Paid by the 15 mins

Gillington

Sorry for the misleading thread title but couldnt think of how to word it,but was just wondering how this worked. A few jobs including my current one pay by the 15 mins worked in the hour,so if you worked an hour and 15 mins you get paid for that but if you worked an hour and 14 minutes you just get paid for the hour. Do many places do this and can you ask to get paid by the minute or anything else similar?

Victor

It's done to make people show up on time. If a process needs 5 people and only 4 are there on time, the employer loses out and perhaps has to pay overtime to another worker.

tatli_lokma

I've never heard of paying by the minute! that would be a nightmare to administer! Reducing an hourly rate to a per minute rate, and then having to calculate it would be horrible! And most payroll software won't even do it.

By 15 mins is quite normal and very reasonable. If you work 1 hr 14 mins, just take your time walking to the clocking in/out station! or go for a wee!

Victor

Little Ted wrote: »

I've never heard of paying by the minute! that would be a nightmare to administer! Reducing an hourly rate to a per minute rate, and then having to calculate it would be horrible! And most payroll software won't even do it

This is what computerised clock-in systems are for.

martomcg

I had a similar situation at a previous job except it was to the half hour. If we worked till 25 past we wouldn't get paid for the 25mins. They used to make us clock out before half past every day so the stores weekly budget of hours was not affected.

needless to say it wasn't long before things kicked off and we got paid for every minute we were there!

leeroybrown

Getting paid in 15 minute periods is fairly common in clock in systems. It's done to penalise people who turn up a few minutes late or leave a few minutes early every day. Nothing like it to ensure that people are available to work on time.

tatli_lokma

Victor wrote: »

This is what computerised clock-in systems are for.

As I said, most payroll COMPUTERISED software is set to minimum 10 minute intervals at least, 15 mins is more usual. The lowest interval I have ever seen was per 6 minute intervals. Just because a clock in system is computerised doesn't mean it is (or can be) set up to calculate per minute.

barney 20v

My work tracks us to the minute, but as we don't get paid overtime it does not effect us as such.
We have a time in lieu system that i think is unfairly biased to the employer though, if we have to work late we have to "give" the company the first hour for free- ie we don't accrue time in lieu until the 2nd hour starts. i think its wrong and unfair that we have to work for nothing.

markpb

barney 20v wrote: »

We have a time in lieu system that i think is unfairly biased to the employer though, if we have to work late we have to "give" the company the first hour for free- ie we don't accrue time in lieu until the 2nd hour starts. i think its wrong and unfair that we have to work for nothing.

I presume no-one works any overtime in protest then?

tatli_lokma

barney 20v wrote: »

My work tracks us to the minute.

all clock in systems can track in the exact minute you arrived and left...but its the incriments upon which it calculates wages that is usually in 6/10/12/15/30 mins.

barney 20v

Little Ted wrote: »

all clock in systems can track in the exact minute you arrived and left...but its the incriments upon which it calculates wages that is usually in 6/10/12/15/30 mins.

We are not on a wage system, we are all on a salary.
If i am late it deducts the exact amount from my time in lieu quota or from my annual holiday allowance

barney 20v

markpb wrote: »

I presume no-one works any overtime in protest then?

we generally don't have to work overtime, that said nobody here is one bit happy with the system and we are getting no where with getting it changed!

tatli_lokma

barney 20v wrote: »

We are not on a wage system, we are all on a salary.
If i am late it deducts the exact amount from my time in lieu quota or from my annual holiday allowance

yeah, so your clock/in out does not affect payroll as such, it affects entitlements. That is the way most are set up, but when the clock in/out affects your wage then from a payroll point of view it is usally in dictated incriments, not per minute. Its just easier for the system and less complicated in general.

Gillington

Cheers for the answers,I just presumed if it was computerised then it can be worked in minutes then 6/15/20 etc.

But I still think its a bit unfair on the employee,getting penalised for being 1/2/3 mins late but dont get paid for working for 14 mins of a 15 min pay increment if that makes sense.

There are usually 2 of us who finish at close of business daily,now generally we would finish at ten past the hour or a couple of mins after so in a 5 day week thats 50 mins of unpaid work per person which I find a bit unfair,we are one of the smallest branches so in bigger branches its morr then 2 staff.

fasttalkerchat

I thought everywhere was paid by the minute now. If you're on minimum wage why wouldn't you just walk out on the hour mark?

mitosis

A company is not allowed by law to round your time in the manner described. It happens all the time - 5 mins late is rounded to the next quarter hour so that if you work 7hr 55 minutes you get paid for 7hr 45min - but it is unlawful. You are supposed to be paid for every minute you work.

fasttalkerchat

I worked at one family run shop that didn't have a computerised system so you were just paid for what is said on the rota. Because the employer was a bit lax on payment the staff were lax on showing up on time. Didn't suit anyone.

Gillington

mitosis wrote: »

A company is not allowed by law to round your time in the manner described. It happens all the time - 5 mins late is rounded to the next quarter hour so that if you work 7hr 55 minutes you get paid for 7hr 45min - but it is unlawful. You are supposed to be paid for every minute you work.

Have you any links for this? Havent been able to find anythin exact

Idjit

Gillington wrote: »

Have you any links for this? Havent been able to find anythin exact

Yeah I'd also like a link for this. In my job I've to stay back after work for up to 20 minutes in order to witness cashing up and I don't get paid or reimbursed for that in any way.

fasttalkerchat

Jade182 wrote: »

Yeah I'd also like a link for this. In my job I've to stay back after work for up to 20 minutes in order to witness cashing up and I don't get paid or reimbursed for that in any way.

If you're not clocked in you are not responsible for any errors made under your supervision. If a lodgement is ballsed up or procedures skipped they can't say a word to you. They are also not insured should you injure yourself.

leeroybrown

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

If you're not clocked in you are not responsible for any errors made under your supervision. If a lodgement is ballsed up or procedures skipped they can't say a word to you. They are also not insured should you injure yourself.

That's not necessary true at all. If they've accepted that it's established practice that they remain unpaid (either on or off the clock) then they're very much responsible unless there's a local agreement to the contrary. The insurance would be a matter for the individual policy but in my experience the employee is still insured on premises regardless if on the clock or not.

fasttalkerchat

leeroybrown wrote: »

That's not necessary true at all. If they've accepted that it's established practice that they remain unpaid (either on or off the clock) then they're very much responsible unless there's a local agreement to the contrary. The insurance would be a matter for the individual policy but in my experience the employee is still insured on premises regardless if on the clock or not.

Where I work only clocked in staff members can be in staff only areas due to insurance reasons. If you leave your jacket in the office technically you should ask an employee to get it for you.
If there's no mention of working voluntarily in your contract then I would imagine you are not working at all when finish time comes.

Idjit

I haven't got my contract yet so I wouldn't know, though I've been there since last autumn.

Corruptedmorals

No better way to keep employees from being late AND save the employer money when people clock out at :58 and :14 past. Dunnes do this, it works well. It also means large crowds of staff waiting for the time on the clock-in machine to suit them!

mitosis

Gillington wrote: »

Have you any links for this? Havent been able to find anythin exact

I was verbally advised of this by the Dept of Enterprise a few years ago. I will try to find the legislation on-line.

I think this covers it

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1991/en/act/pub/0025/sec0005.html#sec5

Idjit

mitosis wrote: »

I was verbally advised of this by the Dept of Enterprise a few years ago. I will try to find the legislation on-line.

I think this covers it

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1991/en/act/pub/0025/sec0005.html#sec5

Thanks. Lots in there about the contract, guess I gotta wait to see mine!