Slow down on the wet roads guys!

Tallon

Driving in this morning, and the road was fairly slippy.

M50 had the traffic signs flashing with "Surface water. Drive Slow"

Amazing the amount of people that still horsed it past me and that were driving right up the car in front's rear end!

Here's a video of a car aquaplaning last week
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=728_1340793098

Very scary stuff

kingtrojan

Agreed, the roads where very slippy in the lucan and clondalking areas today, audi a4s are not built to drift around roundabouts

Mycroft H

Signs telling me to slow down? Pffft

paddy147

You can also blame the people responsible for laying the new tarmac surfacing on the new M50.

Thay completely fcuked it up with regards standing water.

Atomic Pineapple

It's weird, when I'm driving home if its a nice dry sunny day all I seem to come across is people driving 20km/h under the limit oblivious to all around then and not keeping up with traffic but when its lashing rain all I see if people driving like lunatics!

There was two arseholes having a full blown race on an almost flooded M2 last weekend!

miller50841

There are some nuts out there that won't even slow down for fog so not any bit surprised. One thing I will add is to anybody replacing their tyres for new ones pay the little extra for good qaulity ones because I learned that the hard way and was lucky I walked away and the tree and ditch were ok too but the vectra didn't lets say became a convertible. Think of it this way how important are you, your car and its occupants..

Big Nasty

Rain? The sun is splitting the stones all day!

Tallon

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Rain? The sun is splitting the stones all day!

Not this morning

dgt

In todays world of low profile and wide tyres, it's all to easy to acquaplane without even going fast. Led into a false sense of security with traction control, brake distribution and abs. That's when things go wrong

I've done it myself :rolleyes:

some people need to slow down

some people need to speed up

MugMugs

bluewolf wrote: »

some people need to slow down

some people need to speed up

Too true.

"Drive appropriately to the road conditions" would be a better title.

Max Power1

bluewolf wrote: »

some people need to slow down

some people need to speed up

QFT. Quite Fuckin True!

Zubeneschamali

bluewolf wrote: »

some people need to slow down

some people need to speed up

The people in front of me need to speed up.

That guy up my arse needs to slow down.

tossy

dgt wrote: »

In todays world of low profile and wide tyres, it's all to easy to acquaplane without even going fast. Led into a false sense of security with traction control, brake distribution and abs. That's when things go wrong

I've done it myself :rolleyes:

I'd rather take my chances on wide ass premium tyres over skinny sh!te ditch finders that the majority of cars seem to be running.

Stinicker

In Soviet Russia car crash hurt car not you.

jimbomalley

paddy147 wrote: »

You can also blame the people responsible for laying the new tarmac surfacing on the new M50.

Thay completely fcuked it up with regards standing water.

It's actually a problem of repair costs. Most of the m50 is surfaced in HRA tarmac which is very durable - ie lasts ages usually - but is not that porous ie. Is like a frickin pond in heavy rain. These are the phase 1 and 2 sections of the upgrade. The one patch that doesn't flood and is more porous - the bit where the old toll bridge was and was a separate contract to 1 and 2 and is a different type of surfacing (SMA) - is already beginning to break up in places. Like everything in this life, it's down to money and porous tarmac doesn't last on heavy traffic roads.

Anyway. The roads in Thailand today were dry as fcuk. Thank Jebus for summer holidays!

Ded_Zebra

Stay away from the Triangles, linglongs and Hifly tires and standing water isn't much of an issue. :rolleyes:

Veloce

dgt wrote: »

In todays world of low profile and wide tyres, it's all to easy to acquaplane without even going fast. Led into a false sense of security with traction control, brake distribution and abs. That's when things go wrong

I've done it myself :rolleyes:

Tell me about it! I've had 2 brown trouser moments on the N7

Nissan doctor

dgt wrote: »

In todays world of low profile and wide tyres, it's all to easy to acquaplane without even going fast. Led into a false sense of security with traction control, brake distribution and abs. That's when things go wrong

I've done it myself :rolleyes:

Its today's world of cheap Chinese tyres that are the problem, in Ireland at least.

The widest, lowest profile premium tyres will not aquaplane at normal driving speeds, or a good bit above for that matter. The same cannot be said of the tyres that most people are happy to have on their cars these days.


The video posted above is from Russia by the looks of it where even worse vehicle maintenance practices then here often play a factor.

Greyfoot

In the video there is a phenomenon I never encountered in Ireland. The tarmac has the distinctive "track" mark of trucks, made by HVG`s over the years. Those channels can be as deep as 2" and as wide as a trucks tyre and it can be extremely dangerous during rain.

Things start to go bad when one of the wheels gets out of the channel and therefore losing most grip.(Also standard diffs dont help in those situations either)

ZENER

Greyfoot wrote: »

In the video there is a phenomenon I never encountered in Ireland. The tarmac has the distinctive "track" mark of trucks, made by HVG`s over the years. Those channels can be as deep as 2" and as wide as a trucks tyre and it can be extremely dangerous during rain.

Things start to go bad when one of the wheels gets out of the channel and therefore losing most grip.(Also standard diffs dont help in those situations either)

Can't remember the technical term - something lateral distortion or something ? - but it was given as a reason for not converting the original M50 to 3 lanes. Trucks and other heavy vehicles would leave grooves in the road as you describe.

Ken

Tallon

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Rain? The sun is splitting the stones all day!

Bet you're glad you're not in Cork boi today!









And up North, for the lol's

mickdw

Nissan doctor wrote: »

dgt wrote: »

In todays world of low profile and wide tyres, it's all to easy to acquaplane without even going fast. Led into a false sense of security with traction control, brake distribution and abs. That's when things go wrong

I've done it myself :rolleyes:

Its today's world of cheap Chinese tyres that are the problem, in Ireland at least.

The widest, lowest profile premium tyres will not aquaplane at normal driving speeds, or a good bit above for that matter. The same cannot be said of the tyres that most people are happy to have on their cars these days.


The video posted above is from Russia by the looks of it where even worse vehicle maintenance practices then here often play a factor.

Imo wide tyres are woeful when it comes to hitting standing water. I'm talking factory fitted 245 40 18 pilot sport. The wider tyre simply cannot get down onto the road surface once the thread capacity is overcome. Obviously this would be driving beyond the speed that the conditions allow in the general case however it will happen when hitting the odd puddle in the dark or whatever and a skinnier tyre behaves better in that case. The wide tyre is better at all other times though.

Dartz

Driving with a electric window stuck down this morning

GeneHunt

LIGHTNING wrote: »

It also looks like a 80`s Russian eco-crapbox that probably has bald tyres!

It's a Volkswagen Golf Mk2 (1983–1992) not Russian but German...

christmas2012

ive seen other cars aqua plane the car is completely out of your control at that stage,make sure you go slow and your tyres are in order even then its better to go slow down..

bladespin

tossy wrote: »

I'd rather take my chances on wide ass premium tyres over skinny sh!te ditch finders that the majority of cars seem to be running.

Wide tyres offer less grip in bad conditions FACT!

tossy

bladespin wrote: »

Wide tyres offer less grip in bad conditions FACT!

You are twisting my statement to suit your FACT,but i love when people end sentences with FACT on the internet it really brightens up my day.

Less grip in bad conditions than what....... :rolleyes:

Maybe a set of 255 F1's (lets say) wouldn't be as good as a set of 185 F1's in the wet but i'd take my chances in 255 F1's over 185 or any other size charlie cheapo **** ditch finders any day at any speed FACT!

furtzy

Was surprisingly impressed by the Nankangs in this mornings deluge. No probs at alll with all the standing water on the M2.

VeVeX

furtzy wrote: »

Was surprisingly impressed by the Nankangs in this mornings deluge. No probs at alll with all the standing water on the M2.

In other words before today's surprise you were knowingly driving your car around with tyres that you presumed were rubbish in bad weather?

furtzy

VeVeX wrote: »

In other words before today's surprise you were knowingly driving your car around with tyres that you presumed were rubbish in bad weather?

Not at all. Never presumed they were rubbish just knew they weren't as good as my usual premium brands but today they surprised me by being equally as good

jsd1004

tossy wrote: »

You are twisting my statement to suit your FACT,but i love when people end sentences with FACT on the internet it really brightens up my day.

Less grip in bad conditions than what....... :rolleyes:

Maybe a set of 255 F1's (lets say) wouldn't be as good as a set of 185 F1's in the wet but i'd take my chances in 255 F1's over 185 or any other size charlie cheapo **** ditch finders any day at any speed FACT!

I have a set of yoka A088's on my Lotus. Savage in the dry but lethal in the wet. Bit like the chinese yokes..not as cheap though

ShadowHearth

Well in cork Blackpool is fudged... And we were planing to go on Saturday to do some shoping . I wonder if it will get sorted till Saturday...

langdang

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Well in cork Blackpool is fudged... And we were planing to go on Saturday to do some shoping . I wonder if it will get sorted till Saturday...

I'd be glad of any excuse not to go to Blackpool! ( I'd suffer it for Dino's chipper I suppose). Go on into town or mahon point :-)

Joe 90

jsd1004 wrote: »

I have a set of yoka A088's on my Lotus. Savage in the dry but lethal in the wet. Bit like the chinese yokes..not as cheap though

I've Toyo T1Rs on mine so as to have a bit more wet grip. I reckon that if you need all the dry grip of Neo Advans on the road your probably heading for trouble at some point.

The thing is, that fact that the T1R has a fair bit of tread is an advantage in the wet but a disadvantage driven hard in the dry. Whereas the AO48 has very little tread so brilliant in the dry and interesting in the wet.
At least in a Lotus the back end slides first.:D

bladespin

tossy wrote: »

You are twisting my statement to suit your FACT,but i love when people end sentences with FACT on the internet it really brightens up my day.

Less grip in bad conditions than what....... :rolleyes:

Maybe a set of 255 F1's (lets say) wouldn't be as good as a set of 185 F1's in the wet but i'd take my chances in 255 F1's over 185 or any other size charlie cheapo **** ditch finders any day at any speed FACT!

Narrow tyres cut through standing water than wide ones, doesn't matter the construction or pattern.

Take a run at a 3in flood on 255s and when you find your way out of that famous ditch you can tell me who's got their facts right

Nissan doctor

bladespin wrote: »

Take a run at a 3in flood on 255s and when you find your way out of that famous ditch you can tell me who's got their facts right

At what speed?

tossy

bladespin wrote: »

Narrow tyres cut through standing water than wide ones, doesn't matter the construction or pattern.

Take a run at a 3in flood on 255s and when you find your way out of that famous ditch you can tell me who's got their facts right

There are no facts in your statement

Like Nissan Doc said what speed ? That's one parameter.

Are you seriously suggesting that some triangles,ling longs or similar muck with absolute no money spent on research,development or testing and with probably no quality control whatsoever will out perform a tyre from Michelin, Goodyear,Pirelli etc with million spent on research and testing (not to mention motorsport pedigree) in standing water or bad conditions just because it is thinner?

If that was the case then wouldn't F1 teams just have 165 tyres as wets? It is possible to get a wide tyre to perform in wet conditions if you throw a few quid at it you know,i think Goodyear F1's are quite possible the best tyre i've ever used in the wet and i've never had anything narrower than 225. That includes driving in some serious bad weather,and the only time i ever felt the had reached there limit was driving through a MASSIVE thunder storm on the outskirts of Prague a few years ago.

I've no doubt if you got 2 identical tyres in identical conditions then the thinner one would out perform the wider one,but you simply can't make sweeping and untrue statements that any narrow tyre is better than a wide one - it's nonsense.

bladespin

tossy wrote: »

There are no facts in your statement

tossy wrote: »

I've no doubt if you got 2 identical tyres in identical conditions then the thinner one would out perform the wider one,but you simply can't make sweeping and untrue statements that any narrow tyre is better than a wide one - it's nonsense.

Think that's pretty much what I said or am I missing something?

I don't ever remember mentioning ling longs or the likes :rolleyes: or saying that 'any' narrow tyre is better than ;'any' wide one in wet conditions.

Nissan doc : try 120kmh, wonder which would feel scary.

tossy

bladespin wrote: »

Think that's pretty much what I said or am I missing something?

I don't ever remember mentioning ling longs or the likes :rolleyes: or saying that 'any' narrow tyre is better than ;'any' wide one in wet conditions.

Nissan doc : try 120kmh, wonder which would feel scary.

I said....

I'd rather take my chances on wide ass premium tyres over skinny sh!te ditch finders that the majority of cars seem to be running.

You said.....

Wide tyres offer less grip in bad conditions FACT!

Which seemed to imply you thought any skinny tyre was a better option,and then you went with a whole load of yabba yabba.,blah blah,so on and so forth (joking)

but all i can hear now is

keithclancy

That guy in the Golf must have had shíte tyres .. or swerved to avoid something

Insufficient thread to push the water out from underneath the tyre.

dgt

Nissan doctor wrote: »

Its today's world of cheap Chinese tyres that are the problem, in Ireland at least.

The widest, lowest profile premium tyres will not aquaplane at normal driving speeds, or a good bit above for that matter. The same cannot be said of the tyres that most people are happy to have on their cars these days.


The video posted above is from Russia by the looks of it where even worse vehicle maintenance practices then here often play a factor.

Can't agree more with you on that

225s on the E34 will give horrific understeer and oversteer... Just useless. What are they? Nankangs :rolleyes:

The 205/40s I use on the van are just lethal in the wet when they get to a certain thread depth but when new they blast water away. Acceleras btw

I did my best to have multiple sets of tyres for different occasions. Like thin winters, fat summers, in between for wet etc. Too uneconomical swapping all the time, so just left it at 2 sets.

My original statement was a hit out at people relying too much on electronic aids. There's only so much they will do...

Like my good friend, he skidded into the ditch outside my house in the frost. Car had no electronic nonsense! His dad, driving a Merc E320 at the time, arrived and began to eat the head of him "You deserve a kick in the b*llox. That car has nothing. This car is fully loaded, traction controll, abs, computers (I swears this is what was said) when it gets into a mess, it corrects itself..." How myself and my friend laughed when later that day he skidded into the ditch himself, in that exact Mercedes, in the exact same spot and got stuck :pac:

Nissan doctor

bladespin wrote: »

Think that's pretty much what I said or am I missing something?

I don't ever remember mentioning ling longs or the likes :rolleyes: or saying that 'any' narrow tyre is better than ;'any' wide one in wet conditions.

Nissan doc : try 120kmh, wonder which would feel scary.

120kp/h is a standard driving speed(less, in fact then many European limits) and will not cause a modern premium tyre, of any width, to aquaplane.


All bar 2 of the cars I have ever owned have had 225 and up tyre widths and aquaplaning has never been an issue unless the tyres where near their wear limit.

You are right in principle, narrow tyres often act better in low grip situations(hence why ice racers etc use almost bicycle sized tyres) but to attempt to give the impression that 'wide' tyres will cause aquaplaning in the wet and anywhere legal speeds is simply not correct.

This is all based of course on proper premium or at least European made/tested tyres. Cheap chinese stuff, of any width, can be lethal at normal speeds.

Kintarō Hattori

Was no-one else impressed with the video quality from the dashcam?! :pac:

af_thefragile

Had a very close call tank slapper once on a very wet road when I only had about 6 months experience.

Since then I go fairly gentle on the breaks and steering, especially in the wet and stay extra alert in the wet to look/feel for any signs of slip/changing grip levels and such... I like how my car manages to communicate the road feel and grip fairly well through the steering and seat/chassis in general.

bladespin

Nissan doctor wrote: »

120kp/h is a standard driving speed(less, in fact then many European limits) and will not cause a modern premium tyre, of any width, to aquaplane.

I was only suggesting Tossy tried it for the feeling (nervy for me anyway - I'm sure most tyres would be ok - hopefully)- wasn't suggesting they try it for the hospital

mickdw

Did someone suggest that a wide premium tyre can hit 3 inches of water at 120 kmh and not aquaplane? I'd like to see that.