power flusher wanted

anthonyos

anyone know of or is selling a power flusher??iv been looking for one for awhile not urgent would like a fernox kamco etc

JohnnieK

If it's just domestic then to be honest I got a Guardian one 2 years ago and it does me well. Fernox and Kamco have more powerful motors alright but I don't plan on doing any office blocks or anything. Think I paid €600.

spireland32

Check out the magna-cleanse aswell

sullzz

I use the guardian one too , does the job for what i use it for ie. Domestic situation , although if i was buying another one id probably go for the magnacleanse one as its a lot cleaner and more compact and at the moment is great value at approx 600 euro , the brochures for the magnaclean units are also great selling tools to generate a bit of buisness too.

DGOBS

Problem I see with the manga cleanse is your not going to get much movement of anything that's not in suspension in the water as your only using the circulating pump to move it. Where the power flusher has high volume flow. I don't see who the manga cleanse would work well especially on drop fed rads.

Unless I am missing something?

gdavis

I think the idea is that the power flush chemicals loosen up some build up and it comes with an agitator that u can put on a hammer drill for the rads which apparently will loosen up more gear!

DGOBS

Still wouldn't have a hope on a drop fed rad IMHO

sullzz

It would be a lot better for older gb systems or microbore systems

gdavis

I'm hearin u dgobs!

spireland32

There's a radiator agitator that loosing dirt and sludge. You put an attachment in your drill and passed it along the rad.

http://www.adey.co.uk/magnacleanse_installation_combi.asp

Haven't used it but like the look of it! Yeah don't how well it would work on drops.

DGOBS

Know of one poor bugger who flushed microbore, he was there for a week afterwards!!!

sullzz

I wouldnt flush microbore , unless it was with the magnacleanse unit , too much of a risk , same goes for old gb systems , too easy to open a can of worms

gdavis

Would be more worried about opening an old joint or pipe under floor than a can of worms!! Lol

sullzz

Yeah but you can fix pipes , what are you going to do with an open can of worms:eek:

DGOBS

Go fishin' !

Still don't see the attraction of the magnacleanse and don't see it worth the investment.

JohnnieK

what's the difference between flushing with a power flusher compared to a magnacleans.

gdavis

Volume of water?

JohnnieK

gdavis wrote: »

Volume of water?

I should have clarified that. I meant a microbore system.

DGOBS

gdavis wrote: »

Volume of water?

Agreed, with the magna your still using the circ pump only

anthonyos

i think they both have there place although iv never used the magna cleanse but i think that drill attachment for the rads is a god send i bring the rads to garden connect to mains flush and use the agitator on it the shlt flies out

JohnnieK

I use my rubber mallet on the rads (Timmy gave it to me) and along with my machine the stuff flies out. It's nerdy but it's like urika when the water starts running clear.

gdavis

It's ok johnny ur among fellow nerds,why else would we be still reading and writing this stuff after living it all day !!!

shane0007

Powerflushing operates under low pressure and high velocity. The high velocity being the important one to shift the particles of metal back to the machine. Magnacleanse uses the system circulating pump so will not move as much particles back to the machine so therefore does not have such an effective cleanse.

The other advantage is that with a powerflush the system can be put into reverse which alternates the ability to get at the sludge within the radiators.

A dead-blow rubber mallet is the best method for loosening the sludge. The drill attachment one could possibly loosen paint or mark the radiator which could lead to whole other problems.

The type and amount of chemicals used is also very important and the type issues that are affecting the system.

Robbie.G

I use a fernox power flushing machine connected to a magnacleanse and using a rubber mallet. It is an expensive setup but it cuts cleaning time way down with will help with the pay back time

anthonyos

Robbie.G wrote: »

I use a fernox power flushing machine connected to a magnacleanse and using a rubber mallet. It is an expensive setup but it cuts cleaning time way down with will help with the pay back time

ye expensive but worth it 1200 for fernox 600 for magna cleans that's why i was looking at sourcing second hand quaility unit ..i use a excel`power flusher with my company its like pissing in to the pipe

DGOBS

Remember, you should have a TDS meter and water test kit also to diagnose correctly in the first place (defining the correct chemical treatment) and confirming a the cleanse has been effective and complete (clear water is not always what it seems)

Both kits married together is the dogs, but most good quality flushers (like Kamco, again the dogs, they invented the powerflusher!) have large magnetic filters inline anyway, with Kamco you can even have it with a built in heating element for hot flushes where the boiler is out of action (hard to see how useful a 2kw element would be on an entire heating system though (hot flushing can seriously reduce the flush time though)

shane0007

TDS meter is a very useful and worthwhile addition. I also carry with me 2 sealed jars of water. One with a piece of copper and a few steel nails, the other with a piece of copper, a few steel nails and Fernox F1 added. It is a very useful demonstation kit to show prospective clients of what can build up in a system and what preventative steps can be taken following the flush, i.e. inhibitor. It also demonstrates not only the oxygenation of the steel nails due to the oxygen within the water but the chemical reaction between the copper and the steel, i.e. varying metals within a heating system.

sullzz

shane0007 wrote: »

TDS meter is a very useful and worthwhile addition. I also carry with me 2 sealed jars of water. One with a piece of copper and a few steel nails, the other with a piece of copper, a few steel nails and Fernox F1 added. It is a very useful demonstation kit to show prospective clients of what can build up in a system and what preventative steps can be taken following the flush, i.e. inhibitor. It also demonstrates not only the oxygenation of the steel nails due to the oxygen within the water but the chemical reaction between the copper and the steel, i.e. varying metals within a heating system.

And you thought you were a nerd johnniek

I use the fernox water test kit which is handy to determine inhibiter, chloride, iron, hardness and PH levels, white coat optional;).

shane0007

sullzz wrote: »

And you thought you were a nerd johnniek

Guilty as charged!

A useful link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDZmBXXBxR8&list=UU9b7E8VJBJ5uPmy29Az4YyA&index=6&feature=plcp

DGOBS

Think we're all heating/pluming perverts! (in a manner of speaking)
shudder......Gary those swimshorts still coming back to haunt me!

DGOBS

DGOBS wrote: »

Think we're all heating/pluming perverts! (in a manner of speaking)
shudder......Gary those swimshorts still coming back to haunt me!

I'v stopped wearing the speedos now, I put a bit of weight on over the summer from sitting on my arse at home(thank you RGII) so now with the manly over hang I look naked in speedos and it's a look that hasn't worked for me.