Vehicles entering outer lane of roundabout

wandererz

What's the story with vehicles entering the outer lane of roundabouts, immediately next to you, when you're in the inner lane and preventing you from maneuvering into your exit.

Is this normal behaviour in Ireland or simply another case of "don't have a clue" ?

I thought that the person on the roundabout had the right of way...

hondasam

we might need a diagram to see what you are talking about.

cyrusdvirus

It depends. Let's say it's a roundabout with 4 exits. 1 at 9 o clock, 1 at 12, 1 at 3 and the last at 6 (ie opposite direction from your direction of travel) with 2 lanes on and off at each exit.

The outer lane should take either exit 1 (@ 9 o'clock) or lane 1 of exit 2 (@ 12 o'clock)

If you are in lane 2 you either take lane 2 if exit 2 or any of the other exits.

Berty

I think you're missing his point/description.

He is on the roundabout and a car joins him from a different exit( to the one he joined from ). He would be taking the next exit(after the exit the 2nd car joined from) but now cannot as there is a car on his left blocking him from exiting.

Not much you can do OP but slow down or speed up and cut the fecker up.

It happens quite a lot on the Newport Roundabout in Limerick because (1) It's massive and (2) there is always slow moving traffic at rush hour so you have to join up together.

cyrusdvirus

Beer Baron wrote: »

I think you're missing his point/description.

He is on the roundabout and a car joins him from a different exit( to the one he joined from ). He would be taking the next exit(after the exit the 2nd car joined from) but now cannot as there is a car on his left blocking him from exiting.

Not much you can do OP but slow down or speed up and cut the fecker up.

It happens quite a lot on the Newport Roundabout in Limerick because (1) It's massive and (2) there is always slow moving traffic at rush hour so you have to join up together.

Fair enough. But in that case it depends on the OP and his indicators. I indicate off a roundabout, but only indicate when I'm coming onto a roundabout if I'm passing 12 o'clock. If I'm taking exit 2 I start indicating after passing exit 1.

Atomic Pineapple

If there's a car on the roundabout then a car waiting to get onto it shouldn't enter at all, regardless of lane, at least thats my thoughts on the rules of the road.

Berty

draffodx wrote: »

If there's a car on the roundabout then a car waiting to get onto it shouldn't enter at all, regardless of lane, at least thats my thoughts on the rules of the road.

Unless its the Walkinstown roundabout because there are NO RULES!

wandererz

Image attached.
Green vehicle is already on inner lane of roundabout at that point when orange vehicle decides to enter roundabout.

cyrusdvirus

wandererz wrote: »

Image attached.
Green vehicle is already on inner lane of roundabout at that point when orange vehicle decides to enter roundabout.

How many lanes are at the roundabout exits? And what way are you indicating?

wandererz

gatecrash wrote: »

How many lanes are at the roundabout exits? And what way are you indicating?

Generally - one.
Indicating right at that point to take the 12o'clock exit.

With these idiots entering and sticking to the outer lane (and staying next to you) you're stuffed from exiting.

Seriously, have you folks not experienced this?

Atomic Pineapple

wandererz wrote: »

Image attached.
Green vehicle is already on inner lane of roundabout at that point when orange vehicle decides to enter roundabout.

I presume your exiting next lane as the green car? Orange car shouldn't enter roundabout at all. Blow them out of it!

cyrusdvirus

wandererz wrote: »

gatecrash wrote: »

How many lanes are at the roundabout exits? And what way are you indicating?

Generally - one.

Then he shouldn't have entered.

hondasam

wandererz wrote: »

Image attached.
Green vehicle is already on inner lane of roundabout at that point when orange vehicle decides to enter roundabout.

The orange car cannot enter until the green car passes unless there is two lanes coming off and the green car is exiting on the far lane which leaves the near exit lane clear for the orange car.
Does that make sense?

wandererz

Thanks. I thought i was going crazy recently as its been happening too much.
Needed to get the definitive on it !

Time to start using the horn then.

Perhaps it's dashcam time...

opti0nal

gatecrash wrote: »

Then he shouldn't have entered.

Other issue is the overtaking rules...shouldn't do it if it inconveniences or endangers anyone. So, darting into a roundabout and overtaking on the inside, preventing people from exiting breaks the overtaking rules.

Guy:Incognito

We had this discussion a few weeks ago and there was no shortage of posters that reckoned it is perfectly fine to enter the roundabout in a different lane to the one the person already on the roundabout is in and at that point you (the person that was already on the roundabout) then have to yield to them because you now have to cross their lane to exit.

I disagreed...........





My "favourite" roundabout situation is this one, at the Wellington road. Coming from the bottom (same the opposite way), from the Spawell an dleaveing at the exit straight on. Theres 2 lanes as you enter the roundabout and 1 as you leave at each exit.It's in the perfect cross shape with no different markings to standard so a perfect example of the rotr roundabout. I'd say 75% of the cars enter in the right hand lane and go straight. I enter in the left and stay folowing the course a line would take you. People are forever then losing the rag because they dont endertsand how a roundabout works. Of that 75%, over half of them then proceed to the next roundabout which is much smaller but exactly the same layout and then go in the left lane to go straight, yet dotn see anythign wrong:rolleyes:


https://maps.google.ie/maps?q=spawell&hl=en&ll=53.300223,-6.324504&spn=0.002908,0.007462&sll=53.344104,-6.267494&sspn=0.371809,0.955124&t=h&hq=spawell&z=18

Reg'stoy

Ah yes Irish drivers and roundabouts.......





The above roundabout on the Fonthill road is my personal favorite, my baby with a crayon lines have been placed on the road now. The left lane (which is a bus lane till about 50 meters before the roundabout) on the approach now has a left only arrow "except buses" on the road surface, while the right hand lane has a straight on arrow (there is only one exit lane). But as per normal with Irish drivers, you get the usual (my time is too important) driver who indicates left for the lenght of bus lane, while the rest of us obey the bus lane and right lane through the roundabout rule, low and behold Mr left indictor realises that he doesn't now need to go left but straight on; silly Mr Left Indicator you make the same mistake everyday too don't you.

Last week I was cutoff by Mr Left indicator, leaving me embarressingly stopped in the yellow box, he showed me one particular nail on his right hand when I sounded my horn.

BeerSteakBirds

wandererz wrote: »

What's the story with vehicles entering the outer lane of roundabouts, immediately next to you, when you're in the inner lane and preventing you from maneuvering into your exit.

Is this normal behaviour in Ireland or simply another case of "don't have a clue" ?

I thought that the person on the roundabout had the right of way...

It seems to be ''normal'' behaviour for a roundabout to be a bit of a jungle regardless of the rules of the road. It's all about maintaining control of the vehicle yet too many people already on a roundabout give up their control and seem to believe they have right of way regardless of who else is on the roundabout and regardless of how they entered it. I recently saw someone racing around a roundabout while holding a phone to his ear

opti0nal

BeerSteakBirds wrote: »

I recently saw someone racing around a roundabout while holding a phone to his ear

Here in Dublin, I frequently see people driving the wrong way round.

cyrusdvirus

opti0nal wrote: »

Here in Dublin, I frequently see people driving the wrong way round.

i'm 20 years driving and i've never seen that

cyrusdvirus

wandererz wrote: »

Generally - one.
Indicating right at that point to take the 12o'clock exit.

With these idiots entering and sticking to the outer lane (and staying next to you) you're stuffed from exiting.

Seriously, have you folks not experienced this?

you shouldn't have been indicating right though. You are indicating that you intend taking an exit AFTER 12 o'clock when you are indicating right on a roundabout.

Doesn't mean he was right to enter, but if it's a 2 lane roundabout, and you are indicating right it's easy to see where the other driver got confused.

Vicxas

So when you entering a 4 lane roundabout, if you are the left lane. You are entitled to exit on the 1st exit and the first lane of the second exit. Is that wrong or right?

cyrusdvirus

Vicxas wrote: »

So when you entering a 4 lane roundabout, if you are the left lane. You are entitled to exit on the 1st exit and the first lane of the second exit. Is that wrong or right?

Only if there are 2 lanes off the roundabout at exit 2.

If there are not 2 lanes off, or road markings indicate otherwise (as in reg'stoy's example), then you have to take exit 1

Davidth88

opti0nal wrote: »

Here in Dublin, I frequently see people driving the wrong way round.

I have encountered that on 3 occasions now .

healyon

Lots of people are clueless, ive seen plenty use the left lane when taking the 3rd exit just because there was a que in the right lane

Lando Griffin

Most bigger roundabouts should have traffic lights at them IMO.

Atomic Pineapple

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Most bigger roundabouts should have traffic lights at them IMO.

Why? Anyone with a full driving license should be easily capable of dealing with large roundabouts. If they aren't it's a failure of the education and testing of drivers and that should be looked at.

Davidth88

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Most bigger roundabouts should have traffic lights at them IMO.

totally disagree . By and large unless the flow of traffic is very uneven ( ie loads of through traffic ) then traffic lights destroy how roundabouts should work

Vico1612

http://www.rotr.ie/videos/roundabouts_70.mpg

the culture of deference

The celbridge - leixlip N4 junction is the perfect example.

BeerSteakBirds

opti0nal wrote: »

Here in Dublin, I frequently see people driving the wrong way round.

I never saw that yet. My first priority is to get off the roundabout safely especially as if theres an accident theres often no hard shoulder space to move out of the way into and it could get very messy.
The rule I kept in mind when driving abroad which also works here is the side of the road you are driving on should be the one you encounter first. So when driving clockwise here you always pass the left lane of an exit first. And when driving abroad you always pass the right lane of an exit first if approaching it from the legal direction. Keep it handy

BeerSteakBirds

Vico1612 wrote: »

http://www.rotr.ie/videos/roundabouts_70.mpg

I think they should have some more ''advanced'' videos and examples also in heavy traffic where all exits are in demand and all lanes are being used. Learners see examples and videos of situations where it's really easy to do the right thing but in their test and in real life they probably won't be facing empty roundabouts with no traffic and where theres nothing to learn about judging distances between vehicles. But once they see the easy example they then think they know it all...

wandererz

gatecrash wrote: »

you shouldn't have been indicating right though. You are indicating that you intend taking an exit AFTER 12 o'clock when you are indicating right on a roundabout.

Doesn't mean he was right to enter, but if it's a 2 lane roundabout, and you are indicating right it's easy to see where the other driver got confused.

You should be indicating right at the six o'clock position, until you are at or about midway past the 9 o'clock position at which time you start indicating left. Before you take the 12 o'clock exit.

That's the way i was taught in the UK, SA, Ireland and the USA. And i've taken driving tests in at least three of those countries over the years...

That being said, SA has signs saying "Keep Left, Pass Right".
Simple, yet effective.

Nothing to do with roundabouts mind you, but makes a difference on a motorway.

hondasam

wandererz wrote: »

You should be indicating right at the six o'clock position, until you are at or about midway past the 9 o'clock position at which time you start indicating left.

That's the way i was taught in the UK, SA, Ireland and the USA. And i've taken driving tests in at least three of those countries over the years..

No you should not indicate right if you are exiting before 12 o clock.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=indicators%20roundabout&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tams.act.gov.au%2F__data%2Fassets%2Fpdf_file%2F0009%2F14013%2Froundaboutrulesadvertisement.pdf&ei=ItzXT-mhFMSmhAf_ur3zAw&usg=AFQjCNFo9X9naEtQeP09MWaeFz8Hb-0tIw
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=indicators%20roundabout&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CGYQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tripadvisor.ie%2FTravel-g186591-c65340%2FIreland%3ANegotiating.Roundabouts.Turning.Circle..html&ei=ItzXT-mhFMSmhAf_ur3zAw&usg=AFQjCNG9WpxBqKwYTcKr72QtTZy3MuIt9Q

wandererz

hondasam wrote: »

No you should not indicate right if you are exiting before 12 o clock.

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=indicators%20roundabout&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tams.act.gov.au%2F__data%2Fassets%2Fpdf_file%2F0009%2F14013%2Froundaboutrulesadvertisement.pdf&ei=ItzXT-mhFMSmhAf_ur3zAw&usg=AFQjCNFo9X9naEtQeP09MWaeFz8Hb-0tIw

However, i am talking about exiting AT 12 o'clock, not before.

hondasam

wandererz wrote: »

However, i am talking about exiting AT 12 o'clock, not before.

Same rule for 12 o clock.

Left lane before or at 12, left indicator only.

wandererz

So, coming from the 3 o'clock position onto the roundabout, exiting at 12 o'clock, one should be in the left lane and using the left indicator only?

Are you serious?

hondasam

wandererz wrote: »

So, coming from the 3 o'clock position onto the roundabout, exiting at 12 o'clock, one should be in the left lane and using the left indicator only?

Are you serious?

I'm not sure I follow you there.

''You join the roundabout at six o'clock, and treat any exit up to (and including) 12 o'clock as either left or ahead, staying in the left lane. Exits past 12 o'clock are treated as right turns, so use the right lane (until you need to move over for your exit).

No matter how many exits, the "12 o'clock" rule normally applies.''

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=12%20o%20clock%20position%20on%20roundabout&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CFsQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bitingpoint.co.uk%2Froundabouts&ei=d-DXT-jUI4LOhAfI6om6Aw&usg=AFQjCNHavi-I0kVLXCOmEQ6Rc7vqJQyIKw

wandererz

hondasam wrote: »

I'm not sure I follow you there.

''You join the roundabout at six o'clock, and treat any exit up to (and including) 12 o'clock as either left or ahead, staying in the left lane. Exits past 12 o'clock are treated as right turns, so use the right lane (until you need to move over for your exit).

No matter how many exits, the "12 o'clock" rule normally applies.''

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=12%20o%20clock%20position%20on%20roundabout&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CFsQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bitingpoint.co.uk%2Froundabouts&ei=d-DXT-jUI4LOhAfI6om6Aw&usg=AFQjCNHavi-I0kVLXCOmEQ6Rc7vqJQyIKw

hmmm, probably need to read though the thread and look at the diagram provided.

hondasam

wandererz wrote: »

hmmm, probably need to read though the thread and look at the diagram provided.

I need to read the thread or you do?
You always join the roundabout at 6 o clock.

cyrusdvirus

wandererz wrote: »

You should be indicating right at the six o'clock position, until you are at or about midway past the 9 o'clock position at which time you start indicating left. Before you take the 12 o'clock exit.

That's the way i was taught in the UK, SA, Ireland and the USA. And i've taken driving tests in at least three of those countries over the years...

That being said, SA has signs saying "Keep Left, Pass Right".
Simple, yet effective.

Nothing to do with roundabouts mind you, but makes a difference on a motorway.

Did you pass any of them? Cos it appears that you have a issue with understanding indicating on a roundabout.