Handicap increase for a player returning from injury?

Howjoe1

Following on from the thread:

" EXCEPTIONAL SCORING HANDICAP REDUCTION"

has anyone come across a situation of a member being awarded shots back having returned to play after an injury?

I remember it happening a few yrs back at my club. A member who was playing off a single figure handicap returned from a yr off after an injury caused to his arm from a work related knife injury.

He was given several shots back on his handicap. The injury left no permanent disability. I remember playing along side him in a competition off his "new" handicap and him making around 40pts very easily.

Is such an adjustment allowed officially under GUI rules?

FANTAPANTS

Howjoe1 wrote: »

Following on from the thread:

" EXCEPTIONAL SCORING HANDICAP REDUCTION"

has anyone come across a situation of a member being awarded shots back having returned to play after an injury?

I remember it happening a few yrs back at my club. A member who was playing off a single figure handicap returned from a yr off after an injury caused to his arm from a work related knife injury.

He was given several shots back on his handicap. The injury left no permanent disability. I remember playing along side him in a competition off his "new" handicap and him making around 40pts very easily.

Is such an adjustment allowed officially under GUI rules?

i would say its up to club commitee to decide that and get in contact with GUI if its possible

Howjoe1

btw ..the player in question was part of the clique..commitee etc etc:rolleyes:

PhilipMarlowe

If you continue to be a member, then your handicap remains and you could only get an increase with special permission or at annual review time (which has also to be approved in practice).
If the guy in question let his handicap lapse for more than 6 months and then re-joined a club, he would have had to submit 3 cards to get a "new" handicap because the old one is no longer transferable. Consideration would (should) be given to previous ability when issuing the new handicap.

PhilipMarlowe

btw ..have you ever volunteered your time to go on committee?

FANTAPANTS

so he was in the click with the committe that sounds a bit fishy what handicap increase did they give him?

Howjoe1

PhilipMarlowe wrote: »

If you continue to be a member, then your handicap remains and you could only get an increase with special permission or at annual review time (which has also to be approved in practice).
If the guy in question let his handicap lapse for more than 6 months and then re-joined a club, he would have had to submit 3 cards to get a "new" handicap because the old one is no longer transferable. Consideration would (should) be given to previous ability when issuing the new handicap.

that sounds reasonably.

In the case in question it appeared to me that the shots given back were generous to say the least, given his level of play in competitions the year in question (close to winning Captain's Prize etc).

But bottom line appears to be that a club can do this?

FANTAPANTS

PhilipMarlowe wrote: »

btw ..have you ever volunteered your time to go on committee?

im competion sec at the min 2nd year playing golf and it takes alot of effort but if he is well able to bust 40 points and he is just back i think his handicap is totally wrong their

Russman

I received two shots back after injury in 2009. I was off 3 and got injured, missed basically three and a half seasons, half of '06, and more or less all of '07, '08 & '09 (played a few games but not properly). I had two surgeries on my hip and groin, drifted out to 5 through getting 0.1s and at the end of 2009 got a letter telling me I was getting 2 shots back (from 5 to 7) saying the GUI had approved it. So its definitely possible.

I should also say I didn't know anything about getting the shots back and didn't lobby anyone, it was completely out of the blue.

Mind you it hasn't helped, I'm nearly out to 10 now !! The shame of it :eek:

Rikand

Russman wrote: »

I received two shots back after injury in 2009. I was off 3 and got injured, missed basically three and a half seasons, half of '06, and more or less all of '07, '08 & '09 (played a few games but not properly). I had two surgeries on my hip and groin, drifted out to 5 through getting 0.1s and at the end of 2009 got a letter telling me I was getting 2 shots back (from 5 to 7) saying the GUI had approved it. So its definitely possible.

I should also say I didn't know anything about getting the shots back and didn't lobby anyone, it was completely out of the blue.

Mind you it hasn't helped, I'm nearly out to 10 now !! The shame of it :eek:

not sure if its still the same, but a few years ago when you were category 1, the GUI were effectively the keeper of your handicap. So based on the scores you were bringing in, they probably conducted the increase.

Howjoe1

PhilipMarlowe wrote: »

btw ..have you ever volunteered your time to go on committee?

I was only trying to establish if it was possible to apply an increase in such circumstances (not start a new thread about bandits etc) and thanks for the replies that have clarified the rule.

I wasn't trying to knock the tireless work some committee members do for free. I considered in the past volunteering but my work at the time involved a 35 mile commute from home and the club for 5 days a week(and some Saturdays) so it wasn't feasible for me to devote the time that would be required.

I did put my name forward to get involve in the club's inter club comps once. I was striking the ball well that year and played an open practice round but the selections came down to to choosing all the same players that had been playing for years!

Back to the original post, someone asked how many shots he got back. I recall it being 5 shots.

Btw ..I almost forgot, that subsequent to this, I had a year off myself with a shoulder op and surgery. But returned and played off my old handicap. It sounds from your comment that I should have had to submit 3 new cards and been re-assessed? which never happened. But, I'm happy to struggle on my old handicap and rarely break 30 pts these days.

Russman

Would you have had to submit 3 new cards if you stayed a member though ?

PhilipMarlowe

If you stay being a member (paying your sub) then your handicap continues even though you may not be actually playing the game at all. If you rejoin within 6 months of ceasing to be a member, then your old handicap can be reactivated/transferred. However, if it's outside of that then your old handicap is dead and you must get a new one. As part of getting a new handicap, you submit 3 cards and these are analysed along with any other information such as a previous ability/handicap. If it were me awarding a "new" handicap, I'd be reluctant to grant one much different than a player's previous (recently held) handicap unless there was a serious reason for a decline in ability.

It's possible that you could seek an adjustment after surgery but it's not a given that you'd be granted an increase.

At annual review time, a handicap committee will suggest their recommendation for increases and these get sent to the GUI branch for approval (or not). The more competitions you have on your record where you are under-performing (without any good days) then the easier it is to see that an adjustment may be necessary as against someone who is off of X handicap and never plays in competition and they are looking for 2 shots back :rolleyes:
Under-performing players actually get flagged up by a software report at year end which can form the basis of annual reviews.

PhilipMarlowe

Also in your own case, was it as a leave of absence where you were given a year out from your membership and resumed 'as you were'?

Mister Sifter

FANTAPANTS wrote: »

im competion sec at the min 2nd year playing golf and it takes alot of effort but if he is well able to bust 40 points and he is just back i think his handicap is totally wrong their

Hang on, you're playing the game only 2 years and you got handed the handicap secretary position?

charlieIRL

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Hang on, you're playing the game only 2 years and you got handed the handicap secretary position?

From the original post its says competition secretary, you even quoted it!

FANTAPANTS

yeah your right lol

FANTAPANTS

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Hang on, you're playing the game only 2 years and you got handed the handicap secretary position?

read it again it says comp secretary!!!!!

Mister Sifter

charlieIRL wrote: »

From the original post its says competition secretary, you even quoted it!

Regardless, that's crazy.

Russman

A lot of clubs struggle to get volunteers for positions like that, maybe the Op was the only option - no offence intended Op.

It could be U

I was Handicap Secretary at our club a few years ago and applied for handicap increases for 2 players so it is possible. The increases are given by your provincial branch.

1 you should discuss with your club handicap secretary/make your case
2. he will check your playing records since your injury/op. the big check is to see if at anytime since your injury/op you recorded A score within your BUFFER zone. If you didnt you'll have a good case.
3. if he agrees the matter is brought to your local mens committee
4. if appoved you should furnish your handicap sec with medical records from your injury/op
5. Handicap sec will write to provincial branch in advance of their next meeting(could be a few months away) seeking the increase and recommending the amount. He will also provide your recent playing records and copies of yuor medical records to help with your case.
6. If you are approved (which you should be because your local committee know best) by your provicial branch your increase will be applied locally by your hanidcap secretary.