Coming Here Soon: Ireland, Lost

mrkiscool2

Did anyone see this show on BBC Three this evening? I thought it was very good (even if Stacey Dooley, who presented it, really annoyed me) insight into the way Ireland is and what's happening.

brian_t

I didn't but it sounds interesting. Being BBC3 it's repeated another 5 times - Thursday at 9.00pm been the most accessable.

Ireland, Lost and Leaving. Episode 2.

Series in which Stacey Dooley looks at how the economic crisis has affected young people in three different countries and what lessons can be learnt for us back in the UK. When Stacey arrives in Dublin's Temple Bar the party is in full swing, but soon she stumbles across a group of young protesters angered by the mess they have inherited. Stacey explores the country's infamous property boom and discovers its dangerous and devastating consequences. She meets a group of young, first-time buyers whose dream homes turned out to be anything but, and is shocked to hear that they now face homelessness and bankruptcy. Stacey spends time with a girl in her twenties who is preparing to move to the other side of the world simply to find work. Since the recession hit, emigration figures have rocketed in Ireland and now almost 1,000 people a week are checking out. Is Ireland at risk of losing an entire generation and if things don't improve is this a trend we could see coming to Britain soon? .

Japan next week.

Japan, Fall of the Rising Sun. Episode 3.

Series in which Stacey Dooley looks at how the economic crisis has affected young people in three different countries and what lessons can be learnt for us back in the UK. In Japan, Stacey sees a new type of homelessness, with many young people living in internet cafes. She goes to a job-hunting school that trains people how to become the perfect applicant. Even those with jobs haven't escaped the effects of this slump, as Stacey meets workers now doing the work of those made redundant. Relationships have been affected too. She learns that many men don't want to get married because they don't think they can afford to raise a family, and she joins a woman absorbed in the one of the latest youth crazes to hit Japan - marriage hunting. Stacey sees the saddest impact Japan's decline has had by visiting a forest famous for suicides. The film ends encouragingly, with Stacey meeting a group of young part-time workers who have come up with a novel way of thriving.

Greece was last week

Greece, Bust and Broken. Episode 1.

Stacey Dooley travels to Greece, Ireland and Japan, three countries each facing very different and difficult economic challenges, to find out what it's like to be young and caught up in them. In Greece, her journey begins with a street tour of Athens where she quickly learns how badly affected normal Greeks are as she encounters scavengers, soup kitchens and witnesses a suicide attempt. Stacey's investigation continues with a look at how new charges for receiving even basic medical help are effectively denying many poor Greeks access to their national health service. She accompanies a group as it takes over an underground station in protest at recent price increases imposed on many public services and travels to the island of Chios to visit two former civil servants who have taken a gamble in an attempt to earn a living by setting up a snail farm. Finally, she attends a massive public demonstration gathered outside parliament that turns into a violent riot.

kneemos

Milked the protesters for all they were worth, did'nt sensationalise at all.Pretty good with the emmigration aspect though.

dfx-

Currently watching it, decent programme, she does seem to get involved from looking at her previous stuff on Thailand and Greece

Padraig Mor

Thought it was rubbish TBH. Presented the rent-a-crowd professional protestors of the Occupy movement as being representative of young people generally - yeah right. And yes, she was VERY annoying.

kneemos

If they were rent a crowd I'd get my money back.Pathetic.

FishBowel

Had to laugh at the girl getting about 520 points in the Leaving Cert and going to college to study speech therapy. Did she really expect a job in Ireland with this qualification?

FishBowel

FishBowel wrote: »

Had to laugh at the girl getting about 520 points in the Leaving Cert and going to college to study speech therapy. Did she really expect a job in Ireland with this qualification?

Why wouldn't she expect to get a job with this qualification?

Is it over-subscribed? I felt a bit sorry for her tbh.

Yamanoto

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Thought it was rubbish TBH. Presented the rent-a-crowd professional protestors of the Occupy movement as being representative of young people generally - yeah right. And yes, she was VERY annoying.

Precisely.

BBC Three's a 'Yoof' Channel, but even allowing for a somewhat simplified examination of the issues, this was awful stuff.

Plus Dooley's well intentioned, but ditzy as hell.

dfx-

FishBowel wrote: »

Had to laugh at the girl getting about 520 points in the Leaving Cert and going to college to study speech therapy. Did she really expect a job in Ireland with this qualification?

And the woman in it who said her law degree is no longer enough either...? Did you laugh at her too?

Or do you just pick on the more 'obscure' degrees. It was a show engineered for a young British audience on a topic we all know about, how would you summarise the topic differently in an hour for our friends across the water.

You weren't expecting a critical, behavioural and mathematical thesis, I hope..

Corkfeen

FishBowel wrote: »

Had to laugh at the girl getting about 520 points in the Leaving Cert and going to college to study speech therapy. Did she really expect a job in Ireland with this qualification?

So nobody needs speech therapy in Ireland? Let's be realistic, must Irish people would probably benefit from it. :P

bwatson

I thought there were a few interesting parts in the programme, although I agree about the presenter who was hugely annoying - She could read Shakespeare and make it sound like an extract from OK magazine.

It also really annoyed me at how someone with such a poor grasp of seemingly everything, and levels of articulation to match has become an established presenter on that hideous BBC Three channel.

Must say, the part about the girl moving to Perth was fairly interesting and did make me feel quite bad for her parents having already waved a son off just weeks before.

Atlantic Dawn

Some people on it were of the opinion that because they got X qualification they were entitled to a job in that field in Ireland, despite the fact that boom or no boom there simply is or will never be the numbers of vacancies in that field to support the amount of people receiving that qualification in college for a country with such a low population.

Stacey Dooley can come across initially to people as perhaps a spoof interviewer, atleast at first.

FreudianSlippers

dfx- wrote: »

And the woman in it who said her law degree is no longer enough either...? Did you laugh at her too?

Or do you just pick on the more 'obscure' degrees. It was a show engineered for a young British audience on a topic we all know about, how would you summarise the topic differently in an hour for our friends across the water.

You weren't expecting a critical, behavioural and mathematical thesis, I hope..

Anyone who goes to third level education in the western world and believes that their undergraduate degree will be "enough" is an idiot or seriously fooling themselves. A "law degree" (depending on whether they have a BCL, LL.B., BABL or if she is referring to a certificate or diploma in law or legal studies. Adding to that we don't know whether she went to a recognised and accredited college or where she placed in her year, honours or anything!), for example, has never been "enough" - maybe you could get a job as a legal secretary but more likely than not you will have no secretarial skills and would need to do a course.

You often hear of people saying that you could get a job in a company; but then again there are something like 50% of newly qualified solicitors who didn't get placements in firms looking to take these jobs... you tell me who you'd hire?

As for the speech therapist girl, there are plenty of jobs even on the most basic search as well as various opportunities to do volunteer work which would help in getting a real paying job. So I don't really buy the "oh, woe is me" attitude that seems to be around Ireland in the last few years.

goose2005

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Some people on it were of the opinion that because they got X qualification they were entitled to a job in that field in Ireland, despite the fact that boom or no boom there simply is or will never be the numbers of vacancies in that field to support the amount of people receiving that qualification in college for a country with such a low population.

Surely it's the responsibility of the third-level educational institutions not to produce an enormous surplus of graduates that there is no demand for, rather than assuming a 17-year-old filling out a CAO form would be able to forecast job demand 4/5 years ahead of time?

darkman2

Thought the programme, like much foreign coverage on Ireland atm, was grossly exaggerated. More it was completely tactless. Agree with the poster about the occupy people. The program made it look like they were representative of a majority of young people. In reality they are despised by most people. Not every person is leaving the country either. You would think the country was being completely depopulated.

But then it's BBC 3 so...