The Secret 84X Change.

The_Wrecker

Many are probadly not aware, until you get left behind! The 84X no longer serves Dolier st or Nassau st. The new terminus being at Grafton st RTE11 stop.

Heres the catch. As no info in the depot for their staff ~ some lads are doing the old stops and sailing past the Grafton st stop.

LXFlyer

I can't comment on the depot, but it was hardly a public secret - it was in all the public notices and on the website.

It's an effort to keep 46a/145 customers from the city centre off the 84x. The 84x doesn't share any stop with those routes until Leeson Street now.

Cookie_Monster

lxflyer wrote: »

It's an effort to keep 46a/145 customers from the city centre off the 84x.

is that not the point of the minimum fare? Seems like they're just inconveniencing more customers...

KD345

The_Wrecker wrote: »

Many are probadly not aware, until you get left behind! The 84X no longer serves Dolier st or Nassau st. The new terminus being at Grafton st RTE11 stop.

Heres the catch. As no info in the depot for their staff ~ some lads are doing the old stops and sailing past the Grafton st stop.

It's hardly a secret, it was announced online and mentioned in leaflets. The new stop at Trinity College also displays 84X.

The 84x doesn't share any stop with those routes until Leeson Street now.

While not the same stop, the 84X still serves Kildare Street, right next to the stop for the 46A/145.

LXFlyer

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

is that not the point of the minimum fare? Seems like they're just inconveniencing more customers...

How can you enforce a minimum fare given the numbers of people using passes?

Cookie_Monster

lxflyer wrote: »

How can you enforce a minimum fare given the numbers of people using passes?

I dunno, disallow them on all X buses since they are a premium service?, ban them at rush hour again (not DBs remit though)?

LXFlyer

I don't think that would be a very fair or practical solution.

Changing the stops really is the most sensible option.

mydiscworld

lxflyer wrote: »

I can't comment on the depot, but it was hardly a public secret - it was in all the public notices and on the website.

It's an effort to keep 46a/145 customers from the city centre off the 84x. The 84x doesn't share any stop with those routes until Leeson Street now.

I just don't get this. I find it really handy to get the 84X if it comes. But I'd never wait especially for it.

If it's a busy, popular service then put more 84X buses on. Don't penalise the people living closer to town who wanna save 5/10 mins each way.

I get it from UCD to Dawson. That stop is still there btw.

I'd get on at Nassua outta town. Are you now saying it no longer stops on Nassau on routa outta town?

LXFlyer

The reason for the change is that people south of Bray have no alternative route. You do - the 39a, 46a and 145.

It's protecting seats for those passengers who I think in this case are more important than you?

It no longer serves Nassau Street.

KD345

mydiscworld wrote: »

I'd get on at Nassua outta town. Are you now saying it no longer stops on Nassau on routa outta town?

The inbound stops remain the same, heading outbound, it leaves Lower Grafton Street (stop 401) and the next stop is Kildare Street.

It's an odd move, as it did offer an alternative service to those in Stiilorgan and Loughlinstown. I thought it had moved because of lack of space at that particular stop. It would be strange if Dublin Bus removed a service from a bus stop because too many passengers were using it!

LXFlyer

Nothing to do with space at all. It was to do with capacity. I would imagine part of the problem is the re-routing of the 84 away from UCD and they are trying to ensure enough capacity on the 84x for students heading south from UCD.

I have come across this elsewhere.

The_Wrecker

lxflyer wrote: »

Nothing to do with space at all. It was to do with capacity. I would imagine part of the problem is the re-routing of the 84 away from UCD and they are trying to ensure enough capacity on the 84x for students heading south from UCD.

I have come across this elsewhere.

Theres also 2 extra 84X's slotted in at UCD outbound ~ not timetabled. I think 17/1730 but i need to double check.

mydiscworld

News on it is here

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/General-News/Changes-to-Routes-45-45a-84-and-84x/

And new timetable is here

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/Your-Journey1/Timetables/All-Timetables/84x1/

schemingbohemia

mydiscworld wrote: »

I just don't get this. I find it really handy to get the 84X if it comes. But I'd never wait especially for it.

If it's a busy, popular service then put more 84X buses on. Don't penalise the people living closer to town who wanna save 5/10 mins each way.

I get it from UCD to Dawson. That stop is still there btw.

I'd get on at Nassua outta town. Are you now saying it no longer stops on Nassau on routa outta town?

On a similar point I feel sorry for some of those who rely on the 145 (ie getting off beyond Foxrock church) when it sails past full of people who could easily get a 46a.

I struggled to figure out the X element of the 84x, which stops does it actually avoid?

When the 7d of which there is a grand total of 1 service outbound in the evening is served by a single decker it gets particularly annoying when you see it jammed with people getting off in donnybrook!

Though as lxflyer says with leap cards and travel passes it's virtually impossible to police.

It used to wreck my head when I got a 15x and the driver would still let people off in Rathmines even though he had told them he wouldn't be stopping there.

LXFlyer

Either way the city centre stop change was designed to ensure North Wicklow users could avail of the service having no alternative service from the city centre.

LXFlyer

The 84x now does not share the same stop as the 46a/145 until Lower Leeson St.

It no longer serves the 46a stops on D'Olier Street and Nassau Street, and has never served the 46a stops on Kildare Street or St Stephen's Green East.

It serves the 11 stop on Grafton Street and the 14/15 stops on Kildare Street and St Stephen's Green East.

The other stops that it serves are listed on the link above.

AlekSmart

schemingbohemia wrote: »

I struggled to figure out the X element of the 84x, which stops does it actually avoid?

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Scheminbohemia,you're not alone in that....The 84X remains mute testimony to Dublin Bus's incredible long-standing inability to understand the meaning of EXPRESS or Limited-Stop as applied to Bus Services.

The 84X had and still has the capibility to operate full seated loads from and to the Greystones/Kilcoole catchment area.

It has had this potential from Day 1 and still has if some manager could be found with enough savvy,application and interest to take the damn route and market it to those who actually would benefit from its capabilities.

Instead,what should have been a tightly focused specific Express has been diluted into a mixum gatherum of 45/46A/145 and whatever other stops could be found for it to dally at.

Full Load from Lord Meaths to City Centre with VERY few stops in-between...It would sell out,if twere marketed correctly !!!