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Holodomor

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  • 17-06-2012 8:13pm
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    Crann na Beatha
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    Manach
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    AFAIR from books by Robert Service, this was a deliberate attempt by the Soviet State to surpress dissent from nationalist/rural groups. The enforced industrial programs required cheap food resources to fuel these activities and agricultural collectivisation was ideologically in sync. with communism.


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    tac foley
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    Aquila wrote: »
    Do you believe it was the intention of the Soviets to carry out this genocide in Ukraine,Moldova and other SSR regions?
    And are there similarities of this atrocity and of the Irish great famine?


    Sir - Why yes, of course there was.

    Sarcasm aside, are you seriously suggesting that the British government of the day was totally responsible for the planning of the potato blight? Or that the BGOTD used the natural event to cause wholesale genocide?

    Do you really believe that to be the case? If so, I'm amazed.

    I'm also amazed that a moderator on this site has stooped so low.

    tac


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    Crann na Beatha
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    jonniebgood1
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    Aquila wrote: »
    Do you believe it was the intention of the Soviets to carry out this genocide in Ukraine,Moldova and other SSR regions?

    There are some commonly given reasons why this may not be classified as genocide. The famine affected the whole country rather than just the Ukrainians (as a distinct ethnic group) . Ukrainians made up 74% of the population of the state in 1932 (source Robert service- Penguin history of modern Russia pg 202). The famine also effected neighbouring Soviet states with non Ukrainian populations. During the famine the Soviet leadership lowered the quotas to be collected from the state farms as a measure to relieve the famine hit areas. It was a totally inadequate measure. The basis for these objections would seem to be the definition of the word genocide.
    Aquila wrote: »
    And are there similarities of this atrocity and of the Irish great famine?
    I think atrocity is a better description than genocide. And there are similarities IMO:
    -Government pursuing theoretical objectives rather than actually dealing with the obvious problems.
    -An outside force unwilling to properly address the suffering of a population when it had the means to do so.


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