Want to add a subject to your degree? Act now

Seanchai

I regularly meet people who did a subject in 1st year, or via an evening diploma, and need to have a degree-level qualification in it in order to be registered with the Teaching Council.

So, this is just a heads up to anybody who wants to add a subject to their existing degree. While the deadline for CAO entry was last February, if you have a degree already and want to add a subject, the deadlines in all the universities will be very soon if you want to start in September 2012. In UCD the deadline is 2 July 2012. While you'll be doing the BA degree credits, the qualification you'll come out with is called the Higher Diploma in Arts.

Here's further information: Part-time programmes: Higher Diploma in Arts


To be registered with the Teaching Council as a teacher of a subject you need 54 degree credits (30% of a 180 credit degree). You could do this in a year full-time, or two years part-time in the evening. I've chosen the latter and, while tough to be working full time simultaneously, I'm on top of it much more after a year. You'll also have the holidays to make in-roads into the following year's work load. You'll also get 20% back on your fees via tax. Basically, it makes huge sense for your career security to get those 54 required degree credits.

dory

Are all the Arts subjects available? I've looked around the site and can't see anything about which subjects you can pick.

Seanchai

dory wrote: »

Are all the Arts subjects available? I've looked around the site and can't see anything about which subjects you can pick.

No, they wouldn't be in the evening at any rate (In the day all subjects obviously are available). While the Arts Programme Office at the above number should be able to tell you what's on in the evening this year, you're usually much better contacting the relevant UCD School directly. For instance, the next intake into 2nd year (evening) in the subject I'm doing will be next year as obviously last year's 2nd year is this year's 3rd year. If your subject is running in your year this year, it will be another two years before you will have a chance to take it.

However, and this is important, because UCD has changed the structure of the BA from years to 'stages' a couple of people on my course last year finished their degree doing the "2nd Year" subjects. This was because the year before, when UCD was taking students in for Stage 3 ("3rd Year"), they didn't want to wait around another year before starting 'Stage 2' ("2nd Year") so they contacted the relevant Department/School directly. They were given permission to enter Stage 3 that year, hence they finished their degree in Stage 2 ("2nd Year").

In other words, if you really want to start getting your degree credits now but your Stage ("year") doesn't have an evening course this year exceptions can be made to allow you into a different Stage if you contact the School directly and explain your situation to them.

Postgrad10

I'm interested in this but I just can not find the list of subjects available. Help please

browneyedgirl

concerned about this?
For about 3 years I have rang and rang both UCC AND the teaching council and could get neither to agree that the UCC Higher DIploma in Arts subjects would be recognised because they wouldnt be degree level - i.e. saying I was taking a risk?? What is so different about UCD?

khan86

I'm interested in this topic also. I have applied to do the Degree/Diploma in English and History through Oscail (DCU) and would like to know if I need to finish to degree level or can I opt out at the diploma stage as by then I will have 120 credits (60 in English and 60 in History so I would have the 54 credits required by the teaching council to register in both subjects). I plan to do it part time and work full or part time (whatever I can get come September) also. I have a degree in another teaching subject and the PDGE but I'm still unsure if I will be allowed register after completing the modules to gain 60 credits if I don't finish out the degree?

Postgrad10

If we were to take on other subjects, which subjects are most required by schools ? Languages? Maths?

Sorry Khan86 but English and History graduates are out there in plentiful looking for jobs . Are there any other subjects that you like? I know you have difficult teaching subjects but are you sure about English and History?

TheDriver

irish, maths and french. definitely jobs out there for that.
Forget english, PE, history, Geography, Business............ten a penny

Postgrad10

I'm going to finish Irish somehow as I did it in First year of uni.

marilynhappy

I'm really interested in what BrowneyedGirl just said about the Teaching Council not being sure that they could recognise the UCC Hdip in Arts...
I rang the TC today but could not get through, so have emailed them with exactly the same query. It would be fantastic, for me, if the Teaching Council could recognise the Hdip in Arts, I would almost certainly do one, as I am currently only qualified to teach one subject and it's .been very difficult to progress further with this shortfall. Anyway, I will post up their reply, when I get one. ........

khan86

Thanks Postgrad 10, I am aware that English and History is a combination that's plentiful but believe me it's better than RE and CSPE! I need and want to teach a core subject and I did ordinary level in both Maths and Irish in school and I disliked studying them both so whatever my job chances are I want to teach something I actually like and have an interest in. I'm going to give it a shot for now anyway and if my career has not advanced in 10 years time I'll opt out of teaching and do something in counselling as my undergrad minor was Psychology!

I'll be interested to hear what the TC say marilynhappy!

Postgrad10

Maybe you could go down the guidance and counselling route having psychology in your degree ? I hope for good things for your subjects in the meantime anyway Khan86. If teachers were not given subjects like SPHE , CSPE , and RE as fillers by schools, there would be more jobs available for you .

khan86

Thanks Postgrad10, nice to know someone else thinks that too about the timetable. I did consider the Guidance and Counselling route but with all the cuts there too and schools putting Guidance Counsellors back in the classroom I don't think it would be a safe option. I have always been interested in Addiction Counselling or working with suicide prevention so who knows what might materialise down the line if the teaching doesn't pick up.

Seanchai

browneyedgirl wrote: »

concerned about this?
For about 3 years I have rang and rang both UCC AND the teaching council and could get neither to agree that the UCC Higher DIploma in Arts subjects would be recognised because they wouldnt be degree level - i.e. saying I was taking a risk?? What is so different about UCD?

marilynhappy wrote: »

I'm really interested in what BrowneyedGirl just said about the Teaching Council not being sure that they could recognise the UCC Hdip in Arts....

Regarding UCD's Higher Diploma in Arts, what the TC asks for is written proof from UCD that you have done at least 54 degree credits (30% of a 180 credit BA degree) in the subject you want to register in. The Higher Diploma in Arts in UCD has 60 degree credits and is definitely composed of Level 8 (Hons Degree) credits and as such 54 credits from it will allow you to gain TC registration in that subject. I am certain about this. If you ring the TC they will confirm this requirement for 54 degree credits. If the HDA were named ABC1, but still had those 54 degree credits the TC would accept it.

Seanchai

browneyedgirl wrote: »

concerned about this?
For about 3 years I have rang and rang both UCC AND the teaching council and could get neither to agree that the UCC Higher DIploma in Arts subjects would be recognised because they wouldnt be degree level - i.e. saying I was taking a risk?? What is so different about UCD?

According to this the UCC Higher Diploma in Arts is also a Level 8 (Hons Degree) course. If the UCC course had not been established long at the time it's possible that the TC had not evaluated it when you were checking. Either way, the TC will seek confirmation from the university department that you successfully passed at least 54 degree credits, something which the department will be able to confirm if you do a Level 8 course.

mtoutlemonde

Hi, I had a shortfall for my registration to teach French. For the past two years, I completed the evening BA programme (French only). I'm just wondering how do I put this on my CV? I also did the diploma so I have 75 credits in total. I was under the impression that I did a single subject BA but I want to know is this correct? Or would I be better to say 'Higher Diploma in Arts' even though that wasn't the title of the course and I didn't do the course in UCC. I want to make reference to the work I did in the last two years and saying 'Literature Modules for registration' doesn't look nice.

Patches22

I just finished the PDE and I've been thinking about having to do something like this eventually. I looked up one of the courses and they were 800 and something euro per module Wish I could go back and change my degree! Hindsight is a great thing :rolleyes: Anyway. Had thought about giving history a go (my subject is english) but now after reading this am not so sure...

Lockedout

What about teachers in schools who are teaching subjects they are not qualified in? Permanent teachers. Will the big bad teaching council herd them into their original subjects even if they have not taught them for years?

I know a big fuss was made about Maths teachers. It doesn't always follow that having a degree in a particular subjct makes you a good teacher. What was missing from the debate was statistical analysis of the issue-which is a bit ironic when you think about it!

Lockedout

Patches22 wrote: »

I just finished the PDE and I've been thinking about having to do something like this eventually. I looked up one of the courses and they were 800 and something euro per module Wish I could go back and change my degree! Hindsight is a great thing :rolleyes: Anyway. Had thought about giving history a go (my subject is english) but now after reading this am not so sure...

Religion-always a good demand and you might not need a full degree in it. The Lord calls...;) History and English too common.

Patches22

Lockedout wrote: »

Religion-always a good demand and you might not need a full degree in it. The Lord calls...;) History and English too common.

Interesting!
My other BA subject is philosophy yet that is not of any use in trying to get recognised to teach religion:(

Lockedout

Thats agnostic talk about the Philosophy.;)

rainbowtrout

Lockedout wrote: »

What about teachers in schools who are teaching subjects they are not qualified in? Permanent teachers. Will the big bad teaching council herd them into their original subjects even if they have not taught them for years?

I know a big fuss was made about Maths teachers. It doesn't always follow that having a degree in a particular subjct makes you a good teacher. What was missing from the debate was statistical analysis of the issue-which is a bit ironic when you think about it!

The teaching council has nothing to do with timetabling in schools. So if you are qualified to teach Latin and Arabic and are permanent and the subjects don't fill 22 hours and the principal decides to put you teaching History and Maths, then you will teach History and Maths.

Lockedout

rainbowtrout wrote: »

The teaching council has nothing to do with timetabling in schools. So if you are qualified to teach Latin and Arabic and are permanent and the subjects don't fill 22 hours and the principal decides to put you teaching History and Maths, then you will teach History and Maths.

I know that is the present situation but I would not be so sure about the future. The Educational "elite" (ie those who have vacated the classroom) are turning the screws ever so slightly every year in various ways. However,when I say Future -probably years away or they will no longer allow such loose timetabling for those nuts enough to join the next few years.

rainbowtrout

Lockedout wrote: »

I know that is the present situation but I would not be so sure about the future. The Educational "elite" (ie those who have vacated the classroom) are turning the screws ever so slightly every year in various ways. However,when I say Future -probably years away or they will no longer allow such loose timetabling for those nuts enough to join the next few years.

It would be nigh on impossible to have every teacher teaching exactly the subjects they are qualified in and only those subjects and make the timetable work.

1. For all the existing permanent teachers, you would have a massive oversupply in some areas.

2. It would mean that most future contracts would become part time as schools sought only to employ teachers for specific subjects for a specific number of hours.

Lockedout

rainbowtrout wrote: »

It would be nigh on impossible to have every teacher teaching exactly the subjects they are qualified in and only those subjects and make the timetable work.

1. For all the existing permanent teachers, you would have a massive oversupply in some areas.

2. It would mean that most future contracts would become part time as schools sought only to employ teachers for specific subjects for a specific number of hours.

You are descending into logic and that does not always apply to education

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Lockedout

rainbowtrout wrote: »

It would be nigh on impossible to have every teacher teaching exactly the subjects they are qualified in and only those subjects and make the timetable work.

1. For all the existing permanent teachers, you would have a massive oversupply in some areas.

2. It would mean that most future contracts would become part time as schools sought only to employ teachers for specific subjects for a specific number of hours.

You are being logical and logic and Education dont always go hand in hand. Countless educational innovations have been based on practically no research. It seemed logical at the time but closer scrutiny revealed the emperor has no clothes.
I dont agree all contracts would be part time as a result but a school is meant to hire a qualified subject teacher.
Adieu

Chris68

I'm open to correction but I have heard that last year CoDubVEC paid temporary teachers according to their qualifications. What I mean is that if a temporary teacher qualified in Science only say was teaching maths as well then they were paid at the qualified rate for the Science hours and the unqualified rate for the maths hours.

Lockedout

Chris68 wrote: »

I'm open to correction but I have heard that last year CoDubVEC paid temporary teachers according to their qualifications. What I mean is that if a temporary teacher qualified in Science only say was teaching maths as well then they were paid at the qualified rate for the Science hours and the unqualified rate for the maths hours.

VEcs were always administratively nuts.

bdoo

Lockedout wrote: »

Chris68 wrote: »

I'm open to correction but I have heard that last year CoDubVEC paid temporary teachers according to their qualifications. What I mean is that if a temporary teacher qualified in Science only say was teaching maths as well then they were paid at the qualified rate for the Science hours and the unqualified rate for the maths hours.

VEcs were always administratively nuts.

That's not administratively nuts. It's called doing things properly. If a maths teacher is subbing for a week but ends up covering some other classes these should be paid at the unqualified rate. Simple.

If a job is advertised as science and the timetable includes maths this would be different as you would have an expectation to be paid for the hours outlined in the contract

browneyedgirl

marilynhappy wrote: »

I'm really interested in what BrowneyedGirl just said about the Teaching Council not being sure that they could recognise the UCC Hdip in Arts...
I rang the TC today but could not get through, so have emailed them with exactly the same query. It would be fantastic, for me, if the Teaching Council could recognise the Hdip in Arts, I would almost certainly do one, as I am currently only qualified to teach one subject and it's .been very difficult to progress further with this shortfall. Anyway, I will post up their reply, when I get one. ........

Marilynhappy..... Did you ever hear back from the teaching council???

marilynhappy

browneyedgirl wrote: »

Marilynhappy..... Did you ever hear back from the teaching council???

Oops sorry I didn't see this. Sorry for delayed replying. I did hear back from them- I could not find any Irish course which was accepted by the teaching council as fulfilling their requirements. Any Irish course would have to have had a foundation course as part of it and would have to exactly fit the Teaching Council's requirement for the subject.

What I did find, however, was a DCU Oscail course offering history and English, you can choose either course, or both, and as far as I know, completing five modules fulfils the Teaching Council's requirement for the extra subject. It is important to note that this is valid even if you dont have history or English in your undergraduate.

Ring them, I advise and ask to speak to the person dealing with subject recognition. There are also maths options available to the best of my knowledge.

Seanchai

Seanchai wrote: »

I regularly meet people who did a subject in 1st year, or via an evening diploma, and need to have a degree-level qualification in it in order to be registered with the Teaching Council.

So, this is just a heads up to anybody who wants to add a subject to their existing degree. While the deadline for CAO entry was last February, if you have a degree already and want to add a subject, the deadlines in all the universities will be very soon if you want to start in September 2012. In UCD the deadline is 2 July 2012. While you'll be doing the BA degree credits, the qualification you'll come out with is called the Higher Diploma in Arts.

Here's further information: Part-time programmes: Higher Diploma in Arts


To be registered with the Teaching Council as a teacher of a subject you need 54 degree credits (30% of a 180 credit degree). You could do this in a year full-time, or two years part-time in the evening. I've chosen the latter and, while tough to be working full time simultaneously, I'm on top of it much more after a year. You'll also have the holidays to make in-roads into the following year's work load. You'll also get 20% back on your fees via tax. Basically, it makes huge sense for your career security to get those 54 required degree credits.

I'd just like to update all qualified teachers on the qualification known as the Higher Diploma in Arts. The Teaching Council of Ireland has sent this email:

"Approved at Registration Committee September 3rd B]2012[/B.

1. The Higher Diploma in Arts and the degree requirement for Post-primary Curricular Subjects

1.1. The Registration Officer briefed the committee with regard to the format and purpose of the Higher Diploma in Arts. The qualification normally covers modules in Arts Subjects at second and third year level to the value of 60 ECTS credits and could be deemed to be equivalent of studying a subject to degree level.

It was agreed by the Registration Committee that where a registered teacher had not studied a subject at first year degree level and is seeking to top up his/her qualifications via a Higher Diploma in Arts Qualification that the applicant is required to complete 10 ECTS in the subject area at first year level in addition to the Higher Diploma in Arts in order to meet the registration criteria."

The Teaching Council was then asked why the Higher Diploma in Arts (60 ECTS degree credits) is not showing on the accredited qualifications listed on the TC website, even though the TC only requires 54 ECTS credits:

"The H Dip in Arts will not feature on our accredited list as it does not qualify as meeting registration degree requirements. It can only be considered where a teacher has already met registration requirements at Post-primary level."

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I hope this helps. Every qualified teacher with a bit of ambition and work ethic would be advised to get the required degree credits in their subject and secure their teaching position asap. It's tough working fulltime at night and doing it, but it's obviously a very wise decision to do it. You can, importantly, start on the Higher Diploma in Arts after Christmas 2012. You just need to contact your local university.

mtoutlemonde

Seanchai wrote: »

The Teaching Council was then asked why the Higher Diploma in Arts (60 ECTS degree credits) is not showing on the accredited qualifications listed on the TC website, even though the TC only requires 54 ECTS credits:

"The H Dip in Arts will not feature on our accredited list as it does not qualify as meeting registration degree requirements. It can only be considered where a teacher has already met registration requirements at Post-primary level."

It's not on the list because they can charge people €200 to assess their qualifications (and get away with it).

Seanchai wrote: »

I hope this helps. Every qualified teacher with a bit of ambition and work ethic would be advised to get the required degree credits in their subject and secure their teaching position asap. It's tough working fulltime at night and doing it, but it's obviously a very wise decision to do it. You can, importantly, start on the Higher Diploma in Arts after Christmas 2012. You just need to contact your local university.

The Teaching Council are like a double-edged sword - they say that its important that teachers keep up-to-date and complete CPD courses and when you have a teacher who wants to widen his/her teaching subjects you have to go through 12 weeks of paperwork/stress and money before your registered.

rainbowtrout

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

It's not on the list because they can charge people €200 to assess their qualifications (and get away with it).



The Teaching Council are like a double-edged sword - they say that its important that teachers keep up-to-date and complete CPD courses and when you have a teacher who wants to widen his/her teaching subjects you have to go through 12 weeks of paperwork/stress and money before your registered.

Your post smacks of bitterness. The qualifications on the Teaching Council list are those which the colleges have paid to have assessed so that they don't have to be assessed every time. Probably because those degrees are commonly used as a route to teaching. The ones which are not on the list are not as commonly used, and colleges have not paid for them to be assessed, hence why an individual has to pay €200.

You got registered and if I remember your thread rightly, yours was an unusual case because you didn't meet all the requirements, so naturally there was going to be a delay in processing your application. You expected an instant turnaround in your application being processed and despite not having all the requirements you were granted your teaching council status. Why are you still complaining?

mtoutlemonde

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Your post smacks of bitterness. The qualifications on the Teaching Council list are those which the colleges have paid to have assessed so that they don't have to be assessed every time. Probably because those degrees are commonly used as a route to teaching. The ones which are not on the list are not as commonly used, and colleges have not paid for them to be assessed, hence why an individual has to pay €200.

Well these qualifications are BA subjects but because you don't do the full BA - it is not on the recognised list and has to be assessed even though the BA is already recognised and paid for by the colleges.

rainbowtrout wrote: »

You got registered and if I remember your thread rightly, yours was an unusual case because you didn't meet all the requirements, so naturally there was going to be a delay in processing your application. You expected an instant turnaround in your application being processed and despite not having all the requirements you were granted your teaching council status. Why are you still complaining?

No there is no bitterness intended and I'm still not registered for my additional studies and didn't intend discussing my problem with the TC on this forum. All of my friends that did the same course had to have their qualifications assessed the same way prior to registration. And there is another thread (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=73463389) where a person took additional history credits (if I can remember correctly) and he/she had to have their qualifications assessed individually even though some of his/her class already had their qualifications assessed.

Mr.Nice Guy

Seanchai wrote: »

I'd just like to update all qualified teachers on the qualification known as the Higher Diploma in Arts. The Teaching Council of Ireland has sent this email:

"Approved at Registration Committee September 3rd B]2012[/B.

1. The Higher Diploma in Arts and the degree requirement for Post-primary Curricular Subjects

1.1. The Registration Officer briefed the committee with regard to the format and purpose of the Higher Diploma in Arts. The qualification normally covers modules in Arts Subjects at second and third year level to the value of 60 ECTS credits and could be deemed to be equivalent of studying a subject to degree level.

It was agreed by the Registration Committee that where a registered teacher had not studied a subject at first year degree level and is seeking to top up his/her qualifications via a Higher Diploma in Arts Qualification that the applicant is required to complete 10 ECTS in the subject area at first year level in addition to the Higher Diploma in Arts in order to meet the registration criteria."

The Teaching Council was then asked why the Higher Diploma in Arts (60 ECTS degree credits) is not showing on the accredited qualifications listed on the TC website, even though the TC only requires 54 ECTS credits:

"The H Dip in Arts will not feature on our accredited list as it does not qualify as meeting registration degree requirements. It can only be considered where a teacher has already met registration requirements at Post-primary level."

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I hope this helps. Every qualified teacher with a bit of ambition and work ethic would be advised to get the required degree credits in their subject and secure their teaching position asap. It's tough working fulltime at night and doing it, but it's obviously a very wise decision to do it. You can, importantly, start on the Higher Diploma in Arts after Christmas 2012. You just need to contact your local university.

Pardon my ignorance here as I always struggled to get my head around this sort of thing but is this saying that only registered teachers can avail of the Higher Diploma in Arts?

rainbowtrout

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Pardon my ignorance here as I always struggled to get my head around this sort of thing but is this saying that only registered teachers can avail of the Higher Diploma in Arts?

Doesn't look like it according to the info on the UCD website http://www.ucd.ie/acshs/hdip_arts.html
You do have to have a degree to do it though.

vamos!

I am really confused here. I rang the TC to ask about doing a Higher Diploma in either Irish or Spanish and was weren't recognised. I didn't do either in first year of college. If I were to do 10 ECTS in Spanish in UCD or NUIM this year, would I then have enough to do the Higher Diploma? I know I would still have to have is assessed, but am I correct in my understanding of Seanachi's post? Thanks

Seanchai

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Pardon my ignorance here as I always struggled to get my head around this sort of thing but is this saying that only registered teachers can avail of the Higher Diploma in Arts?

All I know is the following: "The H Dip in Arts will not feature on our accredited list as it does not qualify as meeting registration degree requirements. It can only be considered where a teacher has already met registration requirements at Post-primary level."

My translation: you need to have a full degree (180 credits in NUI colleges like UCD) in a subject(s) in order to teach it(them). That is the base qualification. It is therefore those qualifications which are showing on the TCI's "accredited" courses. Once you have this, however, the TCI is saying you can add subjects to this by doing 54 ECTS credits (30% of a 180 ECTS BA) in the subject in question. A way to add subjects is by doing the Higher Diploma in Arts, which is the name of the "exit qualification" for people who are doing degree ECTS credits but because they are only doing 60 such credits they cannot get a full BA (180 credits) as their exit qualification.
As the Higher Diploma in Arts does degree credits from 2nd and 3rd year only, the above email is saying that somebody will need an additional 10 ECTS credits from 1st year on top of the 60ECTS degree credits. Once they have both, they will be registered with the TCI for their subject.

Seanchai

vamos! wrote: »

I am really confused here. I rang the TC to ask about doing a Higher Diploma in either Irish or Spanish and was weren't recognised. I didn't do either in first year of college. If I were to do 10 ECTS in Spanish in UCD or NUIM this year, would I then have enough to do the Higher Diploma? I know I would still have to have is assessed, but am I correct in my understanding of Seanachi's post? Thanks

Did you contact the TCI since the above mentioned change in the TCI's position on 3 September 2012?

You do not need to do the 10 credits before doing the 60 Higher Diploma in Arts credits. I had them done but, and this is the important thing, I know others on my course who did not have them done, but got the 10 credits in the semester after their completed the HDA. Under the new system in UCD, talk is about "credits" and "levels" rather than "years" so even though I'm referring to "year 2" etc here, in the new system it is old language. In fact, because the Higher Diploma in Arts (HDA) in UCD starts in 2nd year only every second year, there was a number of people on my course who started their HDA in 3rd year as they didn't/couldn't wait another year for 2nd year to start. The following year when 2nd year started, they did it and got their HDA. All of them got on the HDA in 3rd year because they contacted the UCD school/department directly, explained their situation and how getting the qualification was essential for their career progression. Once the School in question was assured that they would be able to hold their own in 3rd year - e.g. decent Irish or motivation if they wanted to do the HDA in Irish - they were allowed start in that year.

For that matter, because the new system in UCD is not about "years" but rather "credits" and "levels", I remember people starting the HDA after Christmas, and getting 15 ECTS credits under their belt by the following summer. That is why I advised people in the post above to contact the department in their preferred university with the aim of starting after Christmas/in the next semester, rather than waiting until September 2013.

Summary: contact your relevant university department asap if you're serious about doing the HDA and start after Christmas.

darlett

I am currently doing a PDE with Biology and Chemistry. I realise now more than ever that I will be hard pushed to get full hours from the Sciences alone and would like to add Mathematics. My original course Analytical Science in DCU included some Maths for the first 2 years of 4. But not enough to give me the 33% of coursework I understand required by the TC. Ive looked at courses but I'm not sure how best or most convenient to add this. If someone knows more I'd appreciate it.

I understand the online UL course is only available to current Maths teachers. Given my current work is in the North East its one of the only ones which could allow me to work and study with out major disruption-but Im not a current Maths teachers so I think Im out of luck?

rainbowtrout

darlett wrote: »

I am currently doing a PDE with Biology and Chemistry. I realise now more than ever that I will be hard pushed to get full hours from the Sciences alone and would like to add Mathematics. My original course Analytical Science in DCU included some Maths for the first 2 years of 4. But not enough to give me the 33% of coursework I understand required by the TC. Ive looked at courses but I'm not sure how best or most convenient to add this. If someone knows more I'd appreciate it.

I understand the online UL course is only available to current Maths teachers. Given my current work is in the North East its one of the only ones which could allow me to work and study with out major disruption-but Im not a current Maths teachers so I think Im out of luck?

You can do the relevant modules (3 of them) through open university. I can't remember the name of the thread but I started it about 2 years ago. It's called something like 'how to gain a maths qualification' if you do a search you should find it

DW2014

darlett wrote: »

I am currently doing a PDE with Biology and Chemistry. I realise now more than ever that I will be hard pushed to get full hours from the Sciences alone and would like to add Mathematics. My original course Analytical Science in DCU included some Maths for the first 2 years of 4. But not enough to give me the 33% of coursework I understand required by the TC. Ive looked at courses but I'm not sure how best or most convenient to add this. If someone knows more I'd appreciate it.

I understand the online UL course is only available to current Maths teachers. Given my current work is in the North East its one of the only ones which could allow me to work and study with out major disruption-but Im not a current Maths teachers so I think Im out of luck?

Hi,
Just wondering i have applied to do PDE this year in trinity. I also did A. Science and the teaching council say it covers chemisty and Biology. I applied for the chemistry course which i thought ment i could teach Chemisty and science. Will i be able to teach Bio also?

zero_

Hey,

just looking for some advice. I'm a History and Geography teacher. I've been teaching nearly 6 years and wants to add another subject as I'm not on a CID and am worried about my prospects with my combination being watered down in the new JC.

I am between doing the HDip in Theology in Maynooth to teach Religion and Literature in DCU. - which will allow me to teach English
I am just wonering if I do the Religion, would I get employment afterwards, possibly combined with history? Or would it be worth spending longer time and doing the degree in English?

I know that Religion is used as a filler in a lot of schools. I don't want to spend loads of money on the course and then find that I will not gain much from it. Are there a lot of people doing the Religion course now - will there be too many Religion teachers in a year or two?

I would prefer to be doing English within Oscail. I would enjoy the course more - but I realise there are a lot of teachers with the combination English, hist and Geo. However, it is a core subject so would that benefit me? I understand people will say 'I should be doing a subject I love', I know, but at this stage of teaching and the difficulties securing a CID in Ireland + costs involved, I just want to be as realistic and practical as possible.

Does anyone here have experience of doing English via Oscail? Is undertaking 2 modules while working full-time do-able?

If anyone has any advice I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks!

Inspector Coptoor

DW2014 wrote: »

Hi,
Just wondering i have applied to do PDE this year in trinity. I also did A. Science and the teaching council say it covers chemisty and Biology. I applied for the chemistry course which i thought ment i could teach Chemisty and science. Will i be able to teach Bio also?

If the Teaching Council say you're qualified for both - then you can teach both.
You must have 30% of your degree in that subject.

So a four year science degree with 240 credits would require 72 credits in bio & 72 in chem.

I feel very aggrieved with the TC as I have a biochemistry degree but they won't recognize me as a chem teacher. (Did pure chem in 1st year).

Doesn't stop me teaching chem in reality though

RealJohn

Just wondering if anyone knows if I'm likely to find a course to raise my level of physics to degree level (currently only have 1st year university physics) as it's looking increasingly likely that I'm going to wind up teaching it to leaving cert. So far, the only thing I've found that looks like it might do the job is the MSc in Applied Mathematics & Theoretical Physics in DIT and that looks like a lot of effort and expense (and I'm not even sure they'd accept me or that it would really be suitable for the purposes of leaving cert physics). Is the Open University my only option?
Any help would be appreciated.

rainbowtrout

RealJohn wrote: »

Just wondering if anyone knows if I'm likely to find a course to raise my level of physics to degree level (currently only have 1st year university physics) as it's looking increasingly likely that I'm going to wind up teaching it to leaving cert. So far, the only thing I've found that looks like it might do the job is the MSc in Applied Mathematics & Theoretical Physics in DIT and that looks like a lot of effort and expense (and I'm not even sure they'd accept me or that it would really be suitable for the purposes of leaving cert physics). Is the Open University my only option?
Any help would be appreciated.

I rang the Teaching Council about this only a few weeks back. I am in a similar position. I asked them about doing physics through OU which wouldn't be a problem for me, but then the woman on the phone asked me how was the practical work to be completed.

So I think one of two routes is possible (and I have not confirmed any of this with the TC)

Do the OU modules and then enrol for a module in a college here and do their labs and gain an exemption for the equivalent through the college

or just do the modules here through a college. I'm looking into the modules in Maynooth BSc Science Education at the moment.


Pm if you want to talk about it more.

Boeing777

rainbowtrout wrote: »

I'm looking into the modules in Maynooth BSc Science Education at the moment.

Hi, I'm not sure if I'm much help to you but I'm currently studying this course in Maynooth. If you have any questions I'd be more than willing to answer. I've just finished first year so maybe I mightn't be the best but I do have quite a strong knowledge of the course.

RealJohn

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Pm if you want to talk about it more.

PMed you, just in case you haven't checked.