Forced Abortion, China.

curlzy

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/china-probes-forced-abortion-case-amid-uproar-060412699.html?nc

Chinese authorities confirmed Thursday that a woman was forced to abort seven months into her pregnancy, several days after her plight came to light when images of her baby's corpse were posted online.
Rights groups have blamed authorities in north China's Shaanxi province for forcing Feng Jianmei to abort her pregnancy because she failed to pay a hefty fine for exceeding China's strict "one-child" population control policy.
The Shaanxi provincial government said in a statement that a preliminary probe had confirmed the case was "basically true", and the investigators have recommended action be taken against the perpetrators.
"This is a serious violation of the National Population and Family Planning Commission's policies, jeopardises the population control work and has caused uneasiness in society," the provincial government said on its website.
The government did not pinpoint exactly who the perpetrators were, but vowed to avoid a repeat of such a case, which it said was against regulations in effect since 2001 banning late-term abortions.
Chinese web users have reacted in anger to the abortion, with one comparing it to acts perpetrated by "Japanese devils and Nazis", after photos online showed Feng lying on a hospital bed next to the blood-smeared body of her baby.
A relative told AFP on Wednesday that Feng and her husband had opposed the termination.
An official at the national family planning commission who declined to be named said earlier that the commission viewed the matter as "serious and important" and that the probe was being handled at the "top level".
China has implemented its draconian family planning policy since the late 1970s in an effort to control a population that has grown to 1.3 billion people, the world's largest.
Under the policy, urban families are generally allowed to have one child, while rural families can give birth to two children if the first is a girl. They have to pay a fine if they contravene the rules.
Rights groups say that as a result of the policy, thousands of women have been forced by authorities to terminate their pregnancies.
Blind activist Chen Guangcheng, who recently left China for the United States after fleeing house arrest, was once jailed after angering local officials for bringing to light hundreds of forced abortions.
Official statistics show that since the start of the policy, the number of abortions peaked in 1983, with a total of 14.37 million terminations that year.
The US said Monday it has expressed opposition to China's one-child policy after activists reported that a five-month-pregnant woman faces an imminent forced abortion in a separate case.
"We make no secret that the United States strongly oppose all aspects of China's coercive birth limitation policies, including forced abortion and sterilisation, and we always raise these issues with the Chinese government," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said.


Makes you wonder are we any better nowadays than we were in the Dark Ages, makes me weep.

that's awful

they could take a portion of income for the fine if they were that insistent :mad:

hardCopy

They should have voted No to Lisbon

hairyprincess

I read about this yesterday. It's sickening, absolutely sickening. I cannot believe our country is happy to do business with China, with this hub they are planning on in Athlone.

flutterflye

curlzy

hairyprincess wrote: »

I read about this yesterday. It's sickening, absolutely sickening. I cannot believe our country is happy to do business with China, with this hub they are planning on in Athlone.

I know, that child could have survived outside the womb at that stage, and it was wanted. What a sick world we live in, and sick country, so legally as a nation we're pro-life . . . unless you have money.

xsiborg

curlzy wrote: »

Chinese web users have reacted in anger to the abortion, with one comparing it to acts perpetrated by "Japanese devils and Nazis", after photos online showed Feng lying on a hospital bed next to the blood-smeared body of her baby.

wtf?

curlzy

xsiborg wrote: »

wtf?

People posted photos online, to highlight the issue I'm assuming.

slarkin123

This is the most disturbing thing I've read in a long long time.

frozenfrozen

This left-over sweet and sour chicken doesn't taste so good now

Sergeant

There has also been cases of this reported in Cuba, using the drug Rivanol for late-stage abortions. The child dies outside of the womb. It's pretty horrific.

conorhal

Sergeant wrote: »

There has also been cases of this reported in Cuba, using the drug Rivanol for late-stage abortions. The child dies outside of the womb. It's pretty horrific.

There have been reported cases in China of full term children going straight from the birth canal, head first into a bucket of water.

We shoud immediately abort any business relationship we have with China, starting with that Athlone farce, and send the message that we don't do business with sociopathic states.

I Heart Internet

China is a black-hole for human rights. That is a fact.

I had heard about the photos online about the aborted baby. Sometimes its images like this that can spark a people into action.

The human-rights activist who has now found asylum in the USA was speaking up on this very topic. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-19/chinese-human-rights-activist-chen-lands-at-newark-airport.html

up for anything

conorhal wrote: »

We shoud immediately abort any business relationship we have with China, starting with that Athlone farce, and send the message that we don't do business with sociopathic states.

You really think that could or would happen on the back of something that happens every day in that country. Enda (and anybody who ended up in power) is only too happy to kiss Chinese ass if it helps to get us out of our bit of trouble. There wasn't much of a murmur when he was wining and dining that Chinese chap a few months back.

I Heart Internet

conorhal wrote: »

There have been reported cases in China of full term children going from straight the birth canal, head first into a bucket of water.

Unfortunetly this type of thing has not been restricted to China http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intact_dilation_and_extraction

conorhal wrote: »

We shoud immediately abort any business relationship we have with China

Well that's the €64,000 question - do you shimmy them along, gradually with subtle pressure to change or kick them out of the family of nations until they stop such abuses?

mikom

A great bunch of abortionists.

conorhal

up for anything wrote: »

You really think that could or would happen on the back of something that happens every day in that country. Enda (and anybody who ended up in power) is only too happy to kiss Chinese ass if it helps to get us out of our bit of trouble. There wasn't much of a murmur when he was wining and dining that Chinese chap a few months back.

Your average consumer has more power then Enda Kenny. Just stop buying Chinese. It's hard to do I know, but not impossible, I started with checking the origin of the garlic I buy and stick to spanish garlic (the chinese stuff is tasteless muck anyway) and went from there. If it says 'manufactured in China', I put it back. And don't be afraid to say why your putting it back either.
Remember those brave Dunnes workers back in the 80's that refused to handle South African goods? Small pebbles can cause an avalanche....

Any key?

Lived in China for a while,they are under a scary strict regime not surprised reading this to be honest.Coldest nation I've ever come across.

DrumSteve

I saw the thread title and though the chinese had changed the name of one of their cities to that. Wouldn't like to holiday there.

christmas2012

they are really sick bastards to abort at 7 months,what a trauma,that is completely wrong..

barone

just seen the pic... wtf !! how could the mother basically pose for it jesus..

xsiborg

curlzy wrote: »

People posted photos online, to highlight the issue I'm assuming.

yes but to use a woman's tragedy in such a fashion as to have her pose in the bed and lay her aborted foetus beside her, that's just as fúcked up right there!

Gummy Panda

Sounds like something the Japanese did during Nanking Massacre. awful!

ixoy

Some of these calls for ceasing trade with China are over-the-top and would would primarily impact those Chinese (i.e. about a billion or so) who don't create Government policy.

I'd also ask: Would you have advised all other countries to cease trade with Ireland when we had the Magdalene laundries and all our other dark secrets too?

loveisdivine

Obviously I dont agree with the baby being terminated at 7 months.
But if you already have 1 child, and you know that there is a 1 child policy and that there can be horrible consequences if you break the policy, then why would you get pregnant for a second time? Fair enough it could have been an accident, but even then surely you would find the money for the fine somehow.

D1stant

conorhal wrote: »

Your average consumer has more power then Enda Kenny. Just stop buying Chinese.

What? And cancel Christmas?

conorhal

barone wrote: »

just seen the pic... wtf !! how could the mother basically pose for it jesus..

If it's the fact that the photo exists that you find upsetting rather then what was done to that woman, then I suggest that your priorities regarding that which offends you are WAY out of whack....

Giselle

barone wrote: »

just seen the pic... wtf !! how could the mother basically pose for it jesus..

Because she wants the world to know, so it doesn't happen to anyone else.

Very brave of her.

conorhal

Giselle wrote: »

Because she wants the world to know, so it doesn't happen to anyone else.

Very brave of her.

Especially considering what's likely to happen to her, people have 'disappeared' for less in China. As a state they really don't care for national embarrasment.

Dravokivich

I don't understand why people are calling for trade links with China to be cancelled, considering China have regulations against this practise put in place 11 years ago, copied from the article quoted in the OP:

"The government did not pinpoint exactly who the perpetrators were, but vowed to avoid a repeat of such a case, which it said was against regulations in effect since 2001 banning late-term abortions."

While the people involved were acting as officials, they were not acting according to their regulations. You can't blame the rest of China because of a small number of pricks.

krudler

ixoy wrote: »

Some of these calls for ceasing trade with China are over-the-top and would would primarily impact those Chinese (i.e. about a billion or so) who don't create Government policy.

I'd also ask: Would you have advised all other countries to cease trade with Ireland when we had the Magdalene laundries and all our other dark secrets too?

indeed, this country has an appalling human rights history, people in glass houses n all that

conorhal

Dravokivich wrote: »

I don't understand why people are calling for trade links with China to be cancelled, considering China have regulations against this practise put in place 11 years ago, copied from the article quoted in the OP:

"The government did not pinpoint exactly who the perpetrators were, but vowed to avoid a repeat of such a case, which it said was against regulations in effect since 2001 banning late-term abortions."

While the people involved were acting as officials, they were not acting according to their regulations. You can't blame the rest of China because of a small number of pricks.

If you believe that you'll believe anything. This is a state in which NOTHING happens without official sanction.
Those officials where merely embarrassingly caught. And as long as china is ruled by a small number of pricks I support a boycott. After all, it's not as if they have said that there is anything wrong with forcing a woman to have an abortion, just a late term abortion (and it's only wrong if you get caught doing so it would seem).

My name is URL

krudler wrote: »

indeed, this country has an appalling human rights history, people in glass houses n all that

What.. so just because our own history isn't perfect, we shouldn't have the right to criticise other countries for what's happening today?

This is the tip of the iceberg. Poorer Chinese people and the working classes are treated like sub-humans by their government.

conorhal

krudler wrote: »

indeed, this country has an appalling human rights history, people in glass houses n all that

In their glass house you'd dissapear simply for posting that. Get a grip :rolleyes:

Wibbs

Dravokivich wrote: »

I don't understand why people are calling for trade links with China to be cancelled, considering China have regulations against this practise put in place 11 years ago, copied from the article quoted in the OP:

"The government did not pinpoint exactly who the perpetrators were, but vowed to avoid a repeat of such a case, which it said was against regulations in effect since 2001 banning late-term abortions."

While the people involved were acting as officials, they were not acting according to their regulations. You can't blame the rest of China because of a small number of pricks.

That's the official line D, but late term abortions are very common especially in the hinterlands. It's been widely reported before. I read a good book (whose name sadly escapes) by a chap who traveled the country from east to west(and in the last few years too). He lived in China for years, spoke the language etc. He loves the country and the people and it comes across in his book, but he's equally not afraid to note the abuses and cultural oddness. One encounter he had was on a bus in countryside well away from the main cities where he met some district nurses who were quite open about the practice of terminating very late stage pregnancies. Saw it as their civic duty and it was clear it was sanctioned at least in that area. They were quite clear about it, until his obvious "WTF? :eek:" questions made them more reticent about the whole thing.

Last Friday my friend gave birth to a little boy who is doing very well.
She was 7 months pregnant.

It's so hard to believe such a barbaric act could be forced upon a person

eth0

Fucking communist savage bastards

Damokc

hairyprincess wrote: »

I read about this yesterday. It's sickening, absolutely sickening. I cannot believe our country is happy to do business with China, with this hub they are planning on in Athlone.

Don't worry, that will never happen anyway.:rolleyes:

Run_to_da_hills

This would be one of the dangers I could foresee if abortion was legalized in this country and the elite in Brussels or where ever copied China and ushered in similar blanket population control measures.

johnr1

It goes without saying that almost everyone here agrees that this is a disgusting barbaric practice.

On a wider note, I agree with the poster who recently posted that "The Chinese are rapidly becoming the scourge of the planet"

What with interference and financial colonialism in Africa, along with buying everything else in the world and lending money to western governments, the future doesn't auger well for the rest of us non-Chinese.

There are 1.3 billion of 'em and rising, they're going to need more natural resources and "living space" which if IIRC was the Nazi's 'reason' for invading surrounding countries. The current mining/housing boom in Austrailia is largely driven by Chinese demand for natural resources where they own two of the three largest mining corporations, controlling huge landbanks.

Thank fcuk we're on the other side of the world, - we might escape a little longer.

My name is URL

Any country that manufactures execution vans to make the process easier is dodgy in my book!

China executes more people every year than the rest of the world combined. 'Black jails' exist all over the country to detain people that have tried to speak out against or complain to the government. People are beaten and starved until they agree to stop making waves.

It's a hell hole. If some of the stuff that happens there was happening in smaller, poorer nations; the UN et al would be hitting them with sanctions and threats of intervention.

Wibbs

India will soon overtake them in population. No one seems so worried about them. There can be more than a touch of the "Oh God it's the yellow peril" on subjects and threads like this. Yes this example is fcuked up. A number of things things are fcuked up in their culture, however that's a very bloody small part of their culture.

Chinasea

It goes without saying that this indeed is Barbaric.

However, I 100% concur with the whole need for population control.

I think they are being responsible for checking their population growth and furthermore I think this is a serious matter that ALL countries including our own should be looking at.



In 1841 Ireland's population was a mere: 8,175,124. :eek:

My name is URL

Chinasea wrote: »

It goes without saying that this indeed is Barbaric.

However, I 100% concur with the whole need for population control.

I think they are being responsible for checking their population control and furthermore I think this is a serious matter that ALL countries including our own should be looking at.



In 1841 Ireland's population was a mere: 8,175,124. :eek:

Population control is a vile notion, regardless of the need for such a thing. Punishing people for being people is just inherently wrong. Education is the only sane way to deal with the issue of over-population.

Captain Graphite

My name is URL wrote: »

China executes more people every year than the rest of the world combined.

Yeah but that's not overly surprising when you consider how huge it's population is compared to other countries. Afaik Singapore and Iran both have higher execution rates rate per capita than China, although the most recent statistics I can find on Google are from 2008.

It's a hell hole.

It has an oppressive regime for sure but it's far from a hellhole for many of it's people. Somewhere like Somalia would be closer to a hellhole.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

This would be one of the dangers I could foresee if abortion was legalized in this country and the elite in Brussels or where ever copied China and ushered in similar blanket population control measures.

*facepalm* Yeah, 'cause overpopulation is a serious concern in the EU, isn't it?. Damn those super-fertile Germans, popping out kids like gumball machines.

Any key? wrote: »

Lived in China for a while,they are under a scary strict regime not surprised reading this to be honest.Coldest nation I've ever come across.

How many nations have you come across? Lived in China for four months and found the people in general to be very friendly and welcoming.

SdoowSirhc

eth0 wrote: »

Fucking communist savage bastards

Careful now.

Run_to_da_hills

This was no doubt only due to the international media attention that this has got.

"China apologises to pregnant woman forced to have abortion at seven months for breaching one-child policy and suspends three officials"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2159178/Feng-Jianmei-China-apologises-forced-abortion-child-policy-breach.html