist is like, there's no point in assuming its going to be a good or bad job because of the price.

A poster above said he's great and another offered to provide pictures. I understand where your coming from and I will research it fully but in the mean time a consultation wouldn't hurt and like i said 2200 for the 2 implants I need is a great offer and this dentist won't be doing it for ever. Yes it could be a bad job but I plan on asking my local dentist what he thinks of the offer and treatment I get offered.

I appeiciate the info but I just think we are taking a swipe in a dark room just because the price is cheap. I doubt if the price was normal people would be doubting the practise.

Ok you know best

btkm8unsl0w5r4

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Lads none of us know what this dentist is like, there's no point in assuming its going to be a good or bad job because of the price.

A poster above said he's great and another offered to provide pictures. I understand where your coming from and I will research it fully but in the mean time a consultation wouldn't hurt and like i said 2200 for the 2 implants I need is a great offer and this dentist won't be doing it for ever. Yes it could be a bad job but I plan on asking my local dentist what he thinks of the offer and treatment I get offered.

I appeiciate the info but I just think we are taking a swipe in a dark room just because the price is cheap. I doubt if the price was normal people would be doubting the practise.

Ok first your putting out the recommendations without ever having been, second clonasad is not going to this place, third some of us have a lot more info on this than you ( I am an Impant specialist for god sake), fourth if you dentist opinion matters then ask for a referral to somebody good, fifth 2 bad implants will be bad forever unless they fall out, sixth I know the economics of implant treatment, the reason we are skeptical is because of the price, couldn't give a hoot where the dentists are from.

I have a feeling your going to get the teeth you pay for. I know how much treatment is needed for this work, and it's more than 1200 euro worth, best no job than a bad one. That the end of my advice, ye have been warned.

cloneslad

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Lads none of us know what this dentist is like, there's no point in assuming its going to be a good or bad job because of the price.

A poster above said he's great and another offered to provide pictures. I understand where your coming from and I will research it fully but in the mean time a consultation wouldn't hurt and like i said 2200 for the 2 implants I need is a great offer and this dentist won't be doing it for ever. Yes it could be a bad job but I plan on asking my local dentist what he thinks of the offer and treatment I get offered.

I appeiciate the info but I just think we are taking a swipe in a dark room just because the price is cheap. I doubt if the price was normal people would be doubting the practise.

As fitz said, I didn't use a dentist in cork, I've never even been to cork! I actually spoke to fitz via pm prior tI going ahead with my treatment as I wanted an unbiased opinion. He wouldn't even shill out his own practice, despite me asking him about it.

The guys on this forum don't care if you go to a dentist in cork, Dublin, Galway or Timbuktu. They aren't trying to get you to use their service, they are trying to give good, unbiased, sound advice to help prevent people from making errors!

I don't know, or care, what this cork dentist is like, but if it's a mess up of and implant, you'll be spending about 10 grand to fix it......if it can be fixed!

I was told before that there are different types of implants, some of the older ones left the implant a little exposed, causing that rotten smell in your mouth, and food could get trapped in it.

I can't put up photos at the minute, cos I'm on my phone, I'll try do it tomorrow after work!

By the way, my schedule was

May- speak to my dentist
June - speak to a specialist about my options
Next few montha researching
September - consultation with a specialist
October - x ray and check up
October - review of mouth and x ray with specialist
November - implant placed
November - stitches removed and check up, with x ray
February - x ray and check up
March - mouth cut open, and plug placed to allow gum form around it
April - check up
May - check up and crown assessment, match and moulds taken
July - crown placed, bit more work done on gum
August - check up

There should have been a few more appointments in there to remove stitches but I just let them fall out naturally, as I didn't have the time to
go in all the time

Dianthus

[Quote=cloneslad There should have been a few more appointments in there to remove stitches but I just let them fall out naturally, as I didn't have the time to
go in all the time[/Quote]
11 visits over the course of a year, monthly checks to keep an eye on things....that's some service!

cloneslad

Dianthus wrote: »

11 visits over the course of a year, monthly checks to keep an eye on things....that's some service!

They wouldn't even let me get it in when I was younger because I was playing a lot more rugby and Gaelic and they said I may end up being stupid and wrecking it.

Since I've stopped travelling around, and moved back to Ireland, play less sport, and always wear a gum shield, they said they'd do it.

My dentist does operate a successful business, but he also takes pride in the work being carried out there. If it's not going to work, he won't do it.

mufcboy1999

You may have all just convinced me, I'm going to talk to my bank in a bit for a loan. Iv got a grand saved already for them so I'm going to apply for 4000 , should have enough within 5k ?

My dentist is brilliant the only reason I was thinking of cork was because of the price and I taught it was Irish owned but it seems to be an eastern European crowd who like said could up sticks and leave at any time.

Also Just on a side note, is it ok to box with implants with a gumshield ? Iv been reading about it a bit and it says the implant/crown is as good as a real tooth and won't come out easy.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Iv been reading about it a bit and it says the implant/crown is as good as a real tooth and won't come out easy.

A common question, basically anything that would damage a real tooth would damage an implant but they are very durable. Dont worry about the implant any more than you worry about the real teeth either side of it. 5k would cover even the most complex case really, if you want a reccomendation of a clinic in cork PM me, I know a really good guy down there.

cloneslad

Some of the images I said I'd upload. I have one from when I was in the dentists chair, after getting the implant placed last November, but it's in my old phone and I don't have access to the picture at the moment.

The first one here is from after I got the implant, but was on the morning before I got the crown placed.

You can see the denture on my left front tooth. There was a fake bit of pink 'gum' above the tooth, as I had quite an indentation in my gum.



This is the implant from behind the tooth. The metal part is visible where it goes into the implant. Not sure if this is the same with every system. I had to put my phone in my mouth to take that picture.




This is also after the crown had been placed. You can see a small chip in my natural tooth, to the left (as you're looking at it) of the implant. I grind my teeth while I sleep, I'll be getting my night guard moulded next week, when I get my check up.




A side view of the tooth





I thought I'd show it from as many angles as possible