Who is your teams most overrated player?

mikemac1

It's very easy to post about your underrated players, we all think our team has stars and that the media gives us a harsh time

But fans need to be able to criticize too and take off those tinted glasses

So for a change, tell us the most overrated player on your team.
Probably has a good reputation around the league but tbh, you don't rate them so much


Ravens

Matt Birk Center
Multiple pro-bowler, established leader and one of the better known linemen in the league.
But I have little confidence he'll finish the season and I was expecting him to retire.
Was poor in the second half of the season and got destroyed by Vince Wilfork in the AFC championship game.
Good to have in the lockerroom but best days long gone.

HigginsJ

New York Giants

An over-rated player on the superbowl champions hmmmmmm

Ok 2 players spring to mind. (admittedly one may not be overrated just bothers me that we are paying him so much and I want to give out about how rubbish he is)

Antrel Rolle: Paid like one of the top safeties in the NFL but an absolute lost cause in coverage. Showed some potential in few snaps at LB but god he is utter rubbish.

Victor Cruz: He is a decent slot receiver but a few circus catches and some horrible tackling by the Jets, Eagles, Cowboys all contributed to his amazing season. Giants fans view Nicks as our number 1/best receiver but inexplicably Cruz came out on top in both versions of top 100 this year. It will be interesting to see what he can do next season as he was a bit of a bolt from the blue this year and was no-where near as effective in the play-offs.

matthew8

There are a few. I don't think Matt Birk is really that rated anymore. Michael Oher gets too many pro bowl votes but I think he only gets votes thanks to his fame and people don't really think he's all that good. Again with Ray Lewis I don't think he's too big a difference maker but most people recognise that too. I'll have to go with Marshal Yanda. If we could have one of Yanda or Grubbs it's Grubbs every day of the week. He gets praised by some as one of the NFL's best RGs but I don't see it. Webb gets a bit too much praise for his interceptions imo, our coverage is savaged when our pass rush isn't on top.

At the end of the day I'll go with Marshal Yanda.

mikemac1

Yeah if I didn't pick Birk I would have picked Oher

Sweeps up the fan votes for the pro-bowl every year but he was famous before he even got drafted
And not for his football skills which are looking very average at the moment, good chance he won't be getting a second contract in Baltimore, may let him walk

matthew8

mikemac1 wrote: »

Yeah if I didn't pick Birk I would have picked Oher

Sweeps up the fan votes for the pro-bowl every year but he was famous before he even got drafted
And not for his football skills which are looking very average at the moment, good chance he won't be getting a second contract in Baltimore, may let him walk

I think he can block, but he just has to cut down on the penalties. It would be a big let down to fail to re-sign Gaither only for him to become a star with the Chargers, then the next year lose Grubbs, a current star, and then lose Oher the next year. I think he can pull it together this year. The young guys are going to have a hell of a lot of pressure on them. The line could fall apart. 2 old guys, a guy coming out of contract, a top 10 RG though overrated, and A.N other at LG.

HigginsJ

matthew8 wrote: »

Webb gets a bit too much praise for his interceptions imo, our coverage is savaged when our pass rush isn't on top.

I like Webb alot and he didnt give up a singe TD last year. Up there as one of the best corners in the league, possibly just behind Revis and Nnamndi. If anything i would say he is under-rated. And to be fair most DB's will struggle if pass rush not up to scratch.

It's the one's who struggle with a good pass rush tha worry

matthew8

HigginsJ wrote: »

I like Webb alot and he didnt give up a singe TD last year. Up there as one of the best corners in the league, possibly just behind Revis and Nnamndi. If anything i would say he is under-rated. And to be fair most DB's will struggle if pass rush not up to scratch.

It's the one's who struggle with a good pass rush tha worry

He's certainly very good and makes CB a strength for us, but I don't like when people equate him to Nnamdi and Revis or even Joe Haden. He gets a lot of help from the pass rush and Ed Reed doing a very nice job on shutting down the deep ball (going deep in normal situations was not something QBs liked to do against us thanks to Ed, Brady only tried the deep ball in nothing situations in the playoffs against us and we had it covered). Like Yanda, he's high quality, but gets a little too much praise.

UnitedIrishman

I'm gonna go with AJ Hawk. Maybe because he's beside Clay Matthews he looks like he's not doing much, but you rarely see him make big plays.

Tough enough question because everyone knows how poor our CB's have been the last couple of years in terms of allowing receivers get free, so you could hardly consider them overrated - nor our running backs.

eagle eye

Patriots: Its the next guy we all think is great and then gets traded by Belichick.:D

BigBadRob83

eagle eye wrote: »

Patriots: Its the next guy we all think is great and then gets traded by Belichick.:D

Hard to pick a Patriot for this, definitely not anyone on defense since Merriweather left. No-one rated highly enough to be over-rated (Wilfork and Mayo deserve their praise).
That leaves the offense, where the guys who get big props are Brady (deserved), Gronk (deserved), Mankins (deserved), does that leave Wes Welker? Hard to call him over-rated, but... the Pats don't seem to rate him enough for a long-term deal.

mikemac1

The two Pats fans didn't answer the question ^^^^^

Just typical

Taking after their coach

TaosHum

Vernon Carey: For a while he was most certainly Miami's most over-rated, as he has been poor for the past three seasons now. The drafting of Johnathan Martin and preferring of Marc Colombo last year at RT,while Carey was moved inside has more people noticing his mediocrity.

Vontae Davis: Dont get me wrong,I'm a huge fan of Davis' physicality, attitude and ability. But lapses in concentration have plagued him so far in the NFL, which have resulted in him being burned badly on numerous occasions. Claimed himself and Sean Smith were the best CB tandem in the league prior to last season. There not even near it.

Karlos Dansby: Another guy I like, but his performances last season were ordinary for large parts of the season and he is getting paid far too much to be playing ordinary football. Need to see more from him this season.

Starks, Soliai, Wake, Pouncey and Long are the only others that are in any way rated and deservedly so IMO. Reggie Bush has defied expectations so far considering nobody thought he would be a 1,000 yard rusher.

eagles

vick and peters

there both good players but not as good as there given credit for

vick : one of the most terrifying multi threat qbs in history but for a guy getting paid franchise qb money you cant be missing 3-4 games every year he will miss a few games this year book it now. on top of that on his day i feel hes one of the best in the league but when he has an off day (happened all to often last year) he will destroy your game like few else can. name me another qb bar tebow thats this hyped but has never looked like winning a sb.

peters: again great player but is getting to much credit for last year before last year he was a good lt on his day but drew to many penaltys at key points and fell asleep every so often. he was great last year but i feel a lot of the improvement was on howard mudd

again i think there very good players just not quite as good as people think

frostie500

Myah Worried Cloud wrote: »

vick : one of the most terrifying multi threat qbs in history but for a guy getting paid franchise qb money you cant be missing 3-4 games every year he will miss a few games this year book it now. on top of that on his day i feel hes one of the best in the league but when he has an off day (happened all to often last year) he will destroy your game like few else can. name me another qb bar tebow thats this hyped but has never looked like winning a sb.

I think it's unfair to use Vick's injury history as a reason to say he's over-rated. Throughout his career it has always been said that he suffers too many injuries because of his style of play. It's part of his reputation and standing. It's known as a major detraction from his status in the league. It's not as if writers and fans don't know about it and is always cited about Vick.

Last year Vick struggled because the line was performing terrible as a unit and he was under severe pressure throughout games. With no time in the pocket he struggled. There's nothing unusual about that for a QB. By the end of the season the line was playing better and so was Vick.

Personally I cant believe that anyone would compare Vick to Tebow, especially when talking in terms of potentially winning a Super Bowl. Vick is on a completely different level to Tebow and is one of the better QBs in the league. Look at his performance two years ago and I think you'll see that he can play at an incredibly high level throughout a season and lead his team very effectively.

That season we had a great chance of winning it all and a lot of it came down to how Vick was able to use the multiple weapons of the Eagles offence to the maximum. this year hopefully he'll have a functioning line, McCoy, Maclin and Jackson and the same defence that showed up at the end of the season and he'll be able to perform at the level he showed two years ago.

Lionbacker

Lions

Has to be Avril. Granted he gets a fair few sacks but its the system the Lions use which enables him to get most of them. Put him on any other team & his impact would significantly reduced.
Add to that, his awful run blocking ability & now wants to be payed top DE money when he really isn't worth it.

jack presley

I'm a Redskins fan and all of our players are average and you've got to be rated in the first place to be even in with a chance of being considered overrated!

HigginsJ

jack presley wrote: »

I'm a Redskins fan and all of our players are average and you've got to be rated in the first place to be even in with a chance of being considered overrated!

Bit harsh on Kerrigan and Orakpo no?

jack presley

HigginsJ wrote: »

jack presley wrote: »

I'm a Redskins fan and all of our players are average and you've got to be rated in the first place to be even in with a chance of being considered overrated!

Bit harsh on Kerrigan and Orakpo no?

Yeah I was only joking. Orakpo can be a bit hit and miss though

frostie500

frostie500 wrote: »

I think it's unfair to use Vick's injury history as a reason to say he's over-rated. Throughout his career it has always been said that he suffers too many injuries because of his style of play. It's part of his reputation and standing. It's known as a major detraction from his status in the league. It's not as if writers and fans don't know about it and is always cited about Vick.

Last year Vick struggled because the line was performing terrible as a unit and he was under severe pressure throughout games. With no time in the pocket he struggled. There's nothing unusual about that for a QB. By the end of the season the line was playing better and so was Vick.

Personally I cant believe that anyone would compare Vick to Tebow, especially when talking in terms of potentially winning a Super Bowl. Vick is on a completely different level to Tebow and is one of the better QBs in the league. Look at his performance two years ago and I think you'll see that he can play at an incredibly high level throughout a season and lead his team very effectively.

That season we had a great chance of winning it all and a lot of it came down to how Vick was able to use the multiple weapons of the Eagles offence to the maximum. this year hopefully he'll have a functioning line, McCoy, Maclin and Jackson and the same defence that showed up at the end of the season and he'll be able to perform at the level he showed two years ago.

1. i think injury history is key i rate him in a group with rivers big ben and eli but the key is the others stay healthy

2.i disagree with the line comment our like was a joke before last season but mudd did a great job i think we had a pretty good line for most of the year

3. i didnt compare tebow to vick in chance of winning a sb more in the hype the receive tebows a joke of a qb vicks a top 7 qb

to be honest i think its a big harsh myself but if i had to pick a player id pick him we dont have to many overrated players as no one is as harsh at rating our players as philly fans

jack presley

jack presley wrote: »

Yeah I was only joking. Orakpo can be a bit hit and miss though

rg3, helu , garcon , cooley , cofield , fletcher and hall

redskins have some talented players they just use them wrong

Danger_dave1

Myah Worried Cloud wrote: »

3. i didnt compare tebow to vick in chance of winning a sb more in the hype the receive tebows a joke of a qb vicks a top 7 qb

Tim Tebow took his team on a 6-2 record on the stretch , got his team into the play offs and then passed for over 300 yards on the Pittsburgh Steelers to reach the AFC conference game.

You may dislike tebow , you may consider him to be a below average passer but Tim Tebow is not a joke of a QB.

Danger_dave1

Danger_dave1 wrote: »

Tim Tebow took his team on a 6-2 record on the stretch , got his team into the play offs and then passed for over 300 yards on the Pittsburgh to reach the AFC conference game.

You may dislike tebow , you may consider him to be a below average passer but Tim Tebow is not a joke of a QB.

ronnie brown one the dolphins a few games at qb that does not mean hes a good qb. tebow seems to be a great leader but hes not a good qb hes gona be figured out pretty quick. on top of that guys like joe namath, brad johnson and trent dilfer winning sbs prove you cant put it all on the qb its about the team around him he managed the team well but itl only last so long

having said that a joke was an exaggeration hes not a joke but hes not an nfl qb either.


just my opinion of coarse tebow debates are always fun:D

HigginsJ

Myah Worried Cloud wrote: »

rg3, helu , garcon , cooley , cofield , fletcher and hall

redskins have some talented players they just use them wrong

ha ha bit quick to criticise them for ruining RG3 no?!!!

As far as I am aware Fred Davis was the no.1 te at the end of last year due to cooley's injuries/lack of production.

HigginsJ

HigginsJ wrote: »

Myah Worried Cloud wrote: »

rg3, helu , garcon , cooley , cofield , fletcher and hall

redskins have some talented players they just use them wrong

ha ha bit quick to criticise them for ruining RG3 no?!!!

As far as I am aware Fred Davis was the no.1 te at the end of last year due to cooley's injuries/lack of production.

Haha ya jumping the gun a bit but when you like a guy you like a guy

Fred davis is a good te but I rate a healthy cooley higher for now as an eagles fan i know he's had some damn good games against us Fred Davis is getting there though

jester1980

I wouldnt say over rated but a few players who have not lived up to expectations that need a good year this year.

Gerald McCoy (Unlucky with injuries)
Brian Price 2nd rounder
Arrelious Benn 2nd rounder
Myron Lewis 3rd rounder

Leslie91

Chargers

Jeromey Clary - our starting RT is a v poor RT. Amazing he has not been beaten out.

Molly

But no one actually rates clary.

Last year I would have said Tolbert, this year i'm not sure, people seem to be rating Ingram extremely highly with nothing to go on.

At the risk of getttin lynched phillip rivers for the chargers?

The 2 qbs drafted with him have 2 Sbs each

RGIII

Wouldn't really say any Seattle player is overrated. Pete Carrolls competition mantra means the best player is always starting. Maybe Chris Clemons, scheme masks his weaknesses and he disappears a bit too much.

RGIII

RGIII wrote: »

Wouldn't really say any Seattle player is overrated. Pete Carrolls competition mantra means the best player is always starting. Maybe Chris Clemons, scheme masks his weaknesses and he disappears a bit too much.

Not s player but do you think Pete Carrolls overrated some of his draft picks are questionable on top of that you have the whitehurst, Jackson experiments

HigginsJ

Myah Worried Cloud wrote: »

At the risk of getttin lynched phillip rivers for the chargers?

The 2 qbs drafted with him have 2 Sbs each

couldn't agree more!!

and yes you will be lynched for that comment

Justin10

Haha the Rivers debate. Why I totally disagree is because Rivers has put up better numbers, and im convinced if Rivers was on the Steelers or Giants they still would of won the SB.

Overrated for the Chargers, I would have said Tolbert & Jackson (Goes missing sometimes)
At the minute for overrated, none really because they aint rated. I would probably go with Spikes, bit slow in coverage,

TaosHum

In what sense is Rivers over-rated?

Because he hasn't won a Superbowl?

TaosHum

TaosHum wrote: »

In what sense is Rivers over-rated?

Because he hasn't won a Superbowl?

he hasent even gotten to a superbowl and only goten to one afc championship if you look at eli(who he was traded for) and big ben who was selected 7 spots behind him hes the worst of the 3 by far.
i know the big card to play is the teams they where on but rivers has been on some fantastic chargers teams

matthew8

Alright he hasn't won a superbowl, but I think if you put him on this years' Giants team they still would've won it.

would he tho also if you put eli on a team with one of the greatest running backs of all time at his peak and for arguments sake the 2008 defense he would have won

matthew8

Myah Worried Cloud wrote: »

would he tho also if you put eli on a team with one of the greatest running backs of all time at his peak and for arguments sake the 2008 defense he would have won

The Chargers were knocked out by the Steelers. In that game Chargers rushed for 15 yards off 12 carries. They gave up 35 points. Philip Rivers could do nothing about that. I highly doubt Eli could've put in a better performance than Rivers, who threw for 308 yards and 3 touchdowns and a pick.

eagle eye

This thread is awful now.

Justin10

No more Rivers discussion.
Back on topic

Leslie91

Molly wrote: »

But no one actually rates clary.

Last year I would have said Tolbert, this year i'm not sure, people seem to be rating Ingram extremely highly with nothing to go on.

I know what you mean ie. certainly not many fans rate the guy. But he is obviously rated by the coaching staff in that they have not gone out aggressively to get a replacement.

Leslie91

Rochey18 wrote: »

Haha the Rivers debate. Why I totally disagree is because Rivers has put up better numbers, and im convinced if Rivers was on the Steelers or Giants they still would of won the SB.

Overrated for the Chargers, I would have said Tolbert & Jackson (Goes missing sometimes)
At the minute for overrated, none really because they aint rated. I would probably go with Spikes, bit slow in coverage,

I agree, it's hard to pick a Charger who is overrated because few are actually 'rated'. Nice point about VJ even though he is a Buc now. Malcom is as good a player if he could stay on the field.

RGIII

Myah Worried Cloud wrote: »

Not s player but do you think Pete Carrolls overrated some of his draft picks are questionable on top of that you have the whitehurst, Jackson experiments

Only questionable draft pick was James Carpenter. And I'll take those picks when he can find Kam Chancellor, Richard Sherman and Doug Baldwin for nothing in the late rounds. Whitehurst was a failed experiment but I cant see how Jackson is. He was the best option out of a bad bunch and lead the team to a 7-9 record while playing injured. Judging by the preseason predictions, not many people expected that.

Carroll has his minuses but the pluses far outweigh them. I've complete confidence in him and hopefully he is the coach for the long term.

spank_inferno

As a Packers fan, I can't think of anyone being overrated.

People might say our defence is over-rated but the reality is that no one rated them much to begin with!

I think our offence is rated exactly where they should be, ie: on their day, unbeatable.

spiralism

Last year it would have been Andre Goodman. Got his fair share of INTS but got abused in coverage repeatedly throughout. Hard to say now because there's a good amount of new faces on defence and the offence is going to be completely different this year thanks to one Peyton Manning.

Defensively i dont really rate Joe Mays as a player, but not many do. Great for a big hit...and thats about it. Cant diagnose plays well, gets caught out in pass coverage and can get lost in run support...but i ****ing love him every time he creals an opposing player. DJ Williams is probably not as good as let on and has a bit too many attitude problems....other than that its hard to say.

garysully1986

As a Bears fan, I'm still not convinced of Cutler!

I want to believe he can shine this year but my head is telling me that he will let us down again!

JaMarcus Hustle

Its a miracle Cutler has achieved anything with the dross he's had at receiver in Chicago. Just watch what he does with Marshall again this year - trust me, then you'll be convinced!

UnitedIrishman

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Its a miracle Cutler has achieved anything with the dross he's had at receiver in Chicago. Just watch what he does with Marshall again this year - trust me, then you'll be convinced!

It's a miracle he's still alive given the sieve like O-Line he's had in front of him!

I think with a bit more protection and more options, he'll do a good job for the Bears.