Any tips for f4 acca irish variant?

thecatburger

Hi, just wondering if anyone got any tips for the Irish variant of f4 at any course revision classes? Thanks

Dublim

Hey my lecturer told me for legal systems to focus on European convention of human rights. For employment they reckon it will be duties of an employer or an employee and also the tests used by the courts to determine if employee or self employed. Also there has not been an egency question in a while so maybe this also:D

eimearnid

Its such a pain in the neck of a subject. Am only starting it now after spending all my time on F7. Any other tips welcome!

frogstar

eimearnid wrote: »

Its such a pain in the neck of a subject. Am only starting it now after spending all my time on F7. Any other tips welcome!

My only advice is to know the past papers inside out. I spent most of my time doing that and got 80%

Past papers will get you through. Pretty much the same stuff comes up over and over

eimearnid

too late for me I think - this stuff just not going in - how are you supposed to remember any of the cases ffs. I give up!

frogstar

eimearnid wrote: »

too late for me I think - this stuff just not going in - how are you supposed to remember any of the cases ffs. I give up!

Don't write yourself off. You'd be amazed at what sticks in your head. I can say that now
since I finished my exams yesterday, for this session.

Re the cases, you don't need to know the names etc or dates, just the general details and out come. I'm sure opentuition has compiled all the relavant cases together.

Might be worth a look

Pauvre Con

It's easier and quicker to simply write a case name rather than go into a long spiel about its exact nature and outcome. You get a point simply for stating the name. To be honest I felt the same way until I sat down this weekend to look over my notes and realised I could actually remember a lot of the cases. I won't be able to use all of them of course but I'll probably be able to slip in at least 10 case names into the exam - in other words 10 easy marks!

Certain cases you must remember though - they will come up. i.e.

Donoghue v Stevenson
Hadley v Baxendale
Salomon v Salomon
Caparo v Dickman
Carlill v Carbolic Smoke Ball Co

And you'll definitely want to be sound in Contract law and Tort...

optimistic_

My understanding is that you are tested on the application of the law. So if you remember case names, you need only state the case name in brackets - so yes easy marks.
If you do not remember the case name, stating "in a previously decided case" and then giving details showing the application of the law in your description you will get the same marks. But getting a case name wrong, will not get you the marks or only half a mark etc.

Am I wrong?

Pauvre Con

Yes, a point for simply stating a relevant case name and to what aspect of the law it relates to e.g. there is a presumption that agreements between spouses are not legally binding (Balfour v Balfour). There's no need to expand any further. I guess there are instances where you will want to but generally I'd say not. And I don't think you get half marks either!

dermie1234

Anyone any last minute tips?

optimistic_

Dermie, I'm studying at the minute. Taking a five minute break.

I've spent a few months wallowing in notes. At the moment I am going through every past paper from December 2011 to June 2007 ( 10 papers in total). I'm giving a quick run through in my head of the answers I'd give and then comparing those to the ideal answers. Taking notes of cases, taking notes of any parts I left out.

This last few pages of notes is what I will be staring at in Croke Park tomorrow morning.

I've been through four different stages today - complacency thinking I know it all. Sheer and utter panic thinking I knew nothing and could not answer simple questions. And now, pragmatically assessing my potential scores in each question. I reckon I'll pass, but I'll be lucky too.

Anyway, my advice - hit the past papers, review the ideal answers. Take notes of items you've forgotten.

Then, go through them again. I'm pulling a late one tonight.

dermie1234

I think ill hit the sack and pul an early one. Im struggling big time.

optimistic_

As tempting as an early night would be I don't trust myself to do it in the morning.

I've employment law left to brush up on, and then i'm just going to see that i can do the majority of the problem questions for the past few years.

dermie1234

Howd you get on optimistic?

optimistic_

I'm always afraid to say in case the other person feels differently about it, but I couldn't have been happier if I put that paper together myself.

The rough guess that I would give myself question by question

Had some difficulty with questions 7 and 10. I would say I scraped pass marks in those two. The rest were comfortable passes, between 7 and 9 marks per question.

I would hope and think I scored up around late 70's, in reality I think I will get around 70%.

After F5 last week I felt I deserved that paper.

I hope the early rising helped you today? How do you feel about it?
I got to bed at 2, up again at 6 (hadn't covered Insider Trading and Money Laundering, by the time I sat down in the hall I could easily have written a couple of pages on each.

Surprisingly case names stuck with me, I only started to learn those yesterday. And thankfully two that stuck in my mind I could use. ICI v Shatter and Jones v Livox

optimistic_

Dublim wrote: »

Hey my lecturer told me for legal systems to focus on European convention of human rights. For employment they reckon it will be duties of an employer or an employee and also the tests used by the courts to determine if employee or self employed. Also there has not been an egency question in a while so maybe this also:D

This was a problem question, absolute gift of a question. I was almost giddy after I read the paper.
Luckily legal systems was precedent, I can pretty much rattle off the details or precedent in my sleep.

dermie1234

Yes it was ok. Made some silly mistakes. Like that question 10 I didnt realise he was a shadow director. Also the tort one I got mixed up on (I beleave) and not sure on part b of q7 and the tennor. Hopefully the rest will carry me over the line.