Attempted rapist wants sentence postponed so he can have a holiday in the sun!

SocSocPol

Can you believe the neck of this cnut!

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-who-attempted-to-rape-escort-asks-court-for-time-to-go-on-family-holiday-558479.html

A father-of-four who ordered a woman to have sex with him at knife-point has been refused a request to delay sentencing so he could go on a family holiday in the sun.
The court heard that Rooney has 40 previous convictions

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

did she give him his money back?

ball

He ordered and escort, that would have sex with him at knife-point?

mikom

SocSocPol wrote: »

A father-of-four who ordered an escort to have sex with him at knife-point

Is he being tried for rape or shoplifting?

Pushtrak

The court heard that Rooney has 40 previous convictions and has struggled with alcohol problems.

Crazy.

Dangerous Man

Now, if this was a guard who attempted to rape the escort...

Sulla Felix

Dangerous Man wrote: »

Now, if this was a guard who attempted to rape the escort...

Don't get the reference, was a guard let go on holiday ?w

Pushtrak

Dangerous Man wrote: »

Now, if this was a guard who attempted to rape the escort...

Or a judge, or a teacher, or a priest, or a.... With positions of authority come certain expectations.

hondasam

The fact he has a family who want to go on holiday with him amazes me.

stoneill

He had €300 for an escort - had a holiday booked in Spain, has €2000 available for compensation that can be upped to €6000 - as a courier?

What sort of stuff is he carrying?

Giselle

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

did she give him his money back?

Not really funny. She's a human being who's been through a horrible ordeal at the hands of a violent person with many convictions and deserves compassion, no matter how she makes her living.

marzic

hondasam wrote: »

The fact he has a family who want to go on holiday with him amazes me.

Well he does tend to do rather silly things when he's left on his own:o

hondasam

marzic wrote: »

Well he does tend to do rather silly things when he's left on his own:o

I wouldn't be inclined to leave him alone with school girls anyway.

Jester252

stoneill wrote: »

He had €300 for an escort - had a holiday booked in Spain, has €2000 available for compensation that can be upped to €6000 - as a courier?

What sort of stuff is he carrying?

With 40 priors its not too hard to guess where the money is coming

mikom

Jester252 wrote: »

With 40 priors its not too hard to guess where the money is coming

On the escorts tits?

marzic

hondasam wrote: »

I wouldn't be inclined to leave him alone with school girls anyway.

Its summer, the school girls are off... and any waythey're just girls in the summer...(i should be his fcuking solicitor..."case dismissed"...Matlock would be so proud.. poor Andy's dead:(, RIP Andy Griffiths!)

Scioch

hondasam wrote: »

The fact he has a family who want to go on holiday with him amazes me.

I'd say the 40 previous convictions probably eased them into his behavior. Probably all laughs and "whats he gone and done now" at this stage.

hondasam

LordSmeg wrote: »

I'd say the 40 previous convictions probably eased them into his behavior. Probably all laughs and "whats he gone and done now" at this stage.

tbh I was thinking four kids must be a woman some where who loves this man.

ringadingding

Rooney and escorts

It never ends well

Show Time

Sounds like a right nasty bit of scum.

The_Thing

And in his own house no less - I'd say the worms in my garden have higher IQ's.

RobbieTheRobber

I found this bit from the article weird.
Do we want people to work as prostitutes.

Mr McGinn said the woman was not able to continue working as an escort.

Right I know technically prostitution isn't illegal but the getting of the prostitute is, isn't it?

Mushy

stoneill wrote: »

He had €300 for an escort - had a holiday booked in Spain, has €2000 available for compensation that can be upped to €6000 - as a courier?

What sort of stuff is he carrying?

Probably getting free legal aid too.

Scioch

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I found this bit from the article weird.
Do we want people to work as prostitutes.



Right I know technically prostitution isn't illegal but the getting of the prostitute is, isn't it?

I thought only the public solicitation, brothels and pimping was. For an escort to agree to have sex with someone is perfectly fine. The escort part is whats being advertised and the sex is a private matter.

2 stroke

He could probably get off on insanity grounds.

golden lane

he should have threatened the judge with a knife......he's good at that.

laoch na mona

2 stroke wrote: »

He could probably get off on insanity grounds.

trying to get off is why he was in court

Sindri

Rooney's house

He told gardaí he paid the woman €300 but she refused to go through with the requested services.

You'd be paying a lot more for an escort if it was an out-call than €300...or so my second cousin from Belize tells me.

token101

He's a rapist. And you're surprised he's making a cheeky request? :pac:

christmas2012

im not suprised by this story,its getting all too common,prisoners and offenders and such having a sense of entitlement,judge the drugs did it,judge i was drunk,judge my missus is nagging bitch and so on..When judges let these people out on bail 40 + times or suspend their sentence 40+ times,you know there is something wrong with the justice system,its the judges!

unkel

first conviction -> fine
second conviction -> fine
third conviction -> fine
fourth conviction -> suspended sentence
fifth conviction -> jail
sixth conviction -> long time in jail
seventh conviction -> never a free man again

That's very tolerant, isn't it?

That's for minor convictions. For major convictions (rape / gbh / manslaughter) 2 or 3 strikes is more than out)

Capt'n Midnight

unkel wrote: »

first conviction -> fine
second conviction -> fine
third conviction -> fine
fourth conviction -> suspended sentence
fifth conviction -> jail
sixth conviction -> long time in jail
seventh conviction -> never a free man again

That's very tolerant, isn't it?

That's for minor convictions. For major convictions (rape / gbh / manslaughter) 2 or 3 strikes is more than out)

Hard to work out these things, unintended consequences and all that


the aim should be rehabilitation and only if that doesn't work should the aim be to do the least harm, balancing the rights of the convicted against the general public.

there are stats on reoffending
there are stats on people being killed or assaulted by people with multiple convictions

it should be easy to figure out mathematical balance between the years of quality of life lost by prisoners and the public - it won't be accurate but it will give food for thought


And three strikes rule like in USA is crazy.

But 40 convictions for a 30 year old, - that's one conviction every 4 months since any juvenile record was cleared. If you take into account the low detection rate for many crimes it could be far worse. :mad:


Yes people should be given opportunities to reform and yes the benefit of the doubt should be given to keeping innocent people out of the system and yes prisoners have rights but so do the public.

I've said it before, if someone commits a similar crime while on bail the sentences must be consecutive. No one must think that they might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb, and I include financial stuff in this too - if you deprive revenue of several million then I feel that the knock on losses in the health service should be treated as GBH etc.


Until the levels of recidivism for 'career criminals' drop I can only conclude that it isn't working for those who have dozens of convictions.

yes every case is different, but I'm tired of hearing of people lives being destroyed by criminals who have been through the system more often than I've been to concerts / zoo / weddings / christenings / interviews put together :mad:


the public has a right to be protected from 'career criminal' and 'anti social' elements

perhaps if we out sourced the imprisonment of repeat offenders to Albania ? Cost a fraction of what it costs here, Ryanair could do cheap flights for visiting. And again this would only be for those who haven't responded to any other ways of redemption.
No point in doing tests, since psychopaths would just learn them off.


anyway
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal_law/criminal_trial/sentence.html

Allyall

unkel wrote: »

first conviction -> fine
second conviction -> fine
third conviction -> fine
fourth conviction -> suspended sentence
fifth conviction -> jail
sixth conviction -> long time in jail
seventh conviction -> never a free man again

That's very tolerant, isn't it?

That's for minor convictions. For major convictions (rape / gbh / manslaughter) 2 or 3 strikes is more than out)

first conviction -> fine
second conviction -> fine
third conviction -> fine
fourth conviction -> fine
fifth conviction -> fine
sixth conviction -> fine
seventh conviction -> fine
eight conviction -> fine
ninth conviction -> fine
tenth conviction -> fine

11th
12th.. etc..

THIRTY EIGHT CONVICTION - Suspended Sentence
THIRTY NINTH CONVICTION - Jail
FORTIETH CONVICTION - Long Time in Jail

unkel wrote: »

That's very tolerant, isn't it?

Now.. I'm beginning to think, there's a lot of sh*t i can get away with... (At least 30 times before i have to worry)

danniemcq

The American system is messed up, life in prison for stealing a pizza slice etc. that’s harsh if you are just on the poverty line struggling to live.

However these days when you open any paper and see little scumbags in their 20s with dozens of convictions then something is badly wrong with the system.

I know this will probably get scoffed at but a point based system where 20 points = life for example. Caught with a concealed weapon? 4 points, stab someone 10 points kill someone 20 points.

And the points would be equivalent to current years in prison for crimes. That way there would be some play but career criminals will find it nearly impossible to stay on the streets.

Wibbs

You do start to wonder WTF is going on when adam clayton's ex assistant gets 7 years in pokey for theft(with no previous AFAIK), yet thugs, rapists and killers "known to Gardai" with a string of previous convictions get little more, if they get sent down at all. Seriously, WT jumping F is someone with forty previous convictions doing out and about? This [insert large amount of previous] convictions ending up doing damage to the person and society is sickeningly common to read about.

LittleBook

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

did she give him his money back?

Giselle wrote: »

Not really funny. She's a human being who's been through a horrible ordeal at the hands of a violent person with many convictions and deserves compassion, no matter how she makes her living.

While I absolutely agree with you Giselle and have thanked your post, unfortunately Sir Digby is not the only one who looks at this kind of situation in this way.

Judge Rules Rape of Prostitute = Theft of Services

The accuser testified that she initially agreed to have sex with Gindraw and a friend of his in exchange for money, but that Gindraw refused to pay her, held a gun to her head and forced her to have sex with several men, according to a transcript of an Oct. 4 court hearing.

"She consented and she didn't get paid. … I thought it was a robbery," [Judge Teresa Carr] Deni told the Philadelphia Daily News.

PinkFly

Isn't going to jail Not enough of a holiday for him?! Prisons are a joke!!

SocSocPol

PinkFly wrote: »

Isn't going to jail Not enough of a holiday for him?! Prisons are a joke!!

So you have actually spent time in one? you have some actual knowledge of prison as oppossed an "everyone knows" opinion?

sbsquarepants

The Central Criminal Court heard that Rooney – who works as a courier - could currently offer €2,000 but hoped to increase that to €6,000 by October.

Or sooner, if he didn't blow a heap of money on a fortnight in the sun.


What a scumbag:mad: