Highest scoring player on a championship losing team (hurling)

mickmcl09

Heard my Dad and some work men discussing great hurlers of yester year and they mentioned this guy - Francis Loughnane
2-10 against Limerick in 1973.
Amazing score and an amazing player by their accounts, won everything except a minor All-Ireland and was part of the great Roscrea team in the early 70's that won the first Club All Ireland.

Morte

Was he the free taker? There's a massive difference between scoring tallies for free takers and from play. Canning hit 2-12 against Cork in the 2008 match so he's above him anyway if you're counting placed balls.

John Mullane hit 3-1 in the 2003 Munster final so that's a starting point for losing scores from play.

teednab-el

Eoin Kelly scored 13 or 14 Points in the 2009 All Ireland Final and ended up on the loosing side.

mickmcl09

Morte wrote: »

Was he the free taker? There's a massive difference between scoring tallies for free takers and from play. Canning hit 2-12 against Cork in the 2008 match so he's above him anyway if you're counting placed balls.

John Mullane hit 3-1 in the 2003 Munster final so that's a starting point for losing scores from play.

I'm trying to source the breakdown of his scores, he must have been the free taker with a score that high, but I'd also hazard a guess that he got less from frees than we might imagine - frees were much harder earned back in those days.

I'd never heard of him 'til yesterday, before my time, but what surprises me about that is the ould fellas were saying he was comparable/almost as good as the great Jimmy Doyle. That in itself says a lot about him.

Anyone ever see him play? He played senior club with Roscrea until he was 40 and appeared in 13 County Finals during a very long career. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Loughnane

bruschi

teednab-el wrote: »

Eoin Kelly scored 13 or 14 Points in the 2009 All Ireland Final and ended up on the loosing side.

1-9 he got, and all of points from frees and a lucky goal McGarry let past him. Not that huge of a score in a losing game. 2008 too.

Fireball07

Remember when Clare beat Waterford in the first round of the Munster Championship a few years back? I think it was 2008. Mullane scored something like 0-11 from play that day.

Mountainlad

bruschi wrote: »

1-9 he got, and all of points from frees and a lucky goal McGarry let past him. Not that huge of a score in a losing game. 2008 too.

Must be a different game you're thinking of, P.J. Ryan was in goal and didn't concede a goal. Made saves from Noel McGrath, Callinan and Kelly, won him a token Kilkenny goalie all star.

Sorry, understand the confusion now. Think Teednab-el was on about 2009 when Eoin Kelly scored 0-13 points for Tipp.

Fireball07 wrote: »

Remember when Clare beat Waterford in the first round of the Munster Championship a few years back? I think it was 2008. Mullane scored something like 0-11 from play that day.

0-8 points he scored that day. It was in 2008.

teednab-el

bruschi wrote: »

1-9 he got, and all of points from frees and a lucky goal McGarry let past him. Not that huge of a score in a losing game. 2008 too.

Incorrect.

Final score All Ireland Final 2009: Kilkenny 2-22 Tipperary 0-23.

Tipperary didn't score a goal. They had many chances though.

As far as I remember he got 13 points including placed balls but played brilliant that day.

megadodge

Eddie Keher scored 2-11 in an All-Ireland final while on the losing team in 1971.

CrabRevolution

Can see where the confusion is coming from, what are the chances 2 men on 2 different teams both called Eoin Kelly both end up top scorer when losing an all ireland final to Kilkenny on 2 consecutive years?

Waterford's Eoin Kelly scored 1-9 in the 2008 AI final, but lost to Kilkenny.

Tipperary's Eoin Kelly scored 0-13 in the 2009 AI final, but lost to Kilkenny.

PJ Ryan played in both finals for Kilkenny, but didnt concede a goal, as James McGarry came on to replace him in the 2008 final, and the Waterford goal was scored on him.

bruschi

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Can see where the confusion is coming from, what are the chances 2 men on 2 different teams both called Eoin Kelly both end up top scorer when losing an all ireland final to Kilkenny on 2 consecutive years?

Waterford's Eoin Kelly scored 1-9 in the 2008 AI final, but lost to Kilkenny.

Tipperary's Eoin Kelly scored 0-13 in the 2009 AI final, but lost to Kilkenny.

PJ Ryan played in both finals for Kilkenny, but didnt concede a goal, as James McGarry came on to replace him in the 2008 final, and the Waterford goal was scored on him.

yup, I was thinking of the Waterford Eoin Kelly alright. Apologies for the confusion. In any case, its still not a huge total for a losing player who takes frees.

cormacocomhrai

Damian Quigley scored 2-3 in the 1994 All Ireland final for Limerick and ended up losing. From memory Quigley scored all that from play but I could be wrong about that. Gary Kirby was taking the frees then for Limerick. The rest of the Limerick team (barring the two above) only scored four or four points between them and Ciarán Carey scored two of them which makes Quigley's performance even more impressive.
There can't be many scoring performances more impressive than that in All Ireland finals in recent years.

DEFTLEFTHAND

I know Francis, the Loughnane family have run a pub in Roscrea for years. Most hurling people in town would regard him as one of our best ever. He was unfortunate in the fact that when he came on the scene Tipp were about to begin their "Famine" period. Apart from the 1971 win he didn't pick up another intercounty AI.

He did achieve a lot at club level though, Roscrea were a right decent team in those days and were the inaugural winners of the AI club championship as well as racking up numerous county and Munster titles.

The_Kew_Tour

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I know Francis, the Loughnane family have run a pub in Roscrea for years. Most hurling people in town would regard him as one of our best ever. He was unfortunate in the fact that when he came on the scene Tipp were about to begin their "Famine" period. Apart from the 1971 win he didn't pick up another intercounty AI.

He did achieve a lot at club level though, Roscrea were a right decent team in those days and were the inaugural winners of the AI club championship as well as racking up numerous county and Munster titles.

They only won 1 Munster title and that was year they won AI.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

They only won 1 Munster title and that was year they won AI.

They won 1969 and 70.

cbirt531

aye

nlgbbbblth

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

They won 1969 and 70.

Cork won 69 and 70 Munster,

Morte

He meant Roscrea won the Munster club championship.

The_Kew_Tour

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

They won 1969 and 70.

If that the case and I have no reason to doubt you then I hold my hand up and I was wrong.

I presumed that first year of All Ireland would been first year of Munster too.