Diesel theft

rubbledoubledo

Hi all
Some thing i need to put out here. My sister car was wrongly impounded last Friday night. It was driven to Henry street and collected later by a prominent car dismantler and taken to his yard on the outskirts of Limerick city.

She signed a document saying her car would be safe and secure for the night. 125 euro was paid for to release it Saturday morning. To her horror the car was drained of diesel also.

This car dismantler is hired by An Garda Siochana. Sister contacted Henry street immediately, and now working on it.This is unacceptable.
The 125 euro will be refunded to her

Has this happened to any one else
Thanks

Anan1

How did they drain the diesel? Did they damage the tank?

tossy

Was it drained or did someone just take it for a drive and use all the diesel?

Neither are acceptable of course but the latter is far less sinister.

rubbledoubledo

What do u mean.

rubbledoubledo

Not directed to ur post tossy it is the one before.
Yes the car could have been driven around Saturday morning

MarkR

How much diesel was in the tank before / after? If it was full, a spin around town wasn't going to empty it.

pete4130

rubbledoubledo wrote: »

Not directed to ur post tossy it is the one before.
Yes the car could have been driven around Saturday morning

If it as impounded then they wouldn't have the keys. How do you expect, or even why do expect them to drive a car around overnight to drain it of diesel?

Kenny Logins

pete4130 wrote: »

If it as impounded then they wouldn't have the keys. How do you expect, or even why do expect them to drive a car around overnight to drain it of diesel?

Why wouldn't they have the keys?

tossy

pete4130 wrote: »

why do expect them to drive a car around overnight to drain it of diesel?

I don't think the purpose of driving it around was solely to drain it of diesel

Not saying this is what happened either but come on,don't be so naive.

kaahooters

if it was brought to a breakers yard, it would have been drained of diesel or petrol for safety reasons.

kaahooters

kaahooters wrote: »

if it was brought to a breakers yard, it would have been drained of diesel or petrol for safety reasons.

What safety reasons?

él statutorio

Kase Gifted Waterfall wrote: »

What safety reasons?

Diesel has been known to be flammable....

galwaytt

él statutorio wrote: »

Diesel has been known to be flammable....

..when provoked, you mean.

Otherwise it just sits there and ruins your paving.

dr.fuzzenstein

Draining a car of petrol or diesel for safety reasons?
I think my sarcasm detector is broken.
If serious, get real. I don't think I have heard of any storage facility for cars that drains the fuel.
Because, you know, just that some might say that a car is kind of designed to store that kind of stuff, just saying, seems like a petrol or diesel tank would be the kind of place you store that stuff in.
And draining it would be time consuming, messy, dangerous, could spill, more of a hazard really than leaving it where it is.

Of course, having said that, a scrappy would drain fuel and other fluids out of a car if they where to scrap it.
Otherwise it would just make no sense.
OP, check your car, is it now a cube, much smaller and you have trouble getting in due to everything being squashed solid? Then your car has been scrapped and they where right to drain the fuel.
If car appears normal, draining the fuel makes no sense.

Of course you must always allow for the possibility that your sister "misremembered" the fuel level.

hondasam

rubbledoubledo wrote: »

Hi all
Some thing i need to put out here. My sister car was wrongly impounded last Friday night. It was driven to Henry street and collected later by a prominent car dismantler and taken to his yard on the outskirts of Limerick city.

She signed a document saying her car would be safe and secure for the night. 125 euro was paid for to release it Saturday morning. To her horror the car was drained of diesel also.

This car dismantler is hired by An Garda Siochana. Sister contacted Henry street immediately, and now working on it.This is unacceptable.
The 125 euro will be refunded to her

Has this happened to any one else
Thanks

How was it wrongly impounded? How much diesel was in it ? Why was it driven back to Henry st garda station?

Kenny Logins

Maybe there was no diesel when it was impounded..

rubbledoubledo

The tax expired on the car November 2011. My sister became the registered owner May 2012. She bought the car in may. It was an Audi. It said 150 miles driving left in the car plus the fuel gauge to back it up.

When she got it back it said 0 miles driving time, and the gauge in the red.
I think it was sucked out.
This idea for safety reasons the diesel or petrol taken out. a joke

Never heard of it.
As one poster said alot safer in its own tank. I agree with him

tossy

rubbledoubledo wrote: »

It said 150 miles driving left in the car plus the fuel gauge to back it up.

When she got it back it said 0 miles driving time, and the gauge in the red.
I think it was sucked out.

Is it a B6 A4 ?

Pottler

150km of driving left??? IE almost empty on a modern diesel - mine says 270km when the tanks at the bottom of the last quarter. So, €5 of diesel was "maybe" lost. I'd be ringing Joe, no question. Anyway, women never put fuel in a car and always insist they did - every time I get into my wifes, sisters or female cousins car the orange lights always on yet they insist "they just filled it".

hondasam

rubbledoubledo wrote: »

The tax expired on the car November 2011. My sister became the registered owner May 2012. She bought the car in may. It was an Audi. It said 150 miles driving left in the car plus the fuel gauge to back it up.

When she got it back it said 0 miles driving time, and the gauge in the red.
I think it was sucked out.
This idea for safety reasons the diesel or petrol taken out. a joke

Never heard of it.
As one poster said alot safer in its own tank. I agree with him

You will get 100 miles for a €10 with the Audi. I very much doubt anyone drained €10 of diesel while the car was in the compound.
Was the car in her name?

dougie-lampkin

rubbledoubledo wrote: »

The tax expired on the car November 2011. My sister became the registered owner May 2012. She bought the car in may. It was an Audi. It said 150 miles driving left in the car plus the fuel gauge to back it up.

When she got it back it said 0 miles driving time, and the gauge in the red.
I think it was sucked out.
This idea for safety reasons the diesel or petrol taken out. a joke

Never heard of it.
As one poster said alot safer in its own tank. I agree with him

Where was it lifted? There's always the possibility the guard took it for a rag before bringing it to Henry st, for an emergency or a brekkie roll.

I assume it was Sweeney's it went to? The last time I saw a car being lifted it was loaded onto a Sweeneys truck. They wouldn't drain the car of diesel, either for safety reasons or for the craic. Why would they went they can legitimately take it from scrapped cars.

As far as I'm aware you can refuse a guard to drive your car away. You can demand it goes away on the back of a truck, which you will have to pay (steeply) for if you are in the wrong.

dr.fuzzenstein

Pottler wrote: »

150km of driving left??? IE almost empty on a modern diesel - mine says 270km when the tanks at the bottom of the last quarter. So, €5 of diesel was "maybe" lost. I'd be ringing Joe, no question. Anyway, women never put fuel in a car and always insist they did - every time I get into my wifes, sisters or female cousins car the orange lights always on yet they insist "they just filled it".

Oh yeah and they checked the pressure on all four tires, the oil, coolant and refilled the windscreen washer fluid.:D

Pottler

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Oh yeah and they checked the pressure on all four tires, the oil, coolant and refilled the windscreen washer fluid.:D

My OH came in the other day and said her car was "driving funny". I went out for a look and the LHR tyre was shredded to the rim. She also thinks a "fill" of fuel is €10 worth - IE, "I filled the car with diesel there today" -Me-"yeah, how much did it cost?" Her-"same as always, a tenner". I think she says it to annoy me at this stage.:D She relies on muggins borrowing it for somthing once or twice a week and actually filling it. Hmmm, sneaky.Women are smart..

hondasam

Pottler wrote: »

She relies on muggins borrowing it for somthing once or twice a week and actually filling it. Hmmm, sneaky.Women are smart..

If she gets away with this she is smart or you are a pushover

Pottler

hondasam wrote: »

If she gets away with this she is smart or you are a pushover

aah, I'm a pushover when it comes to her anyway and she knows it. I kinda like filling the car for her - I'd probably push it around for her if she asked:D

hondasam

Pottler wrote: »

aah, I'm a pushover when it comes to her anyway and she knows it. I kinda like filling the car for her - I'd probably push it around for her if she asked:D

ffs man up and stop embarrassing yourself.:p
Only joking she is a lucky lady.

Pottler

hondasam wrote: »

ffs man up and stop embarrassing yourself.:p
Only joking she is a lucky lady.

I'll try. Never works though.

dr.fuzzenstein

Pottler wrote: »

My OH came in the other day and said her car was "driving funny". I went out for a look and the LHR tyre was shredded to the rim. She also thinks a "fill" of fuel is €10 worth - IE, "I filled the car with diesel there today" -Me-"yeah, how much did it cost?" Her-"same as always, a tenner". I think she says it to annoy me at this stage.:D She relies on muggins borrowing it for somthing once or twice a week and actually filling it. Hmmm, sneaky.Women are smart..

Ah yes, the old "putting in a tenner"
I ask my OH which station is cheapest for her and she said "Station XYZ".
I asked how she knows that, she says "When I put in a tenner, the needle moves up further".
She has no idea how much any of the stations charge per liter and me pointing out to her that simply seeing how far the needle moves is not always a good indicator, since there could be more or less left in the tank.
No point, just like murdering pasta (another rant), she, by now, must be doing wrong on purpose purely to annoy me.

On the tire thing: OMFG.

Reminds me of this:
http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/99/Mar/alternate.html

An Ri rua

Maybe its a http://www.audi.ie/ie/brand/en/experience/audi_e-tron/audi_a1_e-tron.html Sisters can be funny like that. Seriously, 150km left? Good God Almighty man. Work the numbers.

MarkR

rubbledoubledo wrote: »

The tax expired on the car November 2011. My sister became the registered owner May 2012. She bought the car in may. It was an Audi. It said 150 miles driving left in the car plus the fuel gauge to back it up.

When she got it back it said 0 miles driving time, and the gauge in the red.
I think it was sucked out.
This idea for safety reasons the diesel or petrol taken out. a joke

Never heard of it.
As one poster said alot safer in its own tank. I agree with him

Back on topic, was it lifted because the tax was out? Had your sister paid the tax, and just not displayed it?

mitchaul

kaahooters wrote: »

if it was brought to a breakers yard, it would have been drained of diesel or petrol for safety reasons.

Are you for real!!!

Plain and simple greed by the sounds of it.
I'll be very intereested to hear how hard the gardai actually investigate it.
Put my house on nothing sinsiter being discovered and the gardai continuing to use them.

hondasam

mitchaul wrote: »

Are you for real!!!

Plain and simple greed by the sounds of it.
I'll be very intereested to hear how hard the gardai actually investigate it.
Put my house on nothing sinsiter being discovered and the gardai continuing to use them.

Greed we are talking €10 of diesel, perhaps the op's sister did not know how much diesel was in the tank.

cdublin

hondasam wrote: »

Greed we are talking €10 of diesel, perhaps the op's sister did not know how much diesel was in the tank.

The OP never mentioned a tenner, you came up with that. whether they robbed €10 or €10,000 its greed.

hondasam

cdublin wrote: »

The OP never mentioned a tenner, you came up with that. whether they robbed €10 or €10,000 its greed.

rubbledoubledo wrote: »

. It was an Audi. It said 150 miles driving left in the car plus the fuel gauge to back it up.

150 miles left is €10 worth of diesel.

Kenny Logins

cdublin wrote: »

The OP never mentioned a tenner, you came up with that. whether they robbed €10 or €10,000 its greed.

Hey, there is still no proof that the diesel was in fact taken.

Was the gauge actually checked as the car was impounded, or was it a case of the all-too-familiar 'yeah, just filled it'? Is there a receipt for diesel that day or anything?

Storm in a teacup IMHO, and I would be very hesitant in accusing somebody of theft based on the very shaky evidence presented in this thread.

aristotle25

hondasam wrote: »

150 miles left is €10 worth of diesel.

Well not really, that would be over 100mpg

Diesel is about 1.50 per litter so it would be less than 75 miles anyways depending on the cara and how it was driven.

tossy

Also its worth noting that 'miles till empty' is calculated on your driving over the last 30miles or so - so is not an accurate way of determining what was left in the tank.

For instance you leave Dublin and drive 30 miles on the motorway at 100kph you are going to get late 40's early 50's in your average diesel car,you leave the motorway with a gallon left in the tank and check your miles till empty,it says you have 60 miles left but then you encounter heavy stop start traffic and in reality are probably only going to get 30 miles! Try doing believing this in a powerful petrol car and you will get stung even worse!

Also on my old B6 A4 the diesel gauge was rubbish,if i parked it up for a night with 1/4 left in the tank it would read zero the next day and would continue to do so until i filled it up again and it corrected itself.

rubbledoubledo

aristotle25 wrote: »

Well not really, that would be over 100mpg

Diesel is about 1.50 per litter so it would be less than 75 miles anyways depending on the cara and how it was driven.

That would be more like it.
You have to be very sure before u report some thing.
She know what she is talking about.

Whether it be 10, 15, 20 euro, thats not the point, it was used, taken what ever.

A few more Details. Its an A4, on in years . She got €40, went to Tralee and home. Round trip say 90 miles. then headed for limerick 25 miles, stopped just heading in to limerick

Kenny Logins

rubbledoubledo wrote: »

That would be more like it.
You have to be very sure before u report some thing.
She know what she is talking about.

Whether it be 10, 15, 20 euro, thats not the point, it was used, taken what ever.

A few more Details. Its an A4, on in years . She got €40, went to Tralee and home. Round trip say 90 miles. then headed for limerick 25 miles, stopped just heading in to limerick

Where is 'home'?

rubbledoubledo

25 miles from Limerick

rubbledoubledo

Hi all
This is my take on the whole thing. Spoke to a scrap dealer years ago. The amount of cars that come in with a lot of fuel left in the tanks.
Cars that will not be going back on the road. They would suck the fuel out and use it themselves. I would do the same.

With fuel prices today, its now and more its been done. I think this is what happened with this car. They must be lots of cars today being picked up, problems with tax, NCT, insurance.

They thought another car here to stay.
If the car was there for a week or so, u would say some thing, but just over night, they acted fast.
Then may be some one used it to visit their Grandmother

aristotle25

rubbledoubledo wrote: »

A few more Details. Its an A4, on in years . She got €40, went to Tralee and home. Round trip say 90 miles. then headed for limerick 25 miles, stopped just heading in to limerick

Its not off the wall....

Bough €40 diesel which is about 25.6 litters.
Drove 115 miles so if all 25 litters used that 20 mpg.

Mileage might be less/more, city driving and type of driving all effects the mpg.

When some car reaches a certain level of fuel it will no longer calculate the expected km remaining and will be blank or display 0 instead. This is certainly true of my Renault Fluence as is tends to go from 100km to 0 in between trips.
Therefore I doubt any crime has been committed other than driving with no Tax!

matt-dublin

why would they remove it for safety?

diesal's not flammable unless under pressure or hotter than 56 degrees celcius??

E39MSport

All fluids are removed from ELV's and disposed of or used in accordance with regulation.

hondasam

rubbledoubledo wrote: »

Hi all
This is my take on the whole thing. Spoke to a scrap dealer years ago. The amount of cars that come in with a lot of fuel left in the tanks.
Cars that will not be going back on the road. They would suck the fuel out and use it themselves. I would do the same.

This is a compound where cars are taken on behalf of AGS, you are accusing them of stealing €10 of diesel.

With fuel prices today, its now and more its been done. I think this is what happened with this car. They must be lots of cars today being picked up, problems with tax, NCT, insurance.

The compound will be fully aware the car is there for no tax and the owner will be picking it up again so it's not there for scrap because if it was the owner has to sign a form to say it can be scrapped.

They thought another car here to stay.
If the car was there for a week or so, u would say some thing, but just over night, they acted fast.
Then may be some one used it to visit their Grandmothe

They would not have though that at all. Have the gardai got back to your sister yet?

zapata

Is it possible that the engine was left running after been driven onto tow truck and while it was being transported and also possibly in the storage compound?

rubbledoubledo

Any thing is possible. There is valid points being made here ok.
This 150 miles driving thing, i would not rely on that too much.
City driving, pulling a trailer, that would change things alot.

The same night she was on a journey, she had got the diesel for this trip alone. Then she get it back in the red
That is why i think she is so sure.

Heard nothing back yet. I would like to know myself what the outcome will be.

rubbledoubledo

rubbledoubledo wrote: »

............
The 125 euro will be refunded to her.............

Why does she give a sh1t about €10/€15 worth of diesel if they are refunding the €125? I'd see that as a big win and move on.

Atlantic Dawn

Why doesn't she report the seizing of the car to the Garda Ombudsman if she feels the Gardai were in the wrong?