Blackleg vaccine and Noromectin

munkus

Lads,

I want to do a few suckler calves with Covexin 8 (blackleg and 7 others) this weekend. Would it be ok to give them an injectable wormer, Noromectin at the same time as long as they are given on different sides?

Thanks.

Farmer Pudsey

I believe that it is ok I do it all the time and when housed give a fluke injection as well. By the way that normectin is expensive why not use a generic ivermectin such as bimectin or kilomec

Bodacious

I did.. Only thing is I used 5 ml of covexin 8 and each and every one of my calves has a good size lump on them ( clean needle, rubbed it well in etc) I'm going to go back to blackleg single vaccine next year I think to see would it reduce the lumps... They've yet to get 2ml booster shot and I'm dreading giving it to them :-) should I go same side or new injection site?!

dar31

it you are giving vaccines, always inject on the side of the animal to the inside of the crush. a bit awkward, but the vet will always use the near side for tb testing, dont want any lumps around the test site

munkus

Thanks Lads. I'll work away so, and hopefully there'll be no lumps!

Bizzum

munkus wrote: »

Lads,

I want to do a few suckler calves with Covexin 8 (blackleg and 7 others) this weekend. Would it be ok to give them an injectable wormer, Noromectin at the same time as long as they are given on different sides?

I do this routinely.

dar31 wrote: »

it you are giving vaccines, always inject on the side of the animal to the inside of the crush. a bit awkward

I find it much easier to inject on the off side of an animal in the crush. Am I strange?

flatout11

just give it in 2 locations and keep it clean - there is a handy adaption to the dosing gun for covexin allows for sterilisation of the needle between doses- had to go for covexin 10 this year lost 2 claves to sordelli :mad:

munkus

Sorry to hear that Flatout. Out of interest, what age were they and how did they contract it?

LostCovey

munkus wrote: »

Sorry to hear that Flatout. Out of interest, what age were they and how did they contract it?

Clostridium sordellii is a soil organism like the rest. It is one of eight or nine reasons to use a ten-in-one not straight Blackleg vaccine!

Injections of vaccine and copper under the skin should always go behind the shoulder, and leave the neck for TB testing - in case of lumps.

Injecting the far side is a good idea regardless of the above, because that will be the side that will kick!

LC

LostCovey

Bodacious wrote: »

I did.. Only thing is I used 5 ml of covexin 8 and each and every one of my calves has a good size lump on them ( clean needle, rubbed it well in etc) I'm going to go back to blackleg single vaccine next year I think to see would it reduce the lumps... They've yet to get 2ml booster shot and I'm dreading giving it to them :-) should I go same side or new injection site?!

Some advice I have found useful:

Buy a box of disposable syringes and disposable needles, and bin the needle after each one. If you get lumps after that they will go away.

Don't ever put the needle you have used in an animal back in the bottle - leave a needle in the bottle for drawing out vaccine.

Dump opened vaccine (wasteful, but if it gets contaminated in storage it is useless and harmful).

When talking about lumps and waste we have to remember why we are actually doing it.........

LC

flatout11

munkus wrote: »

Sorry to hear that Flatout. Out of interest, what age were they and how did they contract it?

12 weeks or so!!!!!!!

LostCovey wrote: »

Clostridium sordellii is a soil organism like the rest. It is one of eight or nine reasons to use a ten-in-one not straight Blackleg vaccine!

Injections of vaccine and copper under the skin should always go behind the shoulder, and leave the neck for TB testing - in case of lumps.

Injecting the far side is a good idea regardless of the above, because that will be the side that will kick!

LC

id agree 10 very good reasons,

LostCovey wrote: »

Some advice I have found useful:

Buy a box of disposable syringes and disposable needles, and bin the needle after each one. If you get lumps after that they will go away.

Don't ever put the needle you have used in an animal back in the bottle - leave a needle in the bottle for drawing out vaccine.

Dump opened vaccine (wasteful, but if it gets contaminated in storage it is useless and harmful).

When talking about lumps and waste we have to remember why we are actually doing it.........

LC

LC, re dumping the opened bottle i know what the product data sheet says, but if the contents remain sterile and are sealed what is the causes the breakdown of the vaccine or is it still effective - id imagine this wasnt high on the list of testing procudures???

LostCovey

flatout11 wrote: »

12 weeks or so!!!!!!!




id agree 10 very good reasons,






LC, re dumping the opened bottle i know what the product data sheet says, but if the contents remain sterile and are sealed what is the causes the breakdown of the vaccine or is it still effective - id imagine this wasnt high on the list of testing procudures???

The truth is - I forget. A slaes rep for one of these explained it to me once. It is not a sales pitch, he said that the klicencing costs are the reason they done produce more economic pack sizes - I was asking why they couldn't sell 100ml as 10 x 10ml, if dumping opened packs was essential.

he explained why, and I don't think it's just contamination from the needle, I think once you let air in (presumably with airborne bugs), then it starts to break down.

I wish I could remember the details I can't. if I meet him again, i will ask.

Sorry.

LC

flatout11

LostCovey wrote: »

The truth is - I forget. A slaes rep for one of these explained it to me once. It is not a sales pitch, he said that the klicencing costs are the reason they done produce more economic pack sizes - I was asking why they couldn't sell 100ml as 10 x 10ml, if dumping opened packs was essential.

he explained why, and I don't think it's just contamination from the needle, I think once you let air in (presumably with airborne bugs), then it starts to break down.

I wish I could remember the details I can't. if I meet him again, i will ask.

Sorry.

LC

probably not enough in it for them to do smaller pack sizes - ironically it would suit the irish market

munkus

Hi LC,

Thanks for the reply, very informative as usual. You mentioned injecting copper under the skin behind the shoulder, should that not be an intramuscular rather than under the skin or will either do?

Thanks!

Bizzum

munkus wrote: »

Hi LC,

Thanks for the reply, very informative as usual. You mentioned injecting copper under the skin behind the shoulder, should that not be an intramuscular rather than under the skin or will either do?

Thanks!

I think the injectable copper is gone off the market now. It's several years since I've used it anyway. It was easier in a way to administer than the bolus. If we felt an animal needed Cu badly we would give one of each.

munkus

Bizzum wrote: »

I think the injectable copper is gone off the market now. It's several years since I've used it anyway. It was easier in a way to administer than the bolus. If we felt an animal needed Cu badly we would give one of each.

Hi Bizzum,

It's still available, we use it every year.

Bizzum

munkus wrote: »

Hi Bizzum,

It's still available, we use it every year.

Good stuff. I assume we are talking about the same product, the individual 2ml pre-loaded syringes of copper?

LostCovey

I was talking about Coprin, the preloaded glass syringes - they went under the skin. I haven't sen them for a few years - not sure if they are still around.

Others go intramuscular - I didn't intend to mislead.

LC

pakalasa

I inject my Suckler cows with this copper injection every year before going in calf. Pull the skin to one side before injecting deep into the muscle. You won't get lumps then.
http://www.magentadirect.ie/proddetail.php?prod=MVE0033&cat=23

munkus

pakalasa wrote: »

I inject my Suckler cows with this copper injection every year before going in calf. Pull the skin to one side before injecting deep into the muscle. You won't get lumps then.
http://www.magentadirect.ie/proddetail.php?prod=MVE0033&cat=23

That's the one. We do the suckler cows and 2 year old stock on the way out of the shed. Our land must be lacking copper as they don't trive without it.

Bizzum

LostCovey wrote: »

I was talking about Coprin, the preloaded glass syringes - they went under the skin. I haven't sen them for a few years - not sure if they are still around.

It's Coprin I was talking about too. Does anyone know is it still on the market?

Must be a while since you used it LC if it was in a glass syringe:D?

LostCovey

Bizzum wrote: »

It's Coprin I was talking about too. Does anyone know is it still on the market?

Must be a while since you used it LC if it was in a glass syringe:D?

It's not really - maybe they weren't glass, but a very glassy plastic!