CP and Citizenship

TrudeauCuomo

Hi guys!

My 'non-national'* partner and I would like to live together here in Ireland. As I understand, he could come here on a three month visa, register at a garda station and stay, essentially as my dependant, until 5 years have passed and he could apply for citizenship.
For heterosexual couples, the 'non-national' would gain Irish citizenship upon marriage, thereby enabling them to work and granting them financial independence. If my partner and I were to be 'civilly partnered', would he be entitled to Irish citizenship?

Any help would be appreciated!! Also, feel free to send messages!!

Thank you!



*non-EU

BuffyBot

He wouldn't be entitled to citizenship straight away (no one gets that), but CP gives him the same right to apply to remain in Ireland (and later apply for citizenship) as a heterosexual marriage would

TrudeauCuomo

Thank you so much for your help! Is it really as it seems then - he could come as any other tourist, but stay in the country as long as he is registered at a garda station etc. ? Would we need anything else? And could we CP straight away? Oh, and would a Civil Partnership then allow him to work?
Thanks again!

Annasopra

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Civil%20Partnership

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/becoming_an_irish_citizen_through_marriage.html

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/rights_of_residence_in_ireland/residence_rights_eu_national.html

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/WP07000024

TrudeauCuomo

thanks for the links!!

foggy_lad

TrudeauCuomo wrote: »

Thank you so much for your help! Is it really as it seems then - he could come as any other tourist, but stay in the country as long as he is registered at a garda station etc. ? Would we need anything else? And could we CP straight away? Oh, and would a Civil Partnership then allow him to work?
Thanks again!

If he overstays as a tourist on a visa he can be removed at any time. and afaik the civil partrership would not permit anyone to work until granted citizenship.

azezil

mango salsa wrote: »

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Civil%20Partnership

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/becoming_an_irish_citizen_through_marriage.html

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/rights_of_residence_in_ireland/residence_rights_eu_national.html

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/WP07000024

Just reading some of those rules out of curiousity myself:

You must be married to or in a recognised civil partnership* with the Irish citizen for at least 3 years You must have had a period of 1 year's continuous reckonable residence - see below - in the island of Ireland immediately before the date of your application You must have been living on the island of Ireland for at least 2 of the 4 years before that year of continuous residence

First point, fair enough but the 2nd and 3rd point. So it looks like unless they qualify for a working VISA they can't stay in the country.

TrudeauCuomo

Really? From what I had read on a previous thread about moving here, one could enter the country legally, but within 90 days of arrival, register at a garda station, and if the Irish partner agrees to support the non Irish partner, the non Irish partner can have their passport stamped and be permitted to remain in Ireland, subject to reviews every few months.
It was my understanding that once marriage takes place, the non Irish partner could work -- and from the CP links, marriage and CP are treated equally re immigration.
But I really could be wrong. So any further clarification from anyone would be cool ty btw

TrudeauCuomo

azezil wrote: »

Just reading some of those rules out of curiousity myself:

You must be married to or in a recognised civil partnership* with the Irish citizen for at least 3 years You must have had a period of 1 year's continuous reckonable residence - see below - in the island of Ireland immediately before the date of your application You must have been living on the island of Ireland for at least 2 of the 4 years before that year of continuous residence

First point, fair enough but the 2nd and 3rd point. So it looks like unless they qualify for a working VISA they can't stay in the country.

Hi there!!

Yeah, I'm quite confused. If said parter arrived here (as he can for up to three months) but stayed, could we just have a CP. From their site, l can see nothing about visas, in the preliminaries bit anyway.

Annasopra

TrudeauCuomo wrote: »

Hi there!!

Yeah, I'm quite confused. If said parter arrived here (as he can for up to three months) but stayed, could we just have a CP. From their site, l can see nothing about visas, in the preliminaries bit anyway.

I think you should ask someone like GLEN or the citizens information centre

TrudeauCuomo

mango salsa wrote: »

I think you should ask someone like GLEN or the citizens information centre

Thanks. GLEN seems promising.

atkin

The Immigrant Council of Ireland for advice too.
You must marry the person in their own country for hetro.
Then you apply to bring them here.
Many countries do not allow same sex marriages.
The tourist visa specifically states that a person cannot stay longer than 3 months.
In Ireland you need to wait 3 months after your application for marriage or civil partnership.
In red writing it states you cannot use marriage and civil partnership to extend the stay.
A relationship must be proved to exist for 2 years also applies for de Facto relationships.
The INIS site in the link earlier refers to De Facto relationships for those already in Ireland for whatever reason.

Many tourist visa's do fail depends on if you have a job , bank account.The obligation of the person to return home.
To prove the relationship can be difficult . There seems to be a lot of luck involved.
I did read one couple sent in 50 photos of them together .



I know from first hand experience you were able to go and register with the Local immigration .You state that you will be responsible for that person and support them showing a bank account and you have a job.
I am not sure with changes how this applies now.You got a 3 month extension which is renewable.

I favour the use of a stamp 3 visa, just allows them to stay but not to work or welfare.
This applies to de facto relationships may be easier to get also.
I seem to be more at ease on this forum and thread.
Mention this on other forums seems to bring in abuse from hetros .

TrudeauCuomo

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atkin wrote: »

The Immigrant Council of Ireland for advice too.
You must marry the person in their own country for hetro.
Then you apply to bring them here.
Many countries do not allow same sex marriages.
The tourist visa specifically states that a person cannot stay longer than 3 months.
In Ireland you need to wait 3 months after your application for marriage or civil partnership.
In red writing it states you cannot use marriage and civil partnership to extend the stay.
A relationship must be proved to exist for 2 years also applies for de Facto relationships.
The INIS site in the link earlier refers to De Facto relationships for those already in Ireland for whatever reason.

Many tourist visa's do fail depends on if you have a job , bank account.The obligation of the person to return home.
To prove the relationship can be difficult . There seems to be a lot of luck involved.
I did read one couple sent in 50 photos of them together .



I know from first hand experience you were able to go and register with the Local immigration .You state that you will be responsible for that person and support them showing a bank account and you have a job.
I am not sure with changes how thisapplies now.You got a 3 month extension which is renewable.

I favour the use of a stamp 3 visa, just allows them to stay but not to work or welfare.
This applies to de facto relationships may be easier to get also.
I seem to be more at ease on this forum and thread.
Mention this on other forums seems to bring in abuse from hetros .