TSM Music and Modern Irish

iLikePiano99

Hey everyone

So I'm heading into 6th year this year and trying to research some of the courses I'm interested in before the start of the year.

Basically I want to know - can the TSM Music and Modern Irish course allow you to teach in a secondary school? Like after a HDip? Greatly appreciated if someone could clear this up for me!

And for anyone who has done Modern Irish in Trinity...preferably as part of TSM - what is it like? Is everything through irish (I assume so but just thought I'd double check) and are the lecturers good? What sort of stuff do you study?

Thanks for any help

gutenberg

iLikePiano99 wrote: »

Hey everyone

So I'm heading into 6th year this year and trying to research some of the courses I'm interested in before the start of the year.

Basically I want to know - can the TSM Music and Modern Irish course allow you to teach in a secondary school? Like after a HDip? Greatly appreciated if someone could clear this up for me!

And for anyone who has done Modern Irish in Trinity...preferably as part of TSM - what is it like? Is everything through irish (I assume so but just thought I'd double check) and are the lecturers good? What sort of stuff do you study?

Thanks for any help

http://www.teachingcouncil.ie/_fileupload/Registration/AutoQuals/Autoquals%20updated%203rd%20February%202012.pdf

Have a look here - it lists the requirements for recognising degrees and suitable teaching subjects; on a preliminary survey, it would seem that TSM would qualify you as you will have studied both subjects for at least three years, and as they are studied 50:50 until you reach fourth year, you also fulfill the criteria that the subject has to take up at least 30% of your credits.

If you are interested in teaching, have you checked out TCD's Music Education course?

iLikePiano99

gutenberg wrote: »

iLikePiano99 wrote: »

Hey everyone

So I'm heading into 6th year this year and trying to research some of the courses I'm interested in before the start of the year.

Basically I want to know - can the TSM Music and Modern Irish course allow you to teach in a secondary school? Like after a HDip? Greatly appreciated if someone could clear this up for me!

And for anyone who has done Modern Irish in Trinity...preferably as part of TSM - what is it like? Is everything through irish (I assume so but just thought I'd double check) and are the lecturers good? What sort of stuff do you study?

Thanks for any help

http://www.teachingcouncil.ie/_fileupload/Registration/AutoQuals/Autoquals%20updated%203rd%20February%202012.pdf

Have a look here - it lists the requirements for recognising degrees and suitable teaching subjects; on a preliminary survey, it would seem that TSM would qualify you as you will have studied both subjects for at least three years, and as they are studied 50:50 until you reach fourth year, you also fulfill the criteria that the subject has to take up at least 30% of your credits.

If you are interested in teaching, have you checked out TCD's Music Education course?

Thanks for the reply I knew about the Music Ed. course but never really looked into it because I heard that it's better to have more than one subject in order to teach in secondary schools - With Music Ed, you only have music. Thanks for the link also. Good to know that TSM qualifies me!

languagenerd

Hey,

Yes, you can currently do a HDip after TSM.

(BTW I assume that credits thing means ECTs for the four years, and not the 1000 degree-credits in TCD... so many different ways of calculating things!)

With Music Ed., you don't have to do a HDip because after the four years, you're already a qualified teacher. With TSM, you would need to do the HDip after you finish your degree.

gutenberg

iLikePiano99 wrote: »

Thanks for the reply I knew about the Music Ed. course but never really looked into it because I heard that it's better to have more than one subject in order to teach in secondary schools - With Music Ed, you only have music. Thanks for the link also. Good to know that TSM qualifies me!

At one time, students taking Music Ed could also take courses in history, so that they were qualified to teach history as well. I don't know if that's still the same though, might be worth checking out.

iLikePiano99

gutenberg wrote: »

At one time, students taking Music Ed could also take courses in history, so that they were qualified to teach history as well. I don't know if that's still the same though, might be worth checking out.

Thanks for the info. Yeah, my music teacher in school did that course (she teaches history as well) but unfortunately, I don't do history for the LC and I don't have an interest in the subject. I really want to do music with irish or music with french.

gutenberg

iLikePiano99 wrote: »

Thanks for the info. Yeah, my music teacher in school did that course (she teaches history as well) but unfortunately, I don't do history for the LC and I don't have an interest in the subject. I really want to do music with irish or music with french.

Ah fair enough, it was just as another potential option Best of luck with it.

iLikePiano99

gutenberg wrote: »

iLikePiano99 wrote: »

Thanks for the info. Yeah, my music teacher in school did that course (she teaches history as well) but unfortunately, I don't do history for the LC and I don't have an interest in the subject. I really want to do music with irish or music with french.

Ah fair enough, it was just as another potential option Best of luck with it.

Thank you!

tomissex

I did Modern Irish in TSM and I'll be starting my H.Dip in September. It's a great course, I really loved it. It's a small enough department so all the lecturers get to know the students which is really nice. There are a lot of literature modules over the 4 years (you can pick your 3rd and 4th year modules), grammar/translation classes, you also start studying Scots Gaelic in 2nd year which is really interesting. And yes everything is through Irish

StrawberryJazz

iLikePiano99 wrote: »

Thanks for the info. Yeah, my music teacher in school did that course (she teaches history as well) but unfortunately, I don't do history for the LC and I don't have an interest in the subject. I really want to do music with irish or music with french.

Bmuseds don't do history anymore. There is a new better course in place.
Instead of 3-4v years of 'complementary' modules that don't do anything in your final year you take a pedagogy class in a subject of your choice (not including music or science). Most popular are religion, English and modern languages.

Bottom line - how many music jobs do you see advertised? If there is one going the school are probably most interested in a person who has studied how to teach music for 4 years.
If you want to be a music teacher - do B.Mus.Ed
If you want to be an Irish teacher - do Irish.
If you want to be an academic music researcher type - do Music (or Music tsm). The course is very academic and not at all performance/education orientated.

iLikePiano99

tomissex wrote: »

I did Modern Irish in TSM and I'll be starting my H.Dip in September. It's a great course, I really loved it. It's a small enough department so all the lecturers get to know the students which is really nice. There are a lot of literature modules over the 4 years (you can pick your 3rd and 4th year modules), grammar/translation classes, you also start studying Scots Gaelic in 2nd year which is really interesting. And yes everything is through Irish

Thanks for the reply!

If you don't mind me asking, what subject did you do with Modern Irish? And do you know whether the Modern Irish course in TSM is very different in comparison to just Irish on it's own (if there is such a course...I think I read about it somewhere ) And what are the literature modules like? Are they hard/boring? because I really don't like the Prose we have to do for the LC but I like reading Irish novels...just not the LC stories - they're so boring and pointless in my opinion. Oh, and what type of examinations are there? Like, what are they based on? Prose, poetry, essays? And did you get to spend much time in the Gaeltacht? Is that part of the course?

Sorry for all the questions! I just really want to find out about the course.

tomissex

iLikePiano99 wrote: »

Thanks for the reply!

If you don't mind me asking, what subject did you do with Modern Irish? And do you know whether the Modern Irish course in TSM is very different in comparison to just Irish on it's own (if there is such a course...I think I read about it somewhere ) And what are the literature modules like? Are they hard/boring? because I really don't like the Prose we have to do for the LC but I like reading Irish novels...just not the LC stories - they're so boring and pointless in my opinion. Oh, and what type of examinations are there? Like, what are they based on? Prose, poetry, essays? And did you get to spend much time in the Gaeltacht? Is that part of the course?

Sorry for all the questions! I just really want to find out about the course.

I took it with Spanish. There is a seperate Irish course - Irish Studies but you study it with Early Irish. I don't really know much about it, sorry!
They're tough to be honest, some novels, some books of short stories (nothing like the LC ones though) but if you actually take the time to read the novel and enjoy the language they're really interesting! In 4th year we had the option of module where we studied Irish translations of novels so we looked at Harry Potter, Alice in Wonderland, Pinocchio and loads more. It was probably my favourite class. Every module is examined so you'd have an exam for your first term literature/history/whatever modules and then one for your second term ones. Then you'd have a grammar paper as well - essay, translate a text from Irish to English and one from English to Irish.

You can see all the Modern modules here:
http://www.tcd.ie/Irish/courses/undergraduate/early-modern.php#jfmodern

If you study a language, you're required to spend at least 3 weeks in the area of that language. So yes, you'll have to go to the Gaeltacht but it's up to you to get there basically.

iLikePiano99

tomissex wrote: »

I took it with Spanish. There is a seperate Irish course - Irish Studies but you study it with Early Irish. I don't really know much about it, sorry!
They're tough to be honest, some novels, some books of short stories (nothing like the LC ones though) but if you actually take the time to read the novel and enjoy the language they're really interesting! In 4th year we had the option of module where we studied Irish translations of novels so we looked at Harry Potter, Alice in Wonderland, Pinocchio and loads more. It was probably my favourite class. Every module is examined so you'd have an exam for your first term literature/history/whatever modules and then one for your second term ones. Then you'd have a grammar paper as well - essay, translate a text from Irish to English and one from English to Irish.

You can see all the Modern modules here:
http://www.tcd.ie/Irish/courses/undergraduate/early-modern.php#jfmodern

If you study a language, you're required to spend at least 3 weeks in the area of that language. So yes, you'll have to go to the Gaeltacht but it's up to you to get there basically.

That's great! Thank you so much for the information. Really helps. I especially like the idea of that class you mentioned where you got to read Harry Potter, and Pinnochio and things like that - I'm actually reading the Irish version of Harry Potter at the moment so that sounds good! I love the gaeltacht too so it's great that it is a requirement to go there for the course. Thanks again for the reply. Really appreciate it!

languagenerd

tomissex wrote: »

If you study a language, you're required to spend at least 3 weeks in the area of that language. So yes, you'll have to go to the Gaeltacht but it's up to you to get there basically.

8 weeks, not 3!

iLikePiano99

languagenerd wrote: »

8 weeks, not 3!

In the one year?! Or over the 4 years. Can you do like 3 weeks one year and 3 another etc. ?

tomissex

iLikePiano99 wrote: »

languagenerd wrote: »

8 weeks, not 3!

In the one year?! Or over the 4 years. Can you do like 3 weeks one year and 3 another etc. ?

Sorry, don't know why I hit 3! Yeah over the course of the degree so you can do bits and pieces each summer/Xmas.

languagenerd

iLikePiano99 wrote: »

In the one year?! Or over the 4 years. Can you do like 3 weeks one year and 3 another etc. ?

Yeah, you can do it in blocks! For example, for French I did two 3-week trips, one 1-week trip and two long weekends. For Spanish, I did 2 weeks each in 1st and 2nd year, and I'm currently in Spain for the month to finish it off. It has to be done by the time you do your final exams in the language subject - so if you minor in Irish, you'll have to have it done by May of 3rd year, whereas if you major in it, you'll have to finish it by May of 4th year.

You have to provide evidence that you were there (anything like transport tickets, accomodation receipts, certificates, contracts, payslips, etc.).