Watts and average speed from your last race

d4r3n

Blatantly stolen from slowtwitch, not a pissing competition etc, can be used to see who has a good position, or comparing yourself to others on the same day/course since we're all in Ireland there will probably be a few people doing the same races.


1) Average watts (AP, NP)
2) Average speed (km/h)
3) Distance (km)
4) Rider weight (kg)
5) Describe bike and wheels
6) Misc notes, excuses
7) Optional: a picture (or link to a picture) of you in your aero position.

I'll start with my data from Athy

1) 157 AP, 165 NP
2) 29.3 km/h
3) 20 km
4) 61 kg
5) Standard road bike (Giant Defy), T2+ DL aerobars
6) First race using powermeter, OK'ish pacing. I didn't push enough (Pw:Hr -3.70%)

mloc123

Athy Sprint

1) 250NP, 246Avg
2) 35.8 (km/h)
3) 20 (km)
4) Fat (kg)
5) Tri bike, 60mm front, wheel cover rear
6) Pw:Hr -0.05 (Well paced, no HR drift)

tunney

1) 233NP, 224Avg
2) 36.0 (km/h)
3) 80 (km)
4) 78 (kg)
5) Tri bike, 404 front, Zipp 900 with fvcked bearings rear
6) Pw:Hr -2.37% (negative drift, no decoupling)

Rawhead

Athy Olympic

1)Don't have PM
2)35.2kmh
3)40km
4)83kgs
5)Felt B16 with stock wheels and tyres
6)Had trouble keeping HR above 155bpm

tunney

Rawhead wrote: »

Athy Olympic

1)Don't have PM
2)35.2kmh
3)40km
4)83kgs
5)Felt B16 with stock wheels and tyres
6)Had trouble keeping HR above 155bpm

Slightly pointless post. Sorta need a wattage figure to make this work!

elvis jones

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BennyMul

Athy Double

1. Avg 223 Np236
2. 35.0 (km/h)
3. 80 (km)
4. 75 (kg)
5. Old Giant Road bike with Tri bars, 60mm Rear wheel, 30mm front,
6. done on winter tyres.

Rawhead

tunney wrote: »

Slightly pointless post. Sorta need a wattage figure to make this work!

I didn't know that. Just wanted to be one of the gang.

I'll get me coat then........

tunney

Rawhead wrote: »

I didn't know that. Just wanted to be one of the gang.

I'll get me coat then........

I believe the idea was that people could look up what wattages gave people of similar weights speeds on what courses so they could predict performances. Doesn't necessarily work.

Its interesting to see what people are pumping out and what returns they get though.

peter kern

tunney wrote: »

I believe the idea was that people could look up what wattages gave people of similar weights speeds on what courses so they could predict performances. Doesn't necessarily work.

Its interesting to see what people are pumping out and what returns they get though.

to make this work it also needs to say how much drafting was done
and lets face it who is going to be honest... nobody i ever spoke to has drafted ....

BennyMul

What classifies as drafting, when catching others I did ride up behind them to within 2-3m and then move out and overtake,

however I did not sit on anyone's wheel, althought it was done to me.

tunney

BennyMul wrote: »

What classifies as drafting, when catching others I did ride up behind them to within 2-3m and then move out and overtake,

however I did not sit on anyone's wheel, althought it was done to me.

In Ironman races you'd be done for drafting, slingshotting not allowed in them.

peter kern

BennyMul wrote: »

What classifies as drafting, when catching others I did ride up behind them to within 2-3m and then move out and overtake,

however I did not sit on anyone's wheel, althought it was done to me.

what I am trying to say is if you want to find out about position and gear you all have to meet up one day have a proper protocol ( best on a track )
tests done in a race can not give a fair pic as there is too many variables.
of cours part of triathlon is positioning so after a proer test done you can then see who races the smartest ;-)

BennyMul

tunney wrote: »

In Ironman races you'd be done for drafting, slingshotting not allowed in them.

Thanks, I honestly was not aware of it. wont happen again.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

No race to go off as yet to complete one but at least it gives an idea of setup and power/pace ratio.

No drafting either unlike Tunney above who was clearly drafting in Athy with those numbers and pace;)

1) 229AP, 236NP
2) 34.9 km/h
3) 18.4 km
4) 68 kg
5) P2 with Zipp 404 front and 404 rear with disc cover
6) Not race pace merely testing disc cover. If i recall it was windy and i just had a big slice of pizza beforehand, i also had stabilisers on.
VI of 1.03

tunney

BennyMul wrote: »

Thanks, I honestly was not aware of it. wont happen again.

But its not drafting in Irish races. WTC rules are different. Its legit in ireland AFAIK

pgibbo

Kilkee 2012
1) 232NP, 226Avg
2) 32.5 (km/h)
3) 44 (km)
4) 70 (kg)
5) Tri bike, Felt TTR3 wheels
6) No idea how to determine this

Anyone provide pointers on working out number 6 - I'm referring to the cardiac drift that tunney mentioned in his entry

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

pgibbo wrote: »

Kilkee 2012
1) 232NP, 226Avg
2) 32.5 (km/h)
3) 44 (km)
4) 70 (kg)
5) Tri bike, Felt TTR3 wheels
6) No idea how to determine this

Anyone provide pointers on working out number 6 - I'm referring to the cardiac drift that tunney mentioned in his entry

Not sure GC determines cardiac drift or VI but WKO does if there is a trial version for you to upload it to.

BennyMul

hey Pgibbo

here is the link and below the formula, Some of the training software does this for you, personally I have a power tap and use their software; which does not calc this for you , so once the data is uploaded I open the pt file and export to excel which allows me to do the below calcuations,

hope this help,
http://home.trainingpeaks.com/articles/cycling/aerobic-endurance-and-decoupling,-by-joe-friel.aspx

1. Determine power-heart rate ratio for first half of ride: Power average = 180 watts, Heart rate average = 135 bpm. First half power-heart rate ratio = 1.33 (180 / 135)
2. Determine power-heart rate ratio for second half of ride: Power average = 178 watts, Heart rate average = 139 bpm. Second half power-heart rate ratio = 1.28 (178 / 139)
3. First half ratio minus second half ratio = 0.05 (1.33 - 1.28)
4. Remainder divided by the first half ratio = 0.038 (0.05 / 1.33) Decoupling rate is 3.8%

pgibbo

Cheers lads. I have a version of WKO at home so will load the file there. I've been struggling to find time to load to WKO lately and just use GC as I can do it at work.

mloc123

pgibbo wrote: »

Cheers lads. I have a version of WKO at home so will load the file there. I've been struggling to find time to load to WKO lately and just use GC as I can do it at work.

Same here, GC on Linux and WKO+ on Windows...

pgibbo

Would a table be a good idea for this thread to make it easier to compare numbers?

Have we anyone on the thread that's good with tables?

shotgunmcos

@pgibo... something like this?

Name|Race|Date|Power AP/NP|Avg Speed kmh|Distance kms|Weight kgs|Bike+Set up|Power:HR|Excuses :P|Link
D4r3n|Athy Sp|May|157 AP/165 NP|29.3 kmh|20km|61 kg| Giant Defy Roadie. T2+DL aerobars|-3.70%|First Tri|n/a

pgibbo

Perfect. Thx Mike! :cool:

pgibbo

Data from your last race

Name|Race|Watts| Avg kmh|Dist kms|Weight kgs|Set up|PW:HR|Excuses :P|Link
D4r3n|Athy Sp|157 AP/165 NP|29.3 kmh|20km|61 kg| Giant Defy Roadie. T2+DL aerobars|-3.70%|First Tri|n/a
pgibbo|HOTW OLY|220 AP/229 NP|32.5 kmh|44km|70 kg|Felt BII Pro Tri Bike wit TTR3 wheels|-5.33%|Old Age|here

WKO+ had different AP & NP so updating with those

d4r3n

1) 154 AP, 161 NP
2) 30.3 km/h
3) 20 km
4) 61 kg
5) Standard road bike (Giant Defy), T2+ DL aerobars
6) Headwind was savage, and didn't push enough when I had the tailwind at turnaround. The first 10km at 160w and 25.8 kph, second 10km at 147w and 34.8 kph

mloc123

Antwerp 70.3

1) 194NP, 191Avg
2) 34.9 (km/h)
3) 90 (km)
4) Fat (kg)
5) Tri bike, 60mm front, wheel cover rear
6) Pw:Hr x.xx

Beasty

As a lurking cyclist checking out your new forum (looks good by the way - hope not to come across any of you in the Dispute Resolution Forum;)), my stats from my last 40km TT (Batterstown course):

1. Ave 259w, NP 265w (been nearly 20w higher but 1.4kph slower with road bike + clip-ons)
2. 38.5kph
3. 40km
4. 84kg
5. Giant Trinity Alliance TT bike - 808 Firecrest on front, 900 on back
6. Picture is from last year (I've lost about 7-8kg since then)

d4r3n

1) 146 AP, 164 NP
2) 30.7 km/h
3) 19 km
4) 60 kg
5) Giant Trinity, DIY (taped up Ionos) aero helmet
6) First time on the new bike, position felt OK but not sure how aero I was, paced OK (141.5 AP for 31 kph first half, 149.5 AP for 30 kph second), didn't push enough (again!) as Pw:Hr -5.46%

pgibbo

pgibbo wrote: »

Kilkee 2012
1) 232NP, 226AP
2) 32.5 (km/h)
3) 44 (km)
4) 70 (kg)
5) B2 Pro, Felt TTR3 wheels
6) -5.33%

Loughrea 2012
1) 256NP, 249AP
2) 32.7 (km/h)
3) 19.5 (km)
4) 70 (kg)
5) B2 (aka The PussyWagon), SRAM S80 rear & Felt TTR3 front
6) -2.08%

Thanks to catweazle for a loan of his bike :cool:

Bambaata

Lost Sheep Middle Distance (Kenmare) 2012

1) 242AP, 266NP
2) 32.0 (km/h)
3) 78.92 (km)
4) About 79.7 (kg)
5) P2C, Zipp 404 front, 808 rear with wheelcover
6) HRM was acting up
7) No bike work in a month really killed me on this! Challenging course too with good climbing and a lot of poor surfaces!