What's your opinion on reintroduction of death penalty?

KiethM89

Here's my thoughts:

The following should receive mandatory death sentences:

Anyone found guilty of drug trafficking (possession, sale, purchasing, import or export of it).

Murder.

Membership of a gang.

Rape.

Perjury of any kind.

Treason and/or espionage.

Armed robbery.

Home invasion.


Women who are pregnant will receive a stay of execution, but will be executed after the birth of their child. (For people who say that the child should not be denied a mother, hundreds of fathers are executed around the world each year).

SO boardsies .. vot on my poll


mod please add a poll with just yes or no .. I am unable to .. (please do NOT inclide atari jaguar)

NuMarvel

Can you expand on your reasoning as to why you think the death sentence should be re-introduced? From what I understand, it doesn't act as a deterrant, and our justice systems aren't perfect enough yet to be certain that innocent people won't be incorrectly convicted and killed.

Witcher

I do support it, I've never subscribed to the 'it's not a deterrent' argument because neither is prison. For some people nothing is a deterrent and they should just be removed from society, that's cold but really when you get down to it, it's true. There is the problem with doubt in a conviction, in cases where there is a significant doubt, it should be switched to life imprisonment but a case where someone kills/rapes someone and is caught redhanded there is no doubt then they should should face the DP. I'm not saying every murderer should be executed but where the person has planned and carried out a murder...in that instance the DP could be used. There is no argument that would change my mind on that.

KiethM89

NuMarvel wrote: »

aren't perfect enough yet to be certain that innocent people won't be incorrectly convicted and killed.

Hence my death sentence for perjury

GarIT

Definately not, if one innocent person could die no amount of justice could make up for it.

RGDATA!

KiethM89 wrote: »

Hence my death sentence for perjury

can you explain why you want the death penalty for the crimes you listed?

jluv

KiethM89 wrote: »

Here's my thoughts:

The following should receive mandatory death sentences:

Anyone found guilty of drug trafficking (possession, sale, purchasing, import or export of it).

Murder.

Membership of a gang.

Rape.

Perjury of any kind.

Treason and/or espionage.

Armed robbery.

Home invasion.


Women who are pregnant will receive a stay of execution, but will be executed after the birth of their child. (For people who say that the child should not be denied a mother, hundreds of fathers are executed around the world each year).

SO boardsies .. vot on my poll


mod please add a poll with just yes or no .. I am unable to .. (please do NOT inclide atari jaguar)

I'm actually not sure how I feel. Yes on convictions that are 100% for the likes of murder but my fear would always be an innocent person being put to death. Your list of crimes considered though I would disagree with. Murder would be the only one I would consider the death penalty for..

KiethM89

RGDATA! wrote: »

can you explain why you want the death penalty for the crimes you listed?

Anyone found guilty of drug trafficking (possession, sale, purchasing, import or export of it).

drugs destroy society, so the perpetrators should pay with their life

Murder.

eye for an eye

Membership of a gang.

same reason as drugs

Rape.

only if evidence is stacked against. any slut who falsely accuses a man should be boiled in tallow or any other long chain hydrocarbon

Perjury of any kind.

similar reason to false rape

Treason and/or espionage.

respect and be proud of your country and no collaborating with foreign forces

Armed robbery.

eliminate scum who steal

Home invasion.

same as armed robbery

NuMarvel

KiethM89 wrote: »

Hence my death sentence for perjury

So you're using the death penalty as a deterrant in the case of perjury. But is there evidence that shows that it works as a deterrent?

What's more, is every wrongful conviction a result of perjury? Can we say for certain there are no other factors such as say, jury prejudices, or defence incompetence, even simple human error on the part of the witnesses. Perjury is only committed when it's a willful and intentional deception, so someone being wrong about something they believed to be right isn't perjury.

Sunnyisland

I see you want to eliminate scum who steal,Would that include vat & tax dodgers and fraud ?

Treason & espionage, There be a lot of dead TD,s if that was ever enforced depending who was in power at the time.

When you say drugs, possession etc you talking about the thousands of people who smoke weed and other class c drugs ? what about alcohol that has worse effects on our community's than all the other drugs put together.kill them to.

Don't think your proposal would work op, Revenge never gets anyone anywhere,especially societies as a whole.

Chuck Stone

So death penalty for crimes you don't like?

How about NO?

christmas2012

death penalty is wrong,how about having them split rocks old style not the **** there used to now....cheffing,gym and plasmas and computer courses..**** that back with the gulags approach..

You say murder should receive a mandatory death sentence. So, given that you explicitly include the word mandatory, you obviously believe that there should be no exceptions. What if the state kills an individual who is later found to have been innocent. Isn't that murder by the state? In what way would you deal with that? Given that a state is the constituent of its citizens, are the citizens then--if even vicariously--guilty of murder? That's one of the paradoxes of the death penalty, and it's also one of many reasons why I believe it should not be an option.

crazygeryy

GarIT wrote: »

Definately not, if one innocent person could die no amount of justice could make up for it.

What would YOU do with anders breivik?he murderd 65 people, knew what he was doing and it was premeditated.
would you spare his life?

Imo he deserves the death penalty.and in certain circumstances yes it should be reintroduced.ALL paedophiles should be put to death for example.

mathepac

realies wrote: »

... When you say drugs, possession etc you talking about the thousands of people who smoke weed and other class c drugs ? ...

You might need to brush up on how drugs are classified in the State - we don't use the UK system, we never have.

I would have some sympathy with the introduction of the death penalty, I said that in the recent discussion of the scum-bag with 17 previous convictions who burned a 5 year old girl to death in an arson attack on her home.

The guy should first of all have been charged with arson, apparently his original intention. If found guilty he then goes on trial for causing the death of a child in the commission of another crime. If found guilty, he serves the arson charge time and at the end of that he gets hanged.

There is a law something like this in some US states where if someone dies while a felony is being committed, an automatic charge of 2nd degree murder is levelled.

GarIT

crazygeryy wrote: »

What would YOU do with anders breivik?he murderd 65 people, knew what he was doing and it was premeditated.
would you spare his life?

Imo he deserves the death penalty.and in certain circumstances yes it should be reintroduced.ALL paedophiles should be put to death for example.

I still wouldn't support it. As well as a chance of being wrong a person only has one life and it would be wrong to take that from them.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Doesn't justifying the death penalty based on 'an eye for an eye' mean it can only be used in cases of murder?

3ndahalfof6

it does exist

Sunnyisland

mathepac wrote: »

You might need to brush up on how drugs are classified in the State - we don't use the UK system, we never have

Ok So do you think that all illegal drugs offences should be treated as one and the same and all have the same consequences as in the op post ,death ?

Sunnyisland

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

it does exist

Not in Ireland.

mikemac1

I say nay


However first I'd be tackling this, how on earth does it cost so much?
A prison should last over one hundred years, once it's built then that's it so it must be staff and day to day costs.

I don't know the salary but maybe hire some more staff on new contracts, create some jobs and put an end to overtime

Annual cost of keeping each prisoner in jail falls to €77,222
THE AVERAGE cost of keeping prisoners in jail has dropped significantly because the prison population has increased at a time when staff numbers and pay have fallen.

The cost of keeping an inmate last year was €77,222 per person, a fall of 17 per cent on 2008 when the figure was €92,717.

Ridiculous money

NegativeCreep

KiethM89 wrote: »

Murder.

Membership of a gang.

Rape.

Perjury of any kind.

Treason and/or espionage.

Armed robbery.

Home invasion.

In my opinion some of the things you mentioned as possible death penalty incurring crimes are not so.

Murder- Yes

Membership of a gang- Only if you are far up the hierarchy of the gang.

Rape- yes

Perjury- only perjury in the courtroom, nowhere else.

Treason- No. Is that even a big deal these days?

Armed Robbery- Depends on what was robbed.

Home invasion- No. only if someone was killed in the process.

I do not agree with the death penalty simple because I think there is too much of a divide in opinion within society as to what should be an offence worthy of a death sentence.
I also think that the risk of killing an innocent person (even one) is too great of a risk. Lots of innocent people have been convicted for crimes they did not commit in the past and it is probable that if the death penalty had existed, some of them could have been killed.

Edenane

Er... Return to the dark ages much? "any slut who falsely accuses a man should be boiled in tallow or any other long chain hydrocarbon"? I would consider that exactly the same as torture.

Wikipedia: Article 3 prohibits torture, and "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights#Article_3_-_torture)

And as you have just said that that torture should be legally allowed, I'm now going to dismiss your ramblings as a madman.

Also, I'm against capital punishment of any kind for any reason.

Gurgle

KiethM89 wrote: »

Here's my thoughts:

Exaggeration of the year right there.
No thought was involved in the OP, conclusive evidence is in the choice of forum.

This is AH fodder.

Permabear

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