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Removing Roundabouts - National Policy?

  • 01-07-2012 3:44pm
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    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭


    I was on the SABRE forum a couple of days ago and there was a thread about the roundabouts being removed from the Galway inner ring road and that this was now official policy.

    Ireland had a splurge of roundabout building from the 1970s to the 1990s - in many cases too many roundabouts were put in locations where they really don't work well - but is it really national policy now that roundabouts are to be removed? Doesn't this seem a little extreme? :confused:

    Can anyone here shed some light on this issue?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,524 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    This seems to be the case in Cork, where roundabouts which have been regulating traffic quite well are being dug up at enourmous cost and being replaced with signalised junctions which are causing traffic chaos.

    Absolutely mental.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    The use of UK type roundabouts in Irish urban areas was a systematically incompetent policy and arguably raises serious questions as to the judgement and character of the officials involved.

    The decision to use roundabouts of this type was effectively a decision to exclude cyclists and pedestrians from our towns and cities and by extension a decision to impose unecessary motor traffic and traffic congestion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    The decision to use roundabouts of this type was effectively a decision to exclude cyclists and pedestrians from our towns and cities and by extension a decision to impose unecessary motor traffic and traffic congestion.

    Nonsense. Some junctions are well suited to roundabouts, others not. Perhaps you can say that the inappropriate use of roundabouts causes problems, but you cannot say that all UK road design is entirely useless or that all roundabouts are inappropriate.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    I really can't believe that it is national policy now to remove roundabouts - they work perfectly well where there are traffic flows of equal volume on the approach roads. Where they don't work well are where a busy road meets a lightly trafficked road and traffic from the latter road hardly has a chance to access the roundabout.

    Plus - it looks like some new traffic light juhnctions are creating far more traffic problem than they were meant to solve.:(

    Has anyone contacted the NRA to ask if removing roundabouts is now national roads policy?

    Could there be instances where roundabouts are removed and replaced by traffic lights only to have the roundabouts reinstated later? Great use of scarce money! :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,524 ✭✭✭AugustusMinimus


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Could there be instances where roundabouts are removed and replaced by traffic lights only to have the roundabouts reinstated later? Great use of scarce money! :rolleyes:

    Cork City council wasted about €200k removing the roundabout outside of Finbarrs GAA club in Togher in Cork.

    They signalised the junction. Caused traffic chaos. Within a week the lights were put on flashing amber and the junction was quite literally dangerous until the roundabout was rebuilt a number of months ago.

    It is now as it was, a roundabout with pellican crossing on each arm for pedestrian use. It work perfect for both cars and pedestrians a like. If cyclists don't feel comfortable cycling through the roundabout, they can always dismount and walk along the pelican crossings. It will take about 20 seconds longer. A lot less than a cyclist being stopped at a red light.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    ardmacha wrote: »
    Nonsense. Some junctions are well suited to roundabouts, others not. Perhaps you can say that the inappropriate use of roundabouts causes problems, but you cannot say that all UK road design is entirely useless or that all roundabouts are inappropriate.

    Careful you might run out of straw men. I havent said that all UK road design is entirely useless or that all roundabouts are inappropriate.

    For instance, for urban roads as pointed out, I think this roundabout is appropriate.

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    I also like these ones.

    http://www.nmfv.dk/PDF-filer/Vejnormalgruppen/Seminar_stockholm_juli_2011/RDC_Germany.pdf


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    Careful you might run out of straw men. I havent said that all UK road design is entirely useless or that all roundabouts are inappropriate.

    Your original post was unclear. I'd say we pretty much agree.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭patrickbrophy18


    Is this removal of roundabouts going to be rolled out nationwide or just in Cork and Galway?:confused:


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 66,540 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Is this removal of roundabouts going to be rolled out nationwide or just in Cork and Galway?:confused:

    Quite probably not

    Galway is a patchwork to try and cope until the bypass is done

    Cork is just a council spending money before its taken back off them.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,884 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Roundabouts are a pretty debatable concept. In countries where they are not common, they are not used as they are regarded as a traffic hazard. Yet in countries where they are common they are described as the optimal solution. I'd need to read up in detail.

    The sequence of changes a junction usually go through are:
    - Uncontrolled
    - Roundabout
    - (Roundabout with signals)
    - Signalised with no roundabout

    In some countries, like the UK, they just make the roundabout larger as traffic increases. In others, like here, they rip out the roundabout. In some countries, they skip the roundabout stage altogether. In places like the USA, you can find signalised crossroads even in the middle of nowhere.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,669 ✭✭✭who_me


    MYOB wrote: »
    Quite probably not

    Galway is a patchwork to try and cope until the bypass is done

    Cork is just a council spending money before its taken back off them.

    A little OT, but what's going on there? A massive amount of road resurfacing, re-painting of the road markings, new footpaths, bridge repairs etc. Where the hell did all that money come from?


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