problems with the car due to poor quality petrol

sushmita

Hi all,

I had published a message yesterday and some people had replied to me, and now I see that the whole blog is gone. Quite scary for me.
I buy petrol from a station between Trim and Navan and after the last filling I'm having a technical problem with my car.
The garage in Navan say that it's due to poor quality of the petrol and they're going to charge me from 200 to 300 euro. I'll know today when I'll collect the car.
A coleague of mine is having the same problem and at the garage in Navan there's another car with exactly the same problem.
If I were you I'd be careful not to use that petrol station, but at this stage I'd say do as you like it as apparently here, if you warn people for a good purpose, they delete your messages.

dixiefly

Hi Sushmita,
I agree with you and I posted a response last evening, the thread seems to have disappeared.

As I said, I had injector problems in a diesel engine and it cost me €2,500 and a ruined holiday in Clare. Probably due to poor diesel. I bought diesel in several places so it wasnt necessarily the station you mention. However, based on other feedback i have received and the fact that it is an unbranded station I stay away from there now.
My garage mechanic who is v good told me that he would run out of diesel/ petrol before getting it there and he knows a lot more than I do.

INCONFIDENCE

I have been driving for 35 years and I never had a problem with poor quality petrol. Most people assume the mechanics look after everything and never question the petrol filter. If they do mechanics usually says its not a major problem. I rebuilt carburetors and used gallons of petrol additives in my day. I found out the cheapest and most effective way is to change the online petrol filter.Its one of those simple cures which very few think of , they always fear the worst.It can even get rid of red lights on the dash.

sushmita

Inconfidence, I can guarantee that I take good care of my car and I always have it checked and I have the filters changed every year.
This is not a coincidence. On Wednesday evening I got the car re-filled, the problem started on Thursday morning. The same is happening with my coleague's car. And the same is happening with another car at the garage. We can prove it as we both still have the receipt.

Dixiefly, thank you for your message, I appreciate it. I had read your message last night, very strange that the whole blog is gone. I wonder if they want to hide this story or I hope that it didn't sound libelious like certainly I didn't want it to be.

dixiefly

INCONFIDENCE wrote: »

I have been driving for 35 years and I never had a problem with poor quality petrol. Most people assume the mechanics look after everything and never question the petrol filter. If they do mechanics usually says its not a major problem. I rebuilt carburetors and used gallons of petrol additives in my day. I found out the cheapest and most effective way is to change the online petrol filter.Its one of those simple cures which very few think of , they always fear the worst.It can even get rid of red lights on the dash.

You obviously know loads about cars and check the filter regularly and, fair play to you if you can buy cheap petrol/ diesel and get away with it. Obviously many also buy there as this and other similar premises are still in business. I would not say that all the petrol / diesel there is of poor quality. In my mind the risk is greater and that is enough for me.

Myself, I trust my garage mechanic and when he tells me to avoid a place I avoid it. I also want to minimise the risk of a repeat of a situation where I had no car for our holidays and a big bill. I never tried to tie it down to a particular garage but I am a lot more careful since.

Dr Turk Turkelton

Op everyone knows the risks involved with that place.
How do you think they sell fuel so cheap?

Jonnykitedude

Picked my car up from the garage today and asked the guys have they had many problems with bad diesel, said they are crazy busy with cars coming in with thousands worth of damage done, also said seeing more petrol models coming in!

The only way to avoid it is to stick to the MAIN brands.

bryaner

Op I think your thread was deleted because you're inadvertently naming the petrol station with no proof..

Vego

What happenes if you buy from a branded station and your car ends up the same way ?

INCONFIDENCE

dixiefly wrote: »

You fair play to you if you can buy cheap petrol/ diesel and get away with it.

I never tried to tie it down to a particular garage but I am a lot more careful since.

I never buy cheap fuel. What I am saying is check you filter they are only a couple of quid. People look to the fuel and the trade wants them to . Look how much the motor industry makes from turning off red lights on your dash and they come back again tomorrow . Then they tell you that something else is also wrong and try to charge you again. It would be a shame to pay several hundred euro for something you could have sorted for a few quid.

sushmita

Cuchulainn1. wrote: »

Op everyone knows the risks involved with that place.
How do you think they sell fuel so cheap?

I know what you mean, but it's not sooo cheap, it's just very few cents less. It's the cheapest not so cheap. And I guess it's the cheapest because it doesn't have a brand. But where does this petrol come from? Do they provide just this petrol station? Nowhere else I wonder?

sushmita

bryaner wrote: »

Op I think your thread was deleted because you're inadvertently naming the petrol station with no proof..

I have proves. I still have the receipt from the petrol station and I have a report from the garage on headed paper that proves that the cause is the poor quality petrol.
And also, the garage are still keeping that petrol that if I want I can get analysed.

Dr Turk Turkelton

sushmita wrote: »

Cuchulainn1. wrote: »

Op everyone knows the risks involved with that place.
How do you think they sell fuel so cheap?

I know what you mean, but it's not sooo cheap, it's just very few cents less. It's the cheapest not so cheap. And I guess it's the cheapest because it doesn't have a brand. But where does this petrol come from? Do they provide just this petrol station? Nowhere else I wonder?

I would imagine it comes from the border area where the majority of laundered fuel comes from.
There is also a dodgy station in Athboy and one in Summerhill that seem to be well known.
I buy all my fuel from the one station in the centre of Trim and keep all my receipts for it.
My car takes about 70 litres of diesel to fill so at a premium of 4c a litre I would save €2.80 on a fill.it would take a lot of fills to save the price of a new engine!

Haha post no.100 and I'm ranting :-)

bryaner

sushmita wrote: »

I have proves. I still have the receipt from the petrol station and I have a report from the garage on headed paper that proves that the cause is the poor quality petrol.
And also, the garage are still keeping that petrol that if I want I can get analysed.

So you haven't got any proof until the petrol in analysed basically...

nowuckenfurries

I've posted in your other thread too, I'm filling up with petrol at that garage every week for the past 2 years (no connection other than a happy customer), no engine trouble to date, also no fuel filter changed during that period.

What damage has been done to your car ?, i'm curious to know

sushmita

nowuckenfurries wrote: »

I've posted in your other thread too, I'm filling up with petrol at that garage every week for the past 2 years (no connection other than a happy customer), no engine trouble to date, also no fuel filter changed during that period.

What damage has been done to your car ?, i'm curious to know

I'm reading the report from Nissan to you:
Check hard to start from cold. Chugging & missfiring.
Spark plugs have been replaced.
Checked for fault. Car very hard to start and running rough when started. No faults detected on computer. Checked spark plugs - ok. Checked coils and ignition system - all ok. Checked sensors - all reading ok. Checked engine timing system - ok. Checked fuel. Quality of fuel not consistant with good petrol. Advised customer and we were authorised to drain tank and use new fuel. Car now starting fine. Still slight unsteady idle in engine - recommend driving with good fuel - may require further attention if idle does not settle.

The amount of the labour (including 30 euro fuel) is 210 euro.

sushmita

This evening I stopped by the petrol station. I told the guy at the counter that after the last refill I had this problem with my car and I showed him the invoice with the report.
He told the lady 'there's another person here with the same problem'.
I'd say that this says a lot.
Then the lady asked me if I had called on Friday. I didn't. So this makes one more person with the same problem.
She said that the manager will call me back tomorrow. Let's see...

squod

sushmita wrote: »

I'm reading the report from Nissan to you:
Check hard to start from cold. Chugging & missfiring.
Spark plugs have been replaced.
Checked for fault. Car very hard to start and running rough when started. No faults detected on computer. Checked spark plugs - ok. Checked coils and ignition system - all ok. Checked sensors - all reading ok. Checked engine timing system - ok. Checked fuel. Quality of fuel not consistant with good petrol. Advised customer and we were authorised to drain tank and use new fuel. Car now starting fine. Still slight unsteady idle in engine - recommend driving with good fuel - may require further attention if idle does not settle.

The amount of the labour (including 30 euro fuel) is 210 euro.

210 quid for a set of plugs and a computer reading? Seriously? Did he even change the fuel filter?

I can understand the issue. My own yoke chugged and misfired all week 'cause of fuel at that station. If all comes to all I might even fork out ten quid on a filter.

sushmita

squod wrote: »

210 quid for a set of plugs and a computer reading? Seriously? Did he even change the fuel filter?

I can understand the issue. My own yoke chugged and misfired all week 'cause of fuel at that station. If all comes to all I might even fork out ten quid on a filter.

The plugs were replaced before I went to Nissan, that's what it means.

sushmita

No word from this manager yet. So I tried to call the petrol station and the line is engaged for a while...

dixiefly

nowuckenfurries wrote: »

I've posted in your other thread too, I'm filling up with petrol at that garage every week for the past 2 years (no connection other than a happy customer), no engine trouble to date, also no fuel filter changed during that period.

What damage has been done to your car ?, i'm curious to know

I dont think there is anyone here saying or implying that all the fuel from this station is bad. it's just that the risk of getting poor quality fuel is higher. If everyone experienced these problems then they would be out of business in no time.

I have bought from this station in the past but would not buy anymore. i reckon I might be ok but it's not worth the risk for the small savings. At least with a branded station you have an idea of source etc or at least might be able to find out.

chewed

with all these accusations flying about, should the garage in question not be reported? Or is it legal to sell poor quality fuel?

sushmita

chewed wrote: »

with all these accusations flying about, should the garage in question not be reported? Or is it legal to sell poor quality fuel?

I actually want to report it.
Do you know how I can do it?

bryaner

sushmita wrote: »

I actually want to report it.
Do you know how I can do it?

Go and pay to have your fuel analysed and if it comes back as sub standard fuel that caused your problems then you can report all you want, at the moment what you are doing is just falling short of liable..

squod

sushmita wrote: »

The plugs were replaced before I went to Nissan, that's what it means.

€210 is an awful lot for that. Not including plugs.

squod

sushmita wrote: »

I actually want to report it.
Do you know how I can do it?

If you have the sample, why not ring the NSAI?

http://www.nsai.ie/About-NSAI/Departments/Standards.aspx

cournioni

sushmita wrote: »

Hi all,

I had published a message yesterday and some people had replied to me, and now I see that the whole blog is gone. Quite scary for me.
I buy petrol from a station between Trim and Navan and after the last filling I'm having a technical problem with my car.
The garage in Navan say that it's due to poor quality of the petrol and they're going to charge me from 200 to 300 euro. I'll know today when I'll collect the car.
A coleague of mine is having the same problem and at the garage in Navan there's another car with exactly the same problem.
If I were you I'd be careful not to use that petrol station, but at this stage I'd say do as you like it as apparently here, if you warn people for a good purpose, they delete your messages.

The original thread was deleted because of the libelous nature of the posts. You may feel that you are posting people to warn people of potential problems, however, the correct thing to do is to report a suspected station to the authorities if you feel that you have a case.

You are posting serious allegations, which rightly or wrongly could have serious consequences for that business. However, you do not have proof until the authorities test its fuel and says so. Just because the bad fuel is in your tank does not necessarily mean that it is from that station, it may be from the previous station and so on.

Again, I suggest that if you feel that this or any station is selling illegal/bad fuel follow what squod's link and report it.

Thread closed.