Job Opportunities in Primary school

slingerz

As a man who is looking to take on the hibernia course in primary teaching i was wondering as to what the job opportunites are like in irish primary schools these days id imagine its a better outlook than for secondary teachers but is their decent subbing or contract work available? obviously it would be great to get a permanaent role striaght away but i realise that is unlikely

can anyone with experience of the hibernia applicaiotn and interview let me know as I would love to hear of your experienbces and get some advice.

djk1000

Several threads on both jobs and Hibernia. It ain't easy at the moment!

I think the usual consensus is do it if it's really what you want to do, but it will be a long road. Would you consider working in the UK for a couple of years?

slingerz

I'd consider doing anything. herself is a secondary teacher so moving wouldnt be an obstacle for her either. I wouldnt expect the job scene to be easy however im an optimist that looks 2 years down the line perhaps things will be a lot different and more opportunites will be there for people.

byhookorbycrook

15% cut in resource teaching hours so far, talks of the pupil teacher ratio rising-more job losses and the cutting of so many EAL posts will take a long time to sort out. There is a massive over-supply of primary teachers and yet the colleges continue to churn out more and more teachers. Hundreds of fully qualified and experienced teachers are struggling to get even a few days subbing,never mind a temporary job.If you are prepared to wait say 5 years to get a full time job,then go for it.

Many people are blinded by the media fuelled idea that people do not lose jobs in teaching and that we are all in permanent jobs. The other thing is that the terms of pay and service for newly qualified teachers have been cut on top of the cuts that teachers have already suffered.

I'm sorry to be so gloomy, but no point in being untruthful.

E.T.

I agree with you byhookorbycrook, prospects aren't good for new entrants.

Job applications are in the hundreds for even maternity leaves.

karennolan87

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Hello all,
I am new to this forum so please excuse any gaffs. I am starting into my second year with Hibernia and would love to hear from recent graduates or NQT's about the current jobs market. I want to prepare for what lies ahead. I live in a rural area and have young children so my job hunt area will be restricted.

karennolan87

What about subbing? Is there much available? I recently spoke to a principal who said he was finding it difficult to get subs, his school is a bit off the beaten path.

byhookorbycrook

No to good prospects for subbing-for any significant period of time (ie more than a week) it seems.Sorry to be so doom and gloom.

groovygirl5

Subbing is always there and it is the best way to get your foot in the door in any school.

teddy12

If you have a childminder that you can call at a moments notice at 8.00 in the morning it would work in your favour as a lot of subbing is very last minute

byhookorbycrook

groovygirl5 wrote: »

Subbing is always there and it is the best way to get your foot in the door in any school.

But the problem is there are 200 other feet also trying to get in the same door.

pooch90

I graduated in 2006, still no permanent job but I have had constant work. It will be subbing for a long while for anyone coming out now I'd say. After 3 yrs teaching you would have supplementary panel rights.

byhookorbycrook

If you are not tied to a particular location ,you might find it a little easier to get work, but many post grads have partners/families/mortgages and can't up sticks at the last minute.

Majesticzebras

It's definitely not easy. There is an awful lot of 'ah shure he/she's from .....' A girl who was temporary in our school spent 3 years subbing in her local school....yet when a permanent job turned up, she didn't get it. I think if you can go away....abroad, go! Enjoy the experience!:D

bigeyes

How does the supplementary panel work?

bigeyes

teddy12

bigeyes wrote: »

How does the supplementary panel work?

bigeyes

Basically you have to have work every single day for at least 3 years.
Be on a certain point on scale think its 4/5
Earn over a certain amount in the previous year
and be in a continuous contract between jan and june of applying for supp panel rights

Its easier said than done!! And even with that you are not guaranteed a job for supp panel as main panel and subsidery panel are given priority

dambarude

I think the supplementary panel is going to be majorly tested in the next few years. An awful lot of teachers are currently building up service through maternities/temp contracts. If teacher numbers are cut in the budget I think the supp. panel could become worthless next year. The DES have no obligation to hire people from it.

bigeyes

Thanks Teddy12 and Dambarude, very helpful.:p

kraggy

djk1000 wrote: »

Several threads on both jobs and Hibernia. It ain't easy at the moment!

I think the usual consensus is do it if it's really what you want to do, but it will be a long road. Would you consider working in the UK for a couple of years?

I was told on educationposts.ie that Irish primary teachers can't work in the Uk without having the dip done in Ireland.

Secondary teachers trained in Ireland can however.

coolgal52

It seems that they probably will start making changes to the panel soon, everything else is being cut so that will probably be cut too.

F.A.S.H

Hi guys,

I graduated the HDAPE (primary teaching) Hibernia in August 2011, and went straight to DUuai, no dip done. Home now and looking for subbing, had 5 texts in the last weeks from textasub., so it is out there, even this early in September.

Having talked to my friends from the course, at least 5 have long term contracts this year and hava half their Dip done, 2 have it finished.

For the people who are considering Hibernia, get your application in now, as places are going to be cut hugely in the next year or so with the amalgamation of colleges. They can't keep churning out 600 teachers a year.

Also, in regards to the college themselves, it's a "wham bam thank you mam" course. They get your money and get you out the door faster than you can say "ten grand". They give the very basic of training, and not much help. We were told on our very first onsite that the tutors contract was finished the minute she walked out the door at 5pm and not to bother emailing her becuase she wouldnt answer (her school did burn down later that year...karma me thinks..)

Its a dog eat dog world in teaching right now, but you get to know people and get various jobs, but supposedly it does take a year of day to day subbing to get a maternity or a year contract.

If anyone has other questions, ask away

PS I dont regret goin to Dubai for the experience, but I do for losing contacts here....all your TP contacts are a year and a half old....a long time in teaching!

byhookorbycrook

Those who got their dip half done did well,but they would have been in subbing before the last round of cuts.Are you now seen as a new applicant salary-wise?

F.A.S.H

~byhookorbycrook~ Yes I am, which is horrible, but I would have had to be teaching as an unqualified teacher to get in under the new rules, which is against the rules (as supposedly schools are not meant to take unquailifed teachers).

Right now I have just found out that my Teaching Council registration might be stalled becuase I do not have a "Police Clearance Certificate" from Dubai. It depends, but I will probably have to apply to Dubai for that also, before I can get the number. It all seems like a big mess right now

byhookorbycrook

That's an awful pity, Fash, it'sa big drop in wages.Hope you get the teaching co. sorted asap.