Turkish Airlines Safety Record

JayC5

Hey,

Flying Dubin - Istanbul - Bangkok with these guys soon and just found out they have one of the worst safety records of the various European airlines...!!! Many within the company have spoken out on substandard practices - read here

Unfortunately, I also have a serious fear of flying - anyone got any words to console me with or knowledge that they've rectified these issues....??


:eek:

saspeir

Nothing much you can say really. A safety record is a very broad statistical representation of that company. You may with a statistically 'unsafe' airline but may end up having the most experienced and safest captain within that country on your flight.

Would you have the same concerns with Air France/KLM? One of their pilots missed some very basic flight principles when crossing the Atlantic and they ended up in the water.

Flying is very safe. I suggest you study up on what you're likely to feel when you fly. Inertia when you accelerate, g-force when you hit turbulence and exaggerated feel of bank when sitting by the window looking out...

If you expect these feelings you won't be surprised when you do feel them and won't freak out as much. Flying isn't a natural thing for us humans so it's natural to feel frightened of it. Just prepare yourself as much as you can.

Here's a video of a non-normal incident with Flybe, filmed onboard. And here's another of a bird strike with ATC audio. Notice how calm both the crew and pax are... Even when you do have an incident it will more than likely turn out to be perfectly manageable and safe.

Neworder79

I've flown DUB-IST with them and they come across as very professional with good friendly cabin service. Operated with a clean modern 737-800 (same aircraft as Ryanair).

NobodyImportant

Will you be checking the safety record of the cab company you are using to take to the airport? Or the driver who takes you there? Because you would more likely be killed in the taxi to the airport than on the place, a few times over.

conor_ie

Neworder79 wrote: »

I've flown DUB-IST with them and they come across as very professional with good friendly cabin service. Operated with a clean modern 737-800 (same aircraft as Ryanair).

+1

I flew to Istanbul with a couple of years back and found them to be really nice and courteous. Food was fairly decent as well!

christmas2012

Every planes dangerzone is at take off,it can explode or at landing if the plane isnt landed carefully there can be huge problems sparks can fly and it can ignite..But otherwise when its flying in the air(taxi - ing) dont worry..

L1011

christmas2012 wrote: »

Every planes dangerzone is at take off,it can explode or at landing if the plane isnt landed carefully there can be huge problems sparks can fly and it can ignite..But otherwise when its flying in the air(taxi - ing) dont worry..

Taxi != flying.

Taxing is when the plane is moving on the ground.

Neither is it particularly dangerous to takeoff or land, at that.

christmas2012

I know a few close relatives that work in aviation and they tell me that taking off is the most dangerous time,and equally landing..

LeftBase

Their most recent accident was actually Boeing's fault....

L1011

christmas2012 wrote: »

I know a few close relatives that work in aviation and they tell me that taking off is the most dangerous time,and equally landing..

The most dangerous out of a lot of extremely non-dangerous times.

Plane crashes are INCREDIBLY rare.

JayC5

NobodyImportant wrote: »

Will you be checking the safety record of the cab company you are using to take to the airport? Or the driver who takes you there? Because you would more likely be killed in the taxi to the airport than on the place, a few times over.

I don't buy the arguement that flying is the safest form of travel, sorry. One is more likely to walk away from an incident in a car than an incident in the air, also, if it was a fatal car accident death would be immediate in most cases. A fatal air crash usually involves a few minutes of descent where you get to be a ringside observer of your own demise.... give me the former anyday I tell ya

St. Leibowitz

JayC5 wrote: »

I don't buy the arguement that flying is the safest form of travel, sorry. One is more likely to walk away from an incident in a car than an incident in the air, also, if it was a fatal car accident death would be immediate in most cases. A fatal air crash usually involves a few minutes of descent where you get to be a ringside observer of your own demise.... give me the former anyday I tell ya

The point is that you are MUCH more likely to have a fatal crash in a car than in an airplane.

In the USA for 2009, 33,808 people died in road crashes. That's an average of 92.62 people per day. In the weeks following 9-11 2001, road fatalities soared, as all the people who were afraid to fly drove instead.

I know that more journeys are made by road than are made by air, but it's fact. No matter how you dice up the statistics (passenger miles, passenger journeys, whatever), flying is statistically safer.

30% of onboard fatalities happen during takeoff and initial climb. 25% of onboard fatalities happen during final approach and landing, that's 55% for just 6% of flight time based on 1.5 hour flights.


Also, 12% of fatal accidents happen on the ground during taxi, towing, loading/unloading or while parked, but 0% of these were onboard fatalities. (the results are rounded, so the few onboard deaths on the ground after landing/before takoff between 1959 and 2008 are statistically insignificant (for us, but not for the dead people). Most of these deaths involve loaders, mechs etc. The statistically insignificant passenger deaths would involve people falling off airstairs etc.

Source: Statistical Summary of Commercial Jet Airplane Accidents, 1959 - 2008, Boeing

saspeir

JayC5 wrote: »

I don't buy the arguement that flying is the safest form of travel, sorry. One is more likely to walk away from an incident in a car than an incident in the air, also, if it was a fatal car accident death would be immediate in most cases. A fatal air crash usually involves a few minutes of descent where you get to be a ringside observer of your own demise.... give me the former anyday I tell ya

Say that for whatever reason the plane lost all control from a height, had catastrophic mechanical failure, the chances are you'll be unconscious for impact due to 'g' force.

It really is very rare.

Here's another video for the craic...

ruthloss

Well you could be run over by a donkey, but it's highly unlikely.

lintdrummer

christmas2012 wrote: »

Every planes dangerzone is at take off,it can explode or at landing if the plane isnt landed carefully there can be huge problems sparks can fly and it can ignite..But otherwise when its flying in the air(taxi - ing) dont worry..

I see you have learned nothing from our last exchange on the fear of flying thread.

Why don't you sit back and read what you've posted. Let's look at it a little closer. As has already been explained to you by myself and other members, takeoff and landing are not dangerous, they are higher risk times during flight. This means that there is a lot going on at these stages and there is a smaller margin of error than say during the cruise. This does not make them dangerous times, just that in the EXTREMELY unlikely event of something going wrong, it is more likely to happen during these phases.
Your assertion that a plane can explode on takeoff is just about the most incredibly ludicrous thing I've ever read. Planes are not prone to spontaneous combustion on takeoff or at any other time. What's your source for that accusation?
Planes are always 'landed carefully'. As we've hopefully learned at this stage, landing is one of those higher risk phases of flight, so every precaution is taken to make it as safe as humanly possible. The pilots don't aim at the ground and hope for the best. Sparks are obviously going to be a side effect of moving a large sheet of metal at speed along some asphalt, thankfully the manufacturers have considered this and have installed landing gear with rubber tyres filled with an inert gas, nitrogen. In the unlikely event that Sparks do fly on landing, the fuselage isn't flammable and you would need a flammable liquid leaking in the vicinity of the Sparks before any combustion would occur. Again, extremely unlikely.
This last point is more pedantic than anything, but it serves to illustrate just how little you know about what you're saying. Taxiing is moving an aircraft on the ground.

Now before you come into a forum that is mainly used by people who work in the industry or have a lot of experience with it, go and learn something about the topic. Or at least use it to learn. I'm sick of your nonsense posts that are based solely on hearsay and have no foundation in reality. All you're doing is scaring people who came here for good advice from people who have some idea what they're talking about.

/rant

John_Mc

christmas2012 wrote: »

Every planes dangerzone is at take off,it can explode or at landing if the plane isnt landed carefully there can be huge problems sparks can fly and it can ignite..But otherwise when its flying in the air(taxi - ing) dont worry..

Clueless.

MyNameis.com

I have used Turkish to fly dub-ist-bkk return 3 times and never had any problems, good aircraft,food and inflight entertainment, Staff were fine too. If the price was right i'll use them again without any worries.

Davidth88

christmas2012 wrote: »

Every planes dangerzone is at take off,it can explode or at landing if the plane isnt landed carefully there can be huge problems sparks can fly and it can ignite..But otherwise when its flying in the air(taxi - ing) dont worry..

A great post on a thread started by someone who stated they don't like flying !!!
Also totally wrong !


OP , THY are no worse than any other airline , and better than others . If you came on here asking about internal flights in Nigeria or something then I would be worried.

Enjoy the flight , and enjoy Turkey it's a great place

McNulty737

LeftBase wrote: »

Their most recent accident was actually Boeing's fault....

no it wasnt, the auto throttle did not do its job properly, however the crew should have initiated a go around straight away when it happened. however they just sat there and let the airspeed bleed away and the aircraft stall as they simply were not paying attention.

galwayjohn89

Just curious, but statistically speaking which airline is safer Air France or Turkish?

sunnysoutheast

christmas2012 wrote: »

I know a few close relatives that work in aviation and they tell me that taking off is the most dangerous time,and equally landing..

They are only the "most dangerous" because of the proximity of the ground, which reduces the options for the crew to react to any emergency. In effect, the statistical chance of being involved in an incident when flying with a competent airline is almost negligible. Should you choose to fly with ropey airlines in Africa, ex-Soviet Union etc. then your chances are increased, but not by much.

In any case it's all relative. I read somewhere that, in order to have a >50% chance of being involved in an incident over the time period, you would have to board a random commercial flight followed by another and another for 115 years. Even then, you would have a >90% chance of escaping without serious injury.

Happy landings!

SSE