Ordering Bokken and Throwing Knife

Nazata

I'm planning on ordering bokken and a throwing knife soon, more than likely from Cold Steel (though if there are better/cheaper retailers anyone knows of, I'd appreciate suggestions). Both are purely for sporting reasons, but would they count as offensive weapons and thus be illegal to order (bokken are probably fine, but the throwing knife I'm unsure of)...
All help is appreciated.

yomchi

Nazata wrote: »

I'm planning on ordering bokken and a throwing knife soon, more than likely from Cold Steel (though if there are better/cheaper retailers anyone knows of, I'd appreciate suggestions). Both are purely for sporting reasons, but would they count as offensive weapons and thus be illegal to order (bokken are probably fine, but the throwing knife I'm unsure of)...
All help is appreciated.

Yes the throwing knife would be illegal and could well be intercepted on it's way in. Cold Steel sometimes won't ship to countries that have tight laws on edged weapons. Email them first to find out.

The Shane

Knife throwing is cool.

I don't have that throwing knife but I have gotten other Cold Steel throwing knives. Can't see why it would be illegal. Would be illegal to carry it about if not on the way to an event etc, or to produce in the course of a dispute but honestly it's no more illegal than a kitchen knife.

I got my stuff from http://www.knifecenter.com/

Works out cheaper than Cold Steel even on Cold Steel products if you don't get screwed on shipping. Can't recommend Cold Steel enough as a brand, managed to break one of their knives, sent it to them and no questions asked they replaced it.

Shane, The

ps. From the US, remember that you'll get stung with tax. Factor that into your costing.

Nazata

yomchi wrote: »

Yes the throwing knife would be illegal and could well be intercepted on it's way in. Cold Steel sometimes won't ship to countries that have tight laws on edged weapons. Email them first to find out.

Hmm that's a shame, wonder if I could get them to include a note stating it's for sporting reasons...
Will more than likely email them, thanks for the info yomchi.

The Shane wrote: »

I got my stuff from http://www.knifecenter.com/

Works out cheaper than Cold Steel even on Cold Steel products if you don't get screwed on shipping. Can't recommend Cold Steel enough as a brand, managed to break one of their knives, sent it to them and no questions asked they replaced it.

Shane, The

ps. From the US, remember that you'll get stung with tax. Factor that into your costing.

That seems like an excellent site, will definitely be using them if possible...
When you ordered from them were you in Ireland or the US? (or elsewhere?)
Yeah, I've heard Cold Steel make good quality knives, happy with the cost on knifecenter also.
Thanks The Shane, that comment really helped.

Has anyone ordered anything to Ireland from knifecentre before?
Would love to know if they usually deliver well to here etc...

Dyr

Don't think throwing knives come under the banned legislation. You have a cold steel uk shop out there as well and knifezilla will definitely deliver to Ireland

There's a knife throwing workshop in wexford this weekend and all

yomchi

Hi guys,

Can't see why it would be illegal. Would be illegal to carry it about if not on the way to an event

Sorry yes, that's what i meant in relation to carrying it about to a practice area etc, even to an event could be messy! Having said that, what's the chances?

here is some info in relation to knives and the law. If you are found to be in possession of a knife you need a solid reason, like work etc if you are a tree surgeon you should have one in your van, if you are a scout leader etc. As a hobby, throwing knives wouldn't come under good reason IMO, but like all laws they are open to discussion and dispute, hence why we have courts.

But here is a link to the statutes:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1990/en/act/pub/0012/print.html#sec9

The Shane

I'm living in Ireland. No hassle with shipping, they wouldn't send me a blowdart gun because of pesky legislation but any of the knives I've had sent have been fine. Anything I've gotten has been marked as cutlery or tools.

Knifecenter are great, shipping is a pain - go for the cheaper option and expect to pay duty on it. I still found it cheaper than Cold Steel directly.

Is there any competitive knife throwing in Ireland? For me it's just a plank in the back garden.

Shane, The

Nazata

Thanks for the heads up Yomchi, will make sure not to carry these around on my person, even when going to an event.

Bambi wrote: »

Don't think throwing knives come under the banned legislation. You have a cold steel uk shop out there as well and knifezilla will definitely deliver to Ireland

There's a knife throwing workshop in wexford this weekend and all

Excellent, thanks for this info. Do you know what organisation/the names of the people that ran the event?

The Shane wrote: »

I'm living in Ireland. No hassle with shipping, they wouldn't send me a blowdart gun because of pesky legislation but any of the knives I've had sent have been fine. Anything I've gotten has been marked as cutlery or tools.

Knifecenter are great, shipping is a pain - go for the cheaper option and expect to pay duty on it. I still found it cheaper than Cold Steel directly.

Is there any competitive knife throwing in Ireland? For me it's just a plank in the back garden.

Shane, The

Excellent, comparing prices from other sites I think Knifecenter is the way to go for this purchase. I'll probably buy a couple cheaper ones as well as the sure balance thrower...
I've been looking for some competitive organisations myself, I know Bujinkan martial arts (which have a few dojos around the country) incorporates the use of shuriken and some other traditional throwing knives but I can't seem to find anything on the use of standard throwing knives unfortunately...
If I can find anything out, I'll message you. Hopefully I'll find out something regarding the event Bambi talked about in this thread...


Thanks for the heads up Yomchi, I'll make sure not to keep any of the knives on my person on my way to events.

Does anyone know what the situation on shuriken is, since they are used in Bujinkan which is a legal martial art in this country?

Dyr

event is on tomorrow:

https://www.facebook.com/events/129843220486781/

There's at least three filipino martial arts systems in Ireland that include projectiles/throwing knives in their curriculum: Sayoc Kali, Warriors Eskrima, Atienza Kali.

Deise Musashi

I have a couple of sets of Hibben triple throwers and a set of Colt throwing knives. I find the Colt's better as they are heavier and more weight forward in the blade.

I damaged the Hibben's by throwing them into each other in the target, they are quite soft. The Hibben "Under Siege" set are nice, but a set of three of the largest knife would be of more use.

I usually throw by the handle and use rotation to stick the target, but non rotation throwing seems to work well also.

If the rain ever stops I may dig them out and have another go!

http://www2.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_store.html?usrsearch=throwing&a=fixed

Never had a bother with Knife Centre, except for the bill that comes in for import duty

I had a look but the usual UK sites are not stocking throwing knives?

You'll have no bother as long as you are safe and not acting the Eejit, watch for rebounds off the target, and make sure kids and pets are indoors when throwing.

Nazata

Bambi wrote: »

event is on tomorrow:

https://www.facebook.com/events/129843220486781/

There's at least three filipino martial arts systems in Ireland that include projectiles/throwing knives in their curriculum: Sayoc Kali, Warriors Eskrima, Atienza Kali.

Cheers Bambi, I'll be sure to check them out.

Deise Musashi wrote: »

Never had a bother with Knife Centre, except for the bill that comes in for import duty

I had a look but the usual UK sites are not stocking throwing knives?

You'll have no bother as long as you are safe and not acting the Eejit, watch for rebounds off the target, and make sure kids and pets are indoors when throwing.

Thanks, I'll be ordering from Knife Center then, I'll make sure to stay vigilant regarding rebounds...

Think I'll order in a day or two, order atm is:

x3 Cold Steel Sure Balance Thrower

x2 Cold Steel Bokken

Does anyone have experience with the Cold Steel O Bokken?
Would they be worth getting over the regular Bokken?

Dyr

Nazata wrote: »

Cheers Bambi, I'll be sure to check them out.



Thanks, I'll be ordering from Knife Center then, I'll make sure to stay vigilant regarding rebounds...

Think I'll order in a day or two, order atm is:

x3 Cold Steel Sure Balance Thrower

x2 Cold Steel Bokken

Does anyone have experience with the Cold Steel O Bokken?
Would they be worth getting over the regular Bokken?

Depends on what you're planning to do with the bokken? A lot of aikido schools etc are'nt going to care much for a synthetic bokken

Nazata

Bambi wrote: »

Depends on what you're planning to do with the bokken? A lot of aikido schools etc are'nt going to care much for a synthetic bokken

It's mainly for some sparring with a few friends (to make a change from European fencing), so I probably won't be using them in any competitions, wondering whether to get the standard Bokken or the heavier and longer O Bokken.
I guess the regular would probably be more useful if I was to pick up Bujinkan next year...

Dyr

You spar with a bokken you're gonna want some ballsy training partners, guy got his arm broken at a dogbrothers gathering by a cold steel bokken

Doug Cartel

Bokken are not used for sparring, shinai are. Even with a shinai, you don't want to use it without a very solid helmet and gauntlets. The helmet used in kendo is made out of a thick steel cage covered in heavy canvas. Also a bamboo shinai needs to be maintained properly, or it will develop large splinters that can cause nasty injuries. All in all if you're going to spar with these things you really should be doing it under the supervision of someone who knows what they're doing.

Nazata

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Bokken are not used for sparring, shinai are. Even with a shinai, you don't want to use it without a very solid helmet and gauntlets. The helmet used in kendo is made out of a thick steel cage covered in heavy canvas. Also a bamboo shinai needs to be maintained properly, or it will develop large splinters that can cause nasty injuries. All in all if you're going to spar with these things you really should be doing it under the supervision of someone who knows what they're doing.

Thanks for the heads up, the bokken are actually for a friend but I'll pass on this advice before putting them in with my order.
Where could one purchase shinai?

Dyr

Nazata wrote: »

Where could one purchase shinai?

http://www.ninecircles.co.uk/Wooden_Weapons__Shinai/Shinai__Shinai_Parts/Shinai_-_Keichiku.aspx

Rendeva

Sweet! I was just wondering this myself. I'm pretty sure I can't get a push Dagger though :L

Deise Musashi

Push dagger is a definite no go, illegal as they have no good reasonable use.

pearsquasher

I guess the regular would probably be more useful if I was to pick up Bujinkan next year...

NEVER get a weapon for martial arts - especially Bujinkan and especially bladed ones - without full consultation with a qualified teacher. They should have the experience and knowledge to not only handle them but also to source them. I have had a fair few beginners and students simply turn up to class with stuff they bought on the web or seen in some crappy shop only to be told not to bother bringing it to class again. Believe me, there is a LOT of rubbish out there and if your want to do something worth while you may as well go for the best quality - which doesn't always mean expensive.

Also, buying swords, even wooden ones, on the web is not ideal because you need to hold the thing to get a feel for it and you only get a feel for it by training with the right people over time.

If you train with bokken properly, you get fussy about weight, curvature, length, balance, density, shape, grip etc. If you don't train properly you think "its only a piece of wood whats the difference". Simple.

Best case scenario:
- train for a while, borrow the clubs weapons in class, get a feel for them and using your actual knowledge, get a weapon based on the clubs advice. You'll save your own money and yours and your teachers time.

PS In Japan this wouldn't even be discussed.. its such a no-brainer.