Krav Maga Global Dublin

FeckArseInc

Has anyone any experience training with this club?

http://www.krav-maga-ireland.com/

They say they're part of Krav Maga Global. So you do a grading with them, your rank will be recognised internationally.

I tried emailing them though, but haven't gotten a response.

Peetrik

I noticed you asked this in another thread too.

I could well be wrong here (open to corrections) but I think the regulars here are being too polite/PC to respond to another Krav Maga thread.

In response to your question, I'm not familiar with the organisation mentioned. Due to the (what I consider to be) wildly improbably claims and shocking overpricing by other Krav Maga courses/schools, I've come to doubt the validity of the entire style and think it's a money spinner set up to abuse vulnerable people.
I'd urge caution and plenty of research before handing over anything more than the cost of a few classes to see for yourself.

Just my opinion, apologies for not having any info on the organisation itself but I didn't want you to think you were being ignored

arybvtcw0eolkf

Peetrik wrote: »

In response to your question, I'm not familiar with the organisation mentioned. Due to the (what I consider to be) wildly improbably claims and shocking overpricing by other Krav Maga courses/schools, I've come to doubt the validity of the entire style and think it's a money spinner set up to abuse vulnerable people.

I had a look at their pricing, tbh they're about the same as another martial arts class and certainly nothing like the prices which some used to charge.

OP it says on their website that the first class in free so why not drop out and give it a try, sure if you enjoy it then a tenner a class isn't too bad and it gets cheaper the more classes you attend.

Peetrik wrote: »

Just my opinion, apologies for not having any info on the organisation itself but I didn't want you to think you were being ignored

Thank you, you're always very helpful here.

SaoriseBiker

FeckArseInc wrote: »

Has anyone any experience training with this club?

http://www.krav-maga-ireland.com/

They say they're part of Krav Maga Global. So you do a grading with them, your rank will be recognised internationally.

I tried emailing them though, but haven't gotten a response.

Not a fan of Krav Maga (KM) by any means. I take it your quite a newbie to Martial Arts (MA). Most people new to MA are a bit sort of mesmerised by rankings and belts etc I'm a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and like everyone when I joined first 15 years ago, I was into getting up the the ranks asap and thought having such and such a belt was ' proof ' that you would be able to hadle yourself in most situations.

I wouldn't get too carried away by rankings, consistent training around 3 nights a week is the way to gain self defence skills. With a few exceptions, it takes 2 years + to get to a decent level. Be careful of some organistations of MA's that offer you grades every 3 months all for just €XX euros !!!! Their con men, hard consistent training, their no way around it.

In my experience Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, though one of the toughest MA's, is the best to learn in a period less than a year. EXCELLENT self defence system, but the first 6 months is TOUGH you'll spend most of your time getting submitted again and again, you have been warned

Peetrik

littlemacd wrote: »

KMG GLobal Clubs dont charge major money and you dont have to pay up front. they charge by the month so you can do four classes in a month and then never go back if you dont like it

some clubs offer free introduction nights

however it took me Four weeks to begin enjoying it.

It will make you sweat and gasp a little bit however you will really enjoy it and you wont get broken :-)

I'm sure it's a lot of fun, as I've said before however my doubts about its effectiveness spring from the claims made in the promotion of the style.

Also I wouldn't consider 60e a month rate for 3 classes a week particularly impressive. I know the club I train at is very cheap but I pay 65e for up to 44 classes a month in theory.
Again I know mine is quite cheap but yours comes off as fairly expensive in comparison.

Dyr

Peetrik wrote: »

I'm sure it's a lot of fun, as I've said before however my doubts about its effectiveness spring from the claims made in the promotion of the style.

Also I wouldn't consider 60e a month rate for 3 classes a week particularly impressive. I know the club I train at is very cheap but I pay 65e for up to 44 classes a month in theory.
Again I know mine is quite cheap but yours comes off as fairly expensive in comparison.

Works out a fiver a class, that's as cheap as uncurried chips

Peetrik

Bambi wrote: »

Works out a fiver a class, that's as cheap as uncurried chips

I'd consider a fiver for a bag of chips expensive too hahaha

Jimmybourne

Krav Maga Global are as you would think a global federation. Any gradings are done by Israeli Instructors and grades are recognised worldwide by KMG instructors. There is a lot of stupid fighting between the various Krav federations. So I cant say if the likes of KM Worldwide would recognise KMGs grading. IKMF and KMG have a similar structure so I would say if you decided to leave one for the other they would recognise your grading. I strongly recommend you don`t get codded by the weekend courses some people do, unless they are advertised as intro/taster courses. You will learn sweet F*** all in two days.

The one thing I can say is KMG have a large network in Ireland.

Richy06

Most pyramid schemes do.

Civilian Personal Protection

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

In my experience Brazillian Jiu Jitsu, though one of the toughest MA's, is the best to learn in a period less than a year. EXCELLENT self defence system, but the first 6 months is TOUGH you'll spend most of your time getting submitted again and again, you have been warned

If it's anything like Renzo Gracie's recent example of what not to do in self defence for the street, might be best to disect what self defence training actually means. Renzo, highly skilled in BJJ showed an appalling lack of understanding, or training, of street self defence.

Anyhow, unless one trains on rough ground outside in a spontaneous in your face manner, the warmth and joyful time of the tatami is another 'experience' unlike reality.

warmest wishes

Wayne

SaoriseBiker

Civilian Personal Protection wrote: »

If it's anything like Renzo Gracie's recent example of what not to do in self defence for the street, might be best to disect what self defence training actually means. Renzo, highly skilled in BJJ showed an appalling lack of understanding, or training, of street self defence.

Anyhow, unless one trains on rough ground outside in a spontaneous in your face manner, the warmth and joyful time of the tatami is another 'experience' unlike reality.

warmest wishes

Wayne

Fair enough I'm always open minded to correction, so can you give us say, a Youtube example or something what to in self defence for the street ??

Civilian Personal Protection

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

Fair enough I'm always open minded to correction, so can you give us say, a Youtube example or something what to in self defence for the street ??

i'm busy working on m book today, and can't be bothered to look for specifics through youtube. no offence meant at all. i'll list some things, ya maybe can look if ya got time?

Renzo's case is a classic example of not adapting rule based training for the street. In BJJ it is based on rules, and the rules are in some way eventually based on law. In a street attack no rules or law exists. a criminal by definition is acting freely, outside of all rule of law, else it ain't criminal. Renzo acted illegally by going beyond reasonable force. Once a threat is no longer a threat, self defence as a defence no longer applies. In Renzo's case he had one guy unconscious, and was hitting him. In between a pronlonged attack Renzo was able to stop repeatedly and tweet his adventures. glorifying it in plain language.

Renzo also said he wasn't afraid of guns since they are illegal in NYC. Since when do criminals with guns take notice of the law.

Renzo went to the ground with one of the men. The other man ran off. There was a clear danger of multiples, and one should never go horizontal on the street, stay there, incase they get their head stamped in, etc, by others.

My opinion is BJJ is an excellent style. Same as most styles. The training just needs to be adapted for the street. A street attack begins way before the violence. The criminal must have the opportunity to carry out their intent. and the will to do so.

Training in self defence should begin with not placing oneself in high risk areas or situations. Self defence law. Then conflict resolution. Criminal psychology. Pre-emptive strikes. Activities to enable the student to act optimally dealing with combat stress. street specific fitness & strength. focus on escaping. All this should be taught thinking along the lines of what is natural second nature.

These are some approaches i use.

Warmest wishes

Wayne

bill buchanan

Civilian Personal Protection wrote: »

These are some approaches i use.

I'm not trying to be obtuse, but how do you know they work? I don't mean for you, as someone with a lot of experience fighting in the streets. I mean for, say, my sister or my missus.

Civilian Personal Protection

bill buchanan wrote: »

I'm not trying to be obtuse, but how do you know they work? I don't mean for you, as someone with a lot of experience fighting in the streets. I mean for, say, my sister or my missus.

It's a fair comment. Unless the person learning the system tries it for real on the street, ultimately they won't know. It's made more complicated by the countless variables within street attacks. no two are the same.

My honest answer is It's impossible to say what will work for all people, under all circumstances for the street. I feel any teacher who claims otherwise is lying and definitely over-marketing.

I teach what would have stopped us from doing our stuff. Reversing my experiences/understandings.

In the case of sex crime against females for example, we've got females who have went through long term abuse to advise us. As well as my own understanding of living alongside them in prison.

warmest wishes

Wayne

bill buchanan

Civilian Personal Protection wrote: »

It's a fair comment. Unless the person learning the system tries it for real on the street, ultimately they won't know. It's made more complicated by the countless variables within street attacks. no two are the same.

My honest answer is It's impossible to say what will work for all people, under all circumstances for the street. I feel any teacher who claims otherwise is lying and definitely over-marketing.

I teach what would have stopped us from doing our stuff. Reversing my experiences/understandings.

In the case of sex crime against females for example, we've got females who have went through long term abuse to advise us. As well as my own understanding of living alongside them in prison.

warmest wishes

Wayne

While I'm a bit unsure about this type of training, I think you're very honest about stuff like this, which is a nice change from a lot of the self defence stuff being sold. So, fair play

Komsomolitz

I've always been curious about krav maga and systema especially, but from looking them up here in dublin they both seem horribly over-priced.

I just moved to dublin and started a new course in DCU so naturally i'm tight with money but even if i was still fully employed, both look like money making schemes so far. I guess they're catering to eejits like myself who've watched too many special forces documentaries.


Can anyone recommend affordable and effective self-defence/martial arts courses in the dublin area? I have no experience with martial arts but i'm thinking of getting involved in one as a good way to keep active and learn something interesting and productive at the same time.

Civilian Personal Protection

Komsomolitz wrote: »

Can anyone recommend affordable and effective self-defence/martial arts courses in the dublin area? I have no experience with martial arts but i'm thinking of getting involved in one as a good way to keep active and learn something interesting and productive at the same time.

Effective for the street..

http://combatives.ie/

They're Dublin.

Peetrik

Komsomolitz wrote: »

Can anyone recommend affordable and effective self-defence/martial arts courses in the dublin area?

Do you know if you'd prefer to do more striking (punching, kicking, knees etc) or more grappling (throws, chokes) or maybe a bit of both?

RainMaker

Go over to the DCU sports centre, not sure if it's still there but there was a Judo club up there that was pretty cheap for students and there might be some other stuff there as well on other nights...

SorGan

Civilian Personal Protection wrote: »

Effective for the street..

http://combatives.ie/

They're Dublin.

cheap as chips and solid stuff too.

Civilian Personal Protection

SorGan wrote: »

cheap as chips and solid stuff too.

I've never been to their place. The reputation of the founder says it all though

yomchi

Civilian Personal Protection wrote: »

I've never been to their place. The reputation of the founder says it all though

aww shucks you guys

SorGan

yomchi wrote: »

aww shucks you guys

Komsomolitz

Civilian Personal Protection wrote: »

Effective for the street..

http://combatives.ie/

They're Dublin.

Thanks, will give them a look.

Peetrik wrote: »

Do you know if you'd prefer to do more striking (punching, kicking, knees etc) or more grappling (throws, chokes) or maybe a bit of both?

Probably a bit of both, i'd imagine a discipline that focuses too much on one ends up becoming a bit inflexible.

RainMaker wrote: »

Go over to the DCU sports centre, not sure if it's still there but there was a Judo club up there that was pretty cheap for students and there might be some other stuff there as well on other nights...

Thats a fair point, I did notice the judo club in the sports centre but I cant help but be more attracted to what i see as more practical and realistic arts such as systema and krav maga.

bill buchanan

Komsomolitz wrote: »

I cant help but be more attracted to what i see as more practical and realistic arts such as systema and krav maga.

I don't know about Sytema, mate. BUt I did KM for a good while and it's not realistic at all. It's like choregraphed moves. I've done it in a couple of places, too, under different instructor, so it wasn't just one bad instructor. I also have a mate who does it. He thinks he's invincible. He really believes he can disarm knives etc. He's about a year from the black belt equivalent and has never come home with an injury and has never sparred.

I bought into all this rubbish about special forces etc too. But I just got bored with it because of the lack of sparring. When I took up a proper martial art with proper contact sparring I realised how bad I was at fighting, despite thinking I was bad ass at KM

Of course, the above is simply opinion, and others would have very different views.

Peetrik

Komsomolitz wrote: »

Peetrik wrote: »

Do you know if you'd prefer to do more striking (punching, kicking, knees etc) or more grappling (throws, chokes) or maybe a bit of both?

Probably a bit of both, i'd imagine a discipline that focuses too much on one ends up becoming a bit inflexible.

I'd recommend you do MMA in that case. Very good mix of everything, is trained effectively and you have the option of competing to make sure you aren't just learning choreography like in Krav Maga

Best of luck in whatever you choose.

SorGan

Komsomolitz wrote: »

Thats a fair point, I did notice the judo club in the sports centre but I cant help but be more attracted to what i see as more practical and realistic arts such as systema and krav maga.

id put my money on a judo guy any given day