wild cattle

Angus4life

i have a black bull weanling 7 months was kept in since winter with 7 more weanlings with the bad weather :rolleyes: let them out yesterday and he is like a bee. was quite in the shed could rub him and everything, went into the field with nuts last 2 days and run like f**k away from me and wen tryed to get closer same again,! any idea why he would get so wild
Thanks

1chippy

Maybe he thinks hes a limo.

whelan1

is he blind?

Angus4life

dont think hes blind anyway cause he used to see me coming wit meal before i was out of the jeep all winter.

TUBBY

That is mad. i came on boards just to tell a similar story.

To answer your question first Angus, I think he will settle after a few days. if you go too near him for the next while til he settles, he could break.

Hope you dont me piggy backing your thread also.
Spent the last two evenings trying to get 17 weanlings in for a test in an out farm. have full herd test. did the ones at home. no major probs altough a few were sharp. These ones are Impossible. Wild as F**k. All from different marts too. I know what people say, it only takes one or two but each one of these appear loopy. No respect for fence or man.
Coral them with white tape fence - no good. rattle bag of nuts - drove them mad. Heads up and gone for next field straight away.

Even going to look at them which I do twice a day, they are wary enough and do an aul gallop before settling. Have them a month and they seem to be getting worse every day.

Any suggestions as i have to get them in.
Thinking plenty of people and put up permanent fencing to coral or funnel them in.

redzerologhlen

TUBBY wrote: »

That is mad. i came on boards just to tell a similar story.

To answer your question first Angus, I think he will settle after a few days. if you go too near him for the next while til he settles, he could break.

Hope you dont me piggy backing your thread also.
Spent the last two evenings trying to get 17 weanlings in for a test in an out farm. have full herd test. did the ones at home. no major probs altough a few were sharp. These ones are Impossible. Wild as F**k. All from different marts too. I know what people say, it only takes one or two but each one of these appear loopy. No respect for fence or man.
Coral them with white tape fence - no good. rattle bag of nuts - drove them mad. Heads up and gone for next field straight away.

Even going to look at them which I do twice a day, they are wary enough and do an aul gallop before settling. Have them a month and they seem to be getting worse every day.

Any suggestions as i have to get them in.
Thinking plenty of people and put up permanent fencing to coral or funnel them in.

Had the same thing a few months ago, Let in a few quiet cows that knew the run of the place and left them mix for 2 days and the followed the cows over the road and into the crush then. Might not work for you if its all drystock you have. Fences dont seem to work if cattle have what we call blind fear, they go through them without even seeing them.

TUBBY

all drystock alright redzer. yeah, blind fear is the best way to describe it.
Would love to get them in now and let them off to nearest mart.

cant see meself getting them in twice for testing. worst thing is the last date for getting test completed is monday and the way dept are going, they could kick up a fuss.
wud love to see them get these lads in.

ger b

tubby could you try feeding them a bit of meal getting them closer to the pen the whole time.can work but always 1 cagey fecker to ruin it all at the last minute.angus if you brought a bucket with you he might not be to bad if he taught he was getting something

kay 9

Mr. Burdizzo could settle them bast**ds for ya. Hate mad cattle, even though they have improved in recent years.

bob charles

TUBBY wrote: »

Any suggestions as i have to get them in.
Thinking plenty of people and put up permanent fencing to coral or funnel them in.

as little people arounds as possible an a couple of cattle dogs. I have yet to fail to bring animals out of a field with my two dogs. most I have had is 3 attempts to get animals out a gate in middle of field. Even sucklers with calves at foot that were never handled with dogs after a bit of argy bargy they get the message but you have to have two dogs. It would never bother me when buying animals is they are cross.

Recently had a non farming friend about and we went moving stock. He couldn't believe the way the two dogs were able to work and handle the animals. I would never consider my dogs very good but they do me IYKWIM. Aslong as the local parish priest isn't within 500m when things go pear shaped.

whelan1

a neighbour had a mental bullock ,couldnt get him in for testing , dept wouldnt give him his cards til he was tested....

pakalasa

15 cows and I do all AI. So it's a case of having to get cows in, on my own, before I head to work in the morning.
Two ways that work for me, a bit of meal or I trick them. I have 4 cows that won't come for meal. In fact they head to far side of the field when they see me coming with the bit of meal. They are that cute.
At the moment, I have them in two fields, a big one and a small one beside it. There is a hole in the ditch between the two fields. I hunt them into the small field away from the pen. They go straight through the hole, to get away. I have the electric tape set up at the far side, running the whole way to the pen. It works a treat.
They'll all be culled in time.

poor farmer

ger b wrote: »

tubby could you try feeding them a bit of meal getting them closer to the pen the whole time.can work but always 1 cagey fecker to ruin it all at the last minute.angus if you brought a bucket with you he might not be to bad if he taught he was getting something

+1 small bit of nuts/meal keep going out and standing with them ,try and identify
the wildest one (leader) then if you ever get them in take the h....r out

jerdee

What I did when I worked a large farm on Scotland was get up on quad or tractor and do a few laps around the field just to tire them out a bit .then nuts one field at a time took four days to get eighty bullocks in for clipping all not handled ever.all calved outside and weaned

Nightmare work but a least I was in the middle of nowhere nearest neighbour was four miles as the crow flies.

whelan1

poor farmer wrote: »

+1 small bit of nuts/meal keep going out and standing with them ,try and identify
the wildest one (leader) then if you ever get them in take the h....r out

meal and talk to them:) or a few old cows in with them to calm them down

TUBBY

got them in this morning anyway for test after 3 hours of funneling them in and having three different paddocks that if they broke out, they had to break again twice to get free.

My thinking was that most would not go through a few fences. It worked cause the few that did wanted to get back then to the rest after breaking. anyway after all that, one of the whoors leapt a 5' 6" wall and will be tested tuesday now when the rest read so another waste of a morning next friday.

Pain in the hole.

thanks for all the replies. tried nuts alright with a trough half way down the field. Shaking the empty bag nearly drove them cracked:)

poor yokes didnt know what nuts were and i think they hardly know what people are either.

Its like everything. if cattle arent used to being handled, they are cruel nervous of anyone.

iverjohnston

I had a20 month Limo full bull who was so wild we couldnt get him into a crush to test even though he had been the shed all winter. After half a dozen tries he cleared two 6 foot gates and away. Took a week to get him back into the yard with a bunch of cows. Still couldny get him tested. A complete lunatic, and dangerous. As I had an incomplete test, I couldnt get the cards back. I suggested shooting him and putting him in the freezer, but you can imagine the Department reaction to that. They told me that if I didn't get him tested quick they would send the Army out to shoot him and the carcase would go to the knackery. At least he would eat meal (if you wern't looking) So we organised a test day, and the night before give him 25kg of beef nuts. He wasn't fit to waddle in the morning, and walked up the crush fairly quietly in the end.

TUBBY

well the good news is that i got test done. Bad news is that i went through about three reels of wire and five or six posts to do it with them going through every fence I put up to coral them.

they would go through anything but after driving a jeep around the field after them for nearly a tank of diesels worth of mileage:), eventually got them in after they were in bits. Jeep was a last resort cause my BP was getting very high and I wasnt far off getting a rifle at them.

Only prob now is pneumonia after that running (the cattle not me).

As regards nuts, have trough up beside them in far corner of field to try and coax them in bit by bit but they have no interest.

They wont be moved again now until mart time thank god.

funny thing is they pass no remarks on tractor or jeep beside them but ape**** at the sight of a person passing on the road a hundred yards away.

iverjohnston

As a matter of intrest, are these cattle on an outfarm or at home? There isn't a chance of a local hunt club having dogs out running free, or local lads out shooting etc?
A farmer with land locally, a sensible kind of fellow, has a section of land which he always cuts silage on, even though it is hillier than the rest of the farm. He told me that there is some kind of "presence" in that part of the farm, and even quiet cattle will be completely mad in a week of being put there!

Figerty

TUBBY wrote: »

well the good news is that i got test done. Bad news is that i went through about three reels of wire and five or six posts to do it with them going through every fence I put up to coral them.

they would go through anything but after driving a jeep around the field after them for nearly a tank of diesels worth of mileage:), eventually got them in after they were in bits. Jeep was a last resort cause my BP was getting very high and I wasnt far off getting a rifle at them.

Only prob now is pneumonia after that running (the cattle not me).

As regards nuts, have trough up beside them in far corner of field to try and coax them in bit by bit but they have no interest.

They wont be moved again now until mart time thank god.

funny thing is they pass no remarks on tractor or jeep beside them but ape**** at the sight of a person passing on the road a hundred yards away.

I hope you didn't waste white diesel in the field!!!

pakalasa

A small thing - but I noticed cattle, are a lot quiter early in the morning, a bit 'sleepy' I suppose, like the rest of us.

A few years back we had a lunatic of a black limousin bullock that cleared a 5" wall on test day. I asked the vet would he be ok - "God no, he'll have to be done". We both headed up the field to get him. When he saw us coming he cleared out over the hedge and kept running in the next field. The vet turned around to me and goes - "I suppose he'll be ok"...:D

TUBBY

iverjohnston wrote: »

As a matter of intrest, are these cattle on an outfarm or at home? There isn't a chance of a local hunt club having dogs out running free, or local lads out shooting etc?
A farmer with land locally, a sensible kind of fellow, has a section of land which he always cuts silage on, even though it is hillier than the rest of the farm. He told me that there is some kind of "presence" in that part of the farm, and even quiet cattle will be completely mad in a week of being put there!

On an outfarm alright. No they just wild I reckon. They mostly from tipp direction and I reckon they used to lads herding in the jeep rather than on foot. The only presence in my place is floods at the minute.
Think you right pakalasa about early morning. it the only hope of getting them in i reckon. they are not evening cattle:)