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Speeding Ticket

  • 03-07-2012 9:49am
    #1
    swanie29
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭


    Hi Guys
    Someone help me out with a query,
    Was caugth speeding last tuesday 26/06 doing 87 acording to the gaurd in 60 zone and was done by unmarked gaurds pulled me over told me that i was doing 87 blah blah and can i have your liscense. I accept i was speeding, but i got the fine in this morning post but is there not suppose to be a picture of my car on this fine for eighty euro. Or i am totally wrong on this. Sorry it also says that it is alleged 86 km/h


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  • #2
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    swanie29 wrote: »
    Hi Guys
    Someone help me out with a query,
    Was caugth speeding last tuesday 26/06 doing 87 acording to the gaurd in 60 zone and was done by unmarked gaurds pulled me over told me that i was doing 87 blah blah and can i have your liscense. I accept i was speeding, but i got the fine in this morning post but is there not suppose to be a picture of my car on this fine for eighty euro. Or i am totally wrong on this. Sorry it also says that it is alleged 86 km/h

    No picture was taken. The guards followed you, measured your speed, pulled you in to I'd you and fine follows on. If you dispute it the guard will give his evidence in person in court and the beak decides weather you are guilty or not and decides the fine and puts 4 points on your ticket if found guilty.


  • #3
    swanie29
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭swanie29


    I dont get to see a picture and that the fact the gaurd said 87 and the fine say 86 that means nothing then no. As i said i acept i was speeding and will pay the fine but sure enough should i not see the edvince they have on me.


  • #4
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    swanie29 wrote: »
    I dont get to see a picture and that the fact the gaurd said 87 and the fine say 86 that means nothing then no. As i said i acept i was speeding and will pay the fine but sure enough should i not see the edvince they have on me.

    If you accept the crime, why do you want proof?


  • #5
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    essentially the evidence will be the Gards word against yours.
    I'd wager a fiver the Judge will accept the gards word over yours.

    There is no picture.
    It doesnt matter that you will allege he told you 87
    You accept that you were speeding
    You are going to pay the fine

    End of story I guess


  • #6
    recyclebin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    As far as i know the guard does not need to provide proof for such motoring offences. The guards word is good enough for any judge.

    1km/h is hardly something worth disputing.


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  • #7
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,823 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    ...starting a row with AGS over 1km/h discrpancy wouldn't rank as the smartest thing to do imho...........you were way over anyway, and the Judge would see that too.........pay the €€ and count your blessings imho.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #8
    MugMugs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,875 ✭✭✭✭MugMugs


    On the flip side, is the Garda not obliged to show you the gun with the speed on it?


  • #9
    Pataman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭Pataman


    MugMugs wrote: »
    On the flip side, is the Garda not obliged to show you the gun with the speed on it?

    No


  • #10
    swanie29
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭swanie29


    No[/Quote]
    Why not


  • #11
    cdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭cdublin


    corktina wrote: »
    essentially the evidence will be the Gards word against yours.
    I'd wager a fiver the Judge will accept the gards word over yours.

    There is no picture.
    It doesnt matter that you will allege he told you 87
    You accept that you were speeding
    You are going to pay the fine

    End of story I guess

    This is right, goes for most things up the courts with the gardai. If its your word against their word, most of the time you'll be hammered.


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  • #12
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,146 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    galwaytt wrote: »
    ...starting a row with AGS over 1km/h discrpancy wouldn't rank as the smartest thing to do imho
    MugMugs wrote: »
    On the flip side, is the Garda not obliged to show you the gun with the speed on it?
    Pataman wrote: »
    No
    swanie29 wrote:
    Why not

    Because - simply put - they don't have to. We have a farcical system where the "word" of a member of a force shown time and time again to be corrupt/incompetent/apathetic to the job is taken as enough to bring a prosecution or conviction - rather than actual evidence being required (in the same way as you would need to produce evidence as a defence). On top of that then you face harsher penalties for "daring" to question it at all.

    Then we have the "take your medicine and count your blessings" attitude that only continues the situation where our keystone cops brigade can continue to practise their unique brand of frontier-style law enforcement (this isn't directed at galwaytt in particular, just as an illustration of my point). Don't even get me started on the "it depends who you get" angle.

    While there are of course lots of fine Gardai who take the job and responsibility seriously, there are all too many who think a badge makes them Dirty Harry and a license to throw their weight around at will - and I refuse to believe the bi-weekly threads on this subject are all just people with "grudges/chips on shoulder" or just "making it up" purely because they don't have a link for the AGS fanboys/apologists that troll threads like that.

    Now in this instance the OP HAS admitted he was in the wrong and IS willing to "take his medicine" but regardless, he should be presented with physical proof of his wrongdoing.. is that not why we (as taxpayers) have spent a fortune upgrading the cars for reg plate recognition and so on. If they can do it in the UK there's no reason they can't do it here.

    Still, when we live in a country where the rich and influential can simply "get away with" things like contempt of court while a woman in her 50s/60s goes to jail because she doesn't want the ESB running pylons over land she's bought and paid for, this sort of "low level" stuff shouldn't really surprise


  • #13
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Kaiser2000 wrote: »
    the "word" of a member of a force shown time and time again to be corrupt/incompetent/apathetic to the job is taken as enough to bring a prosecution or conviction

    But in this case, there is no suggestion of any of that - the OP admits he's guilty, so it's a thread about nothing.


  • #14
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Kaiser2000 wrote: »

    Now in this instance the OP HAS admitted he was in the wrong and IS willing to "take his medicine" but regardless, he should be presented with physical proof of his wrongdoing.. is that not why we (as taxpayers) have spent a fortune upgrading the cars for reg plate recognition and so on. If they can do it in the UK there's no reason they can't do it here.

    He got proof, a speeding ticket. It was an unmarked car so I'm assuming it was a speed gun which is usually shown to the driver when they pull them over.
    Not all cars have ANPR. I'm sure not all cop cars in the UK have ANPR either.


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