how much to pay?

donegal.

I own a small shop and at the moment have no staff. I might hire a girl to work on Saturdays during her summer holidays from collage.
this work would have to be cash in hand and the most i could afford would be one day a week from 10am to 6 pm.
i was wondering how much would be reasonable to pay ?

Delancey

How about the current minimum wage ?

nungesser

minimum wage is not great pay I think its currently 8.65 an hour, I think a wage anywhere between 9 to 10 euro an hour would be fair, the difference between 8.65 and 9 euro may not seem like much but psychologically it really is, and if you could pay a person 10 euro an hour this is a very fair wage and a person may be more willing to put in the "extra mile" to help you out. thats my story and i'm sticking to it, best of luck with your shop!

BigGrayKettle

Totally agree with the above poster - there is a significant psychological difference for an employee between minimum wage and that little bit extra.

It is important at this stage of your business that you get the most value out of your employee, and feel that you can trust them completely. Look after your employees and they will look after you (most of the time anyway!)

relax carry on

donegal. wrote: »

I own a small shop and at the moment have no staff. I might hire a girl to work on Saturdays during her summer holidays from collage.
this work would have to be cash in hand and the most i could afford would be one day a week from 10am to 6 pm.
i was wondering how much would be reasonable to pay ?

Can't advise on the wage to pay, but you may wish to reconsider the "cash in hand" aspect. You have certain obligations to meet as an employer.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/business/employers-paye.html

wmpdd3

forget about 'cash in hand', do you want a tax audit? What ever you pay the person, it will cost you about 13percent extra including employers prsi etc. But be intelligent about the money you are paying. A student will not be claiming dole for the days they dont work so how about offering 3 x 1-5 shifts, that way you get the best value for the same outlay. Ask what shifts supermarkets offer, there's a reason they do those shift paterens.

donegal.

thanks for the replies. it looks like i'd probably be out €80/€90 a day and i'm not sure i could afford that.

squod

donegal. wrote: »

thanks for the replies. it looks like i'd probably be out €80/€90 a day and i'm not sure i could afford that.

Can I ask what is it you sell? Have you considered selling something different or providing a different service?

wmpdd3

donegal. wrote: »

thanks for the replies. it looks like i'd probably be out €80/€90 a day and i'm not sure i could afford that.

You shouldn't be 'out' really, your new employee should either increase sales or enable you to increase sales while they cover the shop.

donegal.

wmpdd3 wrote: »

You shouldn't be 'out' really, your new employee should either increase sales or enable you to increase sales while they cover the shop.

i work 6 days a week mon-sat and about 15 sundays a year. i was hoping to get someone in on Saturdays so i could spend some more time with the kids.
so presuming my new employee kept sales at there present levels, my take home pay/profit would would be down €90ish a week.

tatli_lokma

As others have said, 'cash in hand' just isn't really worth it TBH, as what you would save on this as opposed to making it legal is minimal - as in less than €10 per week.

minimum wage €8.65 x 7.5 hours (10-6 shift = 8hrs less 30 min break) = €64.88
PRSI at standard rate 10.75% (A class) = €6.97
total outlay €71.85

If you take on someone under 18 the minimum wage is less:
minimum wage for under 18's €6.06 x 7.5 hrs = €45.45
PRSI at 10.75% (A Class) = €4.89
total wages outlay €50.34

•An employee who is under 18 is entitled to €6.06 per hour (this is 70% of the minimum wage)
•An employee who is in the first year of employment since the age of 18 is entitled to €6.92 per hour (80% of minimum wage)
•An employee who is in the second year of employment since the date of first employment over the age of 18 is entitled to €7.79 per hour (90% of the minimum wage)

You need to bear in mind that this is your business, and as such you need to protect it. Will a 16 yr old on €50 a day take your business as seriously as you will? will they be mature and responsible enough to deal with cash handling and effectively self managing whilst working alone? are there issues with safety whilst they work alone?

If your business is so tight that you cannot afford €70 pay to someone so you can have a day off, then I think you need to knock the idea on the head.
You must have had a figure in your head as to what you were prepared to pay - what was it?
if it was closer to €50, then either take on a 16/17 year old, but be prepared to deal with potential issues with having someone so young work there, or take on an older person for €50 on a half day - you would at least benefit from an extra half day off and you would know that they are old enough/responsible enough to deal with working alone.

Mrs OBumble

donegal. wrote: »

I own a small shop and at the moment have no staff. I might hire a girl to work on Saturdays during her summer holidays from collage.
this work would have to be cash in hand and the most i could afford would be one day a week from 10am to 6 pm.
i was wondering how much would be reasonable to pay ?

OP, you've indicated that you're planning to break the law on at least two counts

1) Discriminating on the basis of sex (not allowed - unless you're selling women's clothing, I believe)

2) Failing to meet your responsibilities to the Revenue, and also to your employee (who should be getting PRSI credits for the time spent working with you.).

Please don't be asking for advice on how to break the law on boards.ie - it's not allowed here. (I'm assuming it was ignorance rather than malice, which s why I'm posting this rather than giving you a warning.)

Are you a member of any small business associations? Perhaps they can give you advice about the issues of having staff - things like pay rates, and also your need to have employer's liability insurance (imagine what could happen if your staff member got injured on the job).

donegal.

JustMary wrote: »

OP, you've indicated that you're planning to break the law on at least two counts

1) Discriminating on the basis of sex (not allowed - unless you're selling women's clothing, I believe)

2) Failing to meet your responsibilities to the Revenue, and also to your employee (who should be getting PRSI credits for the time spent working with you.).

Please don't be asking for advice on how to break the law on boards.ie - it's not allowed here. (I'm assuming it was ignorance rather than malice, which s why I'm posting this rather than giving you a warning.)

Are you a member of any small business associations? Perhaps they can give you advice about the issues of having staff - things like pay rates, and also your need to have employer's liability insurance (imagine what could happen if your staff member got injured on the job).

1) the person i had in mind is a girl
2)looking at the advise here, the savings to be made by paying cashinhand are minimal and i definitely won't be going down that route.

wmpdd3

When I was gowring up my parents worked 6 and 7 day weeks and took a few hours off on Christmas day, so I know where your coming from.

You could get someone to work a 8 hr day one week then a half day the next week. Also if Monday is a quieter day, could you get them to work Monday and then you'd have Sunday or Monday. Also you could get them to do 9-1 on the Monday, they do the half day.

To do this you'd give the person a 4hr contract. So they'd work a minimum 4 hrs per week, sometimes 8hrs.
for their holidays then you'd pay them for about 6 hrs per week for the 4 weeks they'd have off.



Also, its 20 weeks to Christmas, will you benefit from having a trained up member of staff to help you out if it gets busy?

allibastor

donegal. wrote: »

thanks for the replies. it looks like i'd probably be out €80/€90 a day and i'm not sure i could afford that.

then you need to ask what are you other over head costs. if a smaller figure like that is not acceptable, could you imagine what would happen if you had to fulfill any of your employer obligations, such as if the worker was sick of injured. and don't do cash in hand, it is very easy to get caught on and is not worth it unless its family of something like that