I'm freaking out

orriray59

Well basically, the dreaded Junior Certificate is tomorrow. Uh, I did very little work in the three years. I was a slacker and now I realize the error of my ways.
I did a bit of study in the weeks after the mocks up to the end of the Summer Holidays. Looked over History, Geography, a tiny amount of Irish and an even smaller fraction of Business.

I'm doing Honors English, Science, History and Geography. Ordinary for the rest and obviously Common level for CSPE.

Same levels for the mocks and, truth be told, I did absolutely horrendously. I just can't remember a bloody thing. I passed everything but it was all Ds and Cs. I got very close to an A in Technology, but pass Tech is quite possibly the easiest thing I've ever done in secondary school. My physical project (toothbrush holder) ended up unsatisfactory. Like pretty terrible, basically.

I'm worried because yet again I still don't know ANYTHING about science. I'm good enough in physics, but when it comes to biology and chemistry my answers are monstrosities. They're laughable.
I'm useless at accounting also, again because stupid me never payed attention.

I'm just worried that I'm going to do bad. I got 39.5% in Pass Irish, which was rounded up to 40% Lucky, lucky, lucky!

I'm also worried because I'm doing chemistry for the Leaving Certificate but I know absolutely nothing. I'm not exaggerating, I got a grand total of 16 marks for it out of a total of 130 for chemistry in the mocks. :rolleyes:

So, here's my questions.
1: Am I screwed for the Junior?
2: Is chemistry in 5th and 6th years a continuation of chemistry from the Junior Certificate years? Will I do good even though I did horribly in the Junior?

Thanks in advance!

BKC

There is still time to put in the work and improve your Junior Cert results. Do a good amount of study from now until the end of the Junior Cert and you'll get better results.

As for your second question, I don't do Chemistry, but regardless of how well you do for the Junior Cert, how well you do in Leaving Cert chemistry will be determined by the effort you put in over the next two years. The Leaving Cert is a whole different ball game.

One last thing, you'll do better than you think. The examiners do their best to give you marks. I know I certainly did a lot better than I had expected and most of my friends did too.

Good luck. Believe in yourself and your ability.

~BKC~

orriray59

BKC wrote: »

There is still time to put in the work and improve your Junior Cert results. Do a good amount of study from now until the end of the Junior Cert and you'll get better results.

As for your second question, I don't do Chemistry, but regardless of how well you do for the Junior Cert, how well you do in Leaving Cert chemistry will be determined by the effort you put in over the next two years. The Leaving Cert is a whole different ball game.

One last thing, you'll do better than you think. The examiners do their best to give you marks. I know I certainly did a lot better than I had expected and most of my friends did too.

Good luck. Believe in yourself and your ability.

~BKC~

Thank you very much for the kind words. :pac:

When you said that the LC is a whole different ball game, did you mean in terms of difficulty or by the fact you're learning a completely different set of stuff?

decisions

1. Relax, the JC is not the be all and end all of everything.

For business I would do papers questions, check all of your answers to the marking schemes . Choose the questions you are best at and focus on them, if you are rubbish at accounting you can almost totally avoid it.

For science again marking schemes, marking schemes, marking schemes.

I don't do chemistry but AFAIK you need the basics from the JC.

Most of all good Luck.

BKC

orriray59 wrote: »

Thank you very much for the kind words. :pac:

When you said that the LC is a whole different ball game, did you mean in terms of difficulty or by the fact you're learning a completely different set of stuff?

For the Leaving Cert you have to put in a lot of effort to do well. For the Junior Cert, some people can get by and do very well without needing to do much study as the material isn't very hard and exams are designed for you to do well.

Enough about the Leaving Cert, go concentrate on your Junior Cert for the next two weeks.

~BKC~

orriray59

decisions wrote: »

1. Relax, the JC is not the be all and end all of everything.

For business I would do papers questions, check all of your answers to the marking schemes . Choose the questions you are best at and focus on them, if you are rubbish at accounting you can almost totally avoid it.

For science again marking schemes, marking schemes, marking schemes.

I don't do chemistry but AFAIK you need the basics from the JC.

Most of all good Luck.

I acknowledge that the Junior isn't the be-all end-all, but at the same time when I get bad results I get depressed for weeks afterwards. I did bad in the mocks and I literally got depressed for about three weeks. Needless to say the Junior will have a more devastating affect on me if I mess up.

As far as chemistry goes, I guess I'm screwed if you need to know the basics from the junior certificate years, because I DO NOT know them.

orriray59

BKC wrote: »

For the Leaving Cert you have to put in a lot of effort to do well. For the Junior Cert, some people can get by and do very well without needing to do much study as the material isn't very hard and exams are designed for you to do well.

Enough about the Leaving Cert, go concentrate on your Junior Cert for the next two weeks.

~BKC~

Oh, okay. I'll probably be studying from day one in the Leaving Cert years anyway. And I'll definitely work in class. No time for slacking these days, boys! :cool:

FutureGuy

orriray59 wrote: »

Well basically, the dreaded Junior Certificate is tomorrow. Uh, I did very little work in the three years. I was a slacker and now I realize the error of my ways.
I did a bit of study in the weeks after the mocks up to the end of the Summer Holidays. Looked over History, Geography, a tiny amount of Irish and an even smaller fraction of Business.

I'm doing Honors English, Science, History and Geography. Ordinary for the rest and obviously Common level for CSPE.

Same levels for the mocks and, truth be told, I did absolutely horrendously. I just can't remember a bloody thing. I passed everything but it was all Ds and Cs. I got very close to an A in Technology, but pass Tech is quite possibly the easiest thing I've ever done in secondary school. My physical project (toothbrush holder) ended up unsatisfactory. Like pretty terrible, basically.

I'm worried because yet again I still don't know ANYTHING about science. I'm good enough in physics, but when it comes to biology and chemistry my answers are monstrosities. They're laughable.
I'm useless at accounting also, again because stupid me never payed attention.

I'm just worried that I'm going to do bad. I got 39.5% in Pass Irish, which was rounded up to 40% Lucky, lucky, lucky!

I'm also worried because I'm doing chemistry for the Leaving Certificate but I know absolutely nothing. I'm not exaggerating, I got a grand total of 16 marks for it out of a total of 130 for chemistry in the mocks. :rolleyes:

So, here's my questions.
1: Am I screwed for the Junior?
2: Is chemistry in 5th and 6th years a continuation of chemistry from the Junior Certificate years? Will I do good even though I did horribly in the Junior?

Thanks in advance!

If you are truely honest about what I have highlighed in bold then read on.

You're not screwed but you have very little time. It is possible, but you have to be completely and utterly focused on the Junior Cert and nothing more.

Lock up the xbox/ps3, turn off the phone and clear out a space where you have a clutter-free desk and table. Get a light.

Whatever you have tomorrow, study that. Study in 45 minute bursts with a 10-minute break. Revise everything after you do 3 x 45 min blocks. Repeat this cycle.

Eat well and get a good nights sleep. Sleep helps cement it all in the head. Get up early and reread everything again. You forget 80% of what you learned in 24 hours if you don't reread. I feel English is a good exam for you to start with and I get the feeling you like it. Have confidence in yourself and show the examiner that you know the poem/book/play etc. For a young person, you have very good written english.

It's going to be hard, but I know you can do it. Once English is out of the way, just keep it going. Work hard for the next few weeks and you can look forward to the results September.

The best thing about the Junior Cert is the experience you get in big exam situations. I did honors Chemistry for the LC years ago and I can say that the JC Science course gives you a solid start. However, your LC result will be determined on your work in 5th and 6th year, not your JC Science result.

I cannot tell you how important it is that you realise the situation you are in today. Reread what I have highlighted in bold. You haven't worked and now you are really nervous.

Imagine being like this in 2 years time before the Leaving Cert? You do not want to be in that situation.

Work your fecking arse off for the next 2 weeks, do your best and realise that 5th year is a clean slate.

Best of luck, post here if you need to talk, I'll keep an eye out for your posts.

Bazinga_N

orriray59 wrote: »

Well basically, the dreaded Junior Certificate is tomorrow. Uh, I did very little work in the three years. I was a slacker and now I realize the error of my ways.
I did a bit of study in the weeks after the mocks up to the end of the Summer Holidays. Looked over History, Geography, a tiny amount of Irish and an even smaller fraction of Business.

I'm doing Honors English, Science, History and Geography. Ordinary for the rest and obviously Common level for CSPE.

Same levels for the mocks and, truth be told, I did absolutely horrendously. I just can't remember a bloody thing. I passed everything but it was all Ds and Cs. I got very close to an A in Technology, but pass Tech is quite possibly the easiest thing I've ever done in secondary school. My physical project (toothbrush holder) ended up unsatisfactory. Like pretty terrible, basically.

I'm worried because yet again I still don't know ANYTHING about science. I'm good enough in physics, but when it comes to biology and chemistry my answers are monstrosities. They're laughable.
I'm useless at accounting also, again because stupid me never payed attention.

I'm just worried that I'm going to do bad. I got 39.5% in Pass Irish, which was rounded up to 40% Lucky, lucky, lucky!

I'm also worried because I'm doing chemistry for the Leaving Certificate but I know absolutely nothing. I'm not exaggerating, I got a grand total of 16 marks for it out of a total of 130 for chemistry in the mocks. :rolleyes:

So, here's my questions.
1: Am I screwed for the Junior?
2: Is chemistry in 5th and 6th years a continuation of chemistry from the Junior Certificate years? Will I do good even though I did horribly in the Junior?

Thanks in advance!

Q.1. Chill out and relax, you'll do much better than you think, it's how the JC is designed. My advice right now would be to look over the syllabus, marking schemes, exam paper and your notes. You'd be surprised with exactly how much you know.

Q.2. No, you don't really have to know JC Chemistry to do LC Chemistry, but it does help to give you an understanding. I'm not sure exactly where the course starts of but this is what our Science teacher told us.

decisions

Look, I totally get where you are coming from (I failed my english mock 2 years ago). But right now you have maybe 5 hours you could study during before the JC begins (a good nights sleep is essential).

How are you feeling about english? Do you know your Poetry and your Fiction and Drama. If you are ok with that, spend a few min going over it, if not then get your key points for each together andstudy them. Then practice a short story or a comp.

orriray59

FutureGuy wrote: »

If you are truely honest about what I have highlighed in bold then read on.

You're not screwed but you have very little time. It is possible, but you have to be completely and utterly focused on the Junior Cert and nothing more.

Lock up the xbox/ps3, turn off the phone and clear out a space where you have a clutter-free desk and table. Get a light.

Whatever you have tomorrow, study that. Study in 45 minute bursts with a 10-minute break. Revise everything after you do 3 x 45 min blocks. Repeat this cycle.

Eat well and get a good nights sleep. Sleep helps cement it all in the head. Get up early and reread everything again. You forget 80% of what you learned in 24 hours if you don't reread. I feel English is a good exam for you to start with and I get the feeling you like it. Have confidence in yourself and show the examiner that you know the poem/book/play etc. For a young person, you have very good written english.

It's going to be hard, but I know you can do it. Once English is out of the way, just keep it going. Work hard for the next few weeks and you can look forward to the results September.

The best thing about the Junior Cert is the experience you get in big exam situations. I did honors Chemistry for the LC years ago and I can say that the JC Science course gives you a solid start. However, your LC result will be determined on your work in 5th and 6th year, not your JC Science result.

I cannot tell you how important it is that you realise the situation you are in today. Reread what I have highlighted in bold. You haven't worked and now you are really nervous.

Imagine being like this in 2 years time before the Leaving Cert? You do not want to be in that situation.

Work your fecking arse off for the next 2 weeks, do your best and realise that 5th year is a clean slate.

Best of luck, post here if you need to talk, I'll keep an eye out for your posts.

Thanks very much for the advice!

Yeah, I enjoy English a lot. I've always found it pretty easy. I'm totally confident that I can get a C1 or a B3 and up in the Junior for it.
So, I study in 45 minute bursts with a 10 minute break, do that three times, then re-read? Sounds good, I'll start imminently tomorrow.

I don't feel the need to study English. I'm good at it and have watched the Merchant of Venice many times, read the play many times, read To Kill a Mockingbird, seen the movie many times to remind myself of the general story, etc.
I'll learn off stuff for a postcard tomorrow, among other things in Irish and that's that done. Then Geography. History. Business. Science.

orriray59

decisions wrote: »

Look, I totally get where you are coming from (I failed my english mock 2 years ago). But right now you have maybe 5 hours you could study during before the JC begins (a good nights sleep is essential).

How are you feeling about english? Do you know your Poetry and your Fiction and Drama. If you are ok with that, spend a few min going over it, if not then get your key points for each together andstudy them. Then practice a short story or a comp.

I've got everything down in English barring studied Poetry, but I have one poem learned well that always comes in handy, I feel. "The Listeners" by Walter de la Mare. I need to learn a war poem and a love poem. Easy enough.

The One Who Knocks

orriray59 wrote: »

Oh, okay. I'll probably be studying from day one in the Leaving Cert years anyway. And I'll definitely work in class. No time for slacking these days, boys! :cool:

Yeah honestly, paying attention in class & doing homework is the "key"
(even the mods will back me up on this one)

Forget study, if you put 100% into your classwork & homework, then you'll be fine.

I started studying a few days ago, I haven't even covered half my subjects yet, am I worried? nope.

Saying that, you'll need to study for the leaving cert, but not half as much if you just just pay attention in class.

The way I see it:
I'm stuck in school, Monday to Friday, 6 hours a day, I might as well make the most of it.

Anyway for the Junior Cert, it's not too late, you don't have time to cover everything in depth, but you can still high C's (if not, B's) in most subjects.

1.Look at the Exam Timetable, identify what days you have time to study,
2. Make a list of all your subjects
3. Look through the predictions thread on here, write down anything you find on any of your subjects.

(You don't have time to do your own research, or cover everything, so the predictions thread is your best bet)

4. Study! -stick to your timetable over the coming weeks
5. Sleep! - Go to bed early, late night cramming is a no-no!


Remember, it's only the junior cert, not the end of the world, it'll be over in a few weeks. By the time you finish school, it'll probably be abolished.

Just do your best, and don't freak out, remember that it doesn't really matter,

Good Luck!

decisions

If you are confident on english do a question or 2 this evening.

Next up is Irish, you almost failed your mock, where did you loose most marks? Target these areas.


EDIT: Listen to FutureGuy on the study plan.

FutureGuy

orriray59 wrote: »

Thanks very much for the advice!

Yeah, I enjoy English a lot. I've always found it pretty easy. I'm totally confident that I can get a C1 or a B3 and up in the Junior for it.
So, I study in 45 minute bursts with a 10 minute break, do that three times, then re-read? Sounds good, I'll start imminently tomorrow.

I don't feel the need to study English. I'm good at it and have watched the Merchant of Venice many times, read the play many times, read To Kill a Mockingbird, seen the movie many times to remind myself of the general story, etc.
I'll learn off stuff for a postcard tomorrow, among other things in Irish and that's that done. Then Geography. History. Business. Science.

Yep
45 mins study
5-10 break
45 mins study
5-10 break
45 mins study
5-10 break

REVISE
5 min break

45 mins study
5-10 break
45 mins study
5-10 break
45 mins study
5-10 break

REVISE
5 min break

repeat. Make sure to eat.

rugbyfan132

i am the same as you...have done no study and i seriously am screwed.. esecially for english tomorrow. i dont know any of the poems or novels or **** and i am worried. i dont think ill fail but i could easily get a d or something.:mad:

orriray59

decisions wrote: »

If you are confident on english do a question or 2 this evening.

Next up is Irish, you almost failed your mock, where did you loose most marks? Target these areas.


EDIT: Listen to FutureGuy on the study plan.

I lost most marks on the comprehension and letter. Got zero marks on both comprehensions, don't ask me how I ended up so badly. Flat out didn't learn any Irish vocabulary or sentences for the letter OR post card, which I have this time round. I'm expecting a D1 or C3-C2. Not earth shattering results, but much better than almost failing.

orriray59

rugbyfan132 wrote: »

i am the same as you...have done no study and i seriously am screwed.. esecially for english tomorrow. i dont know any of the poems or novels or **** and i am worried. i dont think ill fail but i could easily get a d or something.:mad:

Ah, don't worry about English. If you're doing Pass then I think you can answer on movies, though don't quote me on that one. Watch the Merchant of Venice and to Kill a Mockingbird to remind yourself of the story and you'll be fine. You can't really mess up on English, you're not required to learn off anything. You just need to know a few poems and MOV+TKAMB inside and out.

Good luck!

decisions

orriray59 wrote: »

I lost most marks on the comprehension and letter. Got zero marks on both comprehensions, don't ask me how I ended up so badly. Flat out didn't learn any Irish vocabulary or sentences for the letter OR post card, which I have this time round. I'm expecting a D1 or C3-C2. Not earth shattering results, but much better than almost failing.

Have you improved your comrehention skills? And did you do an Oral?

The One Who Knocks

orriray59 wrote: »

I lost most marks on the comprehension and letter. Got zero marks on both comprehensions, don't ask me how I ended up so badly. Flat out didn't learn any Irish vocabulary or sentences for the letter OR post card, which I have this time round. I'm expecting a D1 or C3-C2. Not earth shattering results, but much better than almost failing.

For comprehensions, you don't have to understand the passages at all. You get full marks for copying directly from them, as long as the answer is right. (although you may lose overall marks at the end for your irish in general)

Look for keywords in each question, look for particular words that seem strange which you have never seen before.

Then look for these same words in the passage, find the right sentence, and cha-ching! easy marks!


although I do recommend trying to form your own answers, even by just changing them a little bit, and replacing a few words

For example

QUESTION. "Cad a dúirt sé?"

ACCEPTABLE ANSWER. "blah blah blah"

FULL MARK ANSWER. Dúirt sé "blah blah blah"

Simple!

orriray59

decisions wrote: »

Have you improved your comrehention skills? And did you do an Oral?

Yeah, we have a fantastic teacher and ever since the mock's we've done all of the exam papers.
Not much orals, though to be fair they're not in the Junior. Least not for Ordinary level anyway.

orriray59

Jamez735 wrote: »

For comprehensions, you don't have to understand the passages at all. You get full marks for copying directly from them, as long as the answer is right. (although you may lose overall marks at the end for your irish in general)

Look for keywords in each question, look for particular words that seem strange which you have never seen before.

Then look for these same words in the passage, find the right sentence, and cha-ching! easy marks!


although I do recommend trying to form your own answers, even by just changing them a little bit, and replacing a few words

For example

QUESTION. "Cad a dúirt sé?"

ACCEPTABLE ANSWER. "blah blah blah"

FULL MARK ANSWER. Dúirt sé "blah blah blah"

Simple!

Aye, I've always done this.

The One Who Knocks

orriray59 wrote: »

Aye, I've always done this.

Lol no idea how you got 0 then, but sometimes the answer is in the sentence after the sentence with the keyword,...lol I suppose understanding it would help :P

DominicKid

Im screwed for maths paper 2 any1 help most of all THEOROMs I haven't a clue about them but I truss learning them like learning science off the top of my head but I DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM AT ALL ....... Any helpful sites

rugbyfan132

i suppose cheers for the advice

orriray59

DominicKid wrote: »

Im screwed for maths paper 2 any1 help most of all THEOROMs I haven't a clue about them but I truss learning them like learning science off the top of my head but I DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM AT ALL ....... Any helpful sites

Log tables. You'll get them and they contain the theorems.

decisions

The more you're saying the more I think you will be grand.

Tomorrow when you get home you will probably be a little tired. What you should do is take an hour, relax have a bite to eat, get some exercise and put English behind you. Then you should study in blocks, make a plan and stick to it.

What about Geo and Maths?

orriray59

Jamez735 wrote: »

Lol no idea how you got 0 then, but sometimes the answer is in the sentence after the sentence with the keyword,...lol I suppose understanding it would help :P

Lol, I think it was a combination of classic exam stupidity on my part and what you said. :P

orriray59

decisions wrote: »

The more you're saying the more I think you will be grand.

Tomorrow when you get home you will probably be a little tired. What you should do is take an hour, relax have a bite to eat, get some exercise and put English behind you. Then you should study in blocks, make a plan and stick to it.

What about Geo and Maths?

Maths is grand, just need to be careful and take my time to read questions.

I got a D2 in Higher level Geography but there's a reason. I left an entire two and a half pages blank because I didn't see them! I was disgusted when I got the mocks back, lol. It was pretty funny though as well.

The One Who Knocks

decisions wrote: »

The more you're saying the more I think you will be grand.

Tomorrow when you get home you will probably be a little tired. What you should do is take an hour, relax have a bite to eat, get some exercise and put English behind you. Then you should study in blocks, make a plan and stick to it.

What about Geo and Maths?

Exactly, put in the effort now, you still have time to study, and just think about this time tomorrow, you'll be able to completely forget about english for 2 months/14 months depending on if you're doing TY lol

rugbyfan132

DominicKid wrote: »

Im screwed for maths paper 2 any1 help most of all THEOROMs I haven't a clue about them but I truss learning them like learning science off the top of my head but I DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM AT ALL ....... Any helpful sites

my maths grind guy and my teacher told me they are like almost sure that its therom 8 and 9 that are coming up, i'm only going to learn them to be honest. i dont understand them either at all but just print them out and just keep reading over them

decisions

orriray59 wrote: »

Maths is grand, just need to be careful and take my time to read questions.

I got a D2 in Higher level Geography but there's a reason. I left an entire two and a half pages blank because I didn't see them! I was disgusted when I got the mocks back, lol. It was pretty funny though as well.

Nice one

orriray59

decisions wrote: »

Nice one

I'm actually happy that I got a pass, lol. It was a stupid, stupid mistake. In my English exam it said to A or B. I did both and only realized three - quarters of the way through B. :mad: That shaved a good margin of time off the exam.

rugbyfan132

does anyone have any ideas on what history accounts might come up ???

decisions

Well you won't be making those kind of mistakes twice. Any other subjects worrying you?

decisions

rugbyfan132 wrote: »

does anyone have any ideas on what history accounts might come up ???

Try the predictions thread

rugbyfan132

decisions wrote: »

Try the predictions thread

i did, theres feck all on that:mad:

orriray59

decisions wrote: »

Well you won't be making those kind of mistakes twice. Any other subjects worrying you?

French is a bit but I'm sure I can pass that, OL French is quite easy. I'm just atrocious when it comes to languages. I might learn it outside school someday if I get the time. Would be a good language to know.

BKC

orriray59 wrote: »

Log tables. You'll get them and they contain the theorems.

You do not get the theorems you are required to know in the log tables.

~BKC~

orriray59

BKC wrote: »

You do not get the theorems you are required to know in the log tables.

~BKC~

Seriously?

BKC

orriray59 wrote: »

Seriously?

Yeah. You wouldn't be asked to prove two theorems if they were all in the log tables.

Maybe you are confusing theorems with formulae?

~BKC~

orriray59

BKC wrote: »

Yeah. You wouldn't be asked to prove two theorems if they were all in the log tables.

Maybe you are confusing theorems with formulae?

~BKC~

Aye, I think I am.

DominicKid

rugbyfan132 wrote: »

does anyone have any ideas on what history accounts might come up ???

- archaelogist on a dig
- a neothlic farmer
- a celtic druid
- a monk in early christian ireland
- a slave in ancient rome
- a child in ancient rome
- a roman soldier
- The lord The lady of castle
- a medieval knight
- a serf in a medieval manor
- a craftsman in a mefieval town
- a medieval monk
- renaissance artist (leonardo da vinci)
- a artist from outside italy (jan van eyck)
- a renaissance writer
- an explorer
- a reformer
- a worker in an industrial revolution
- a settler who recieved land in the ulster plantation - a revolution outside ireland ( american / french)
SORRY FOR NOT GIVING FULL TOPIC
- lord edward fitzgerald
- a young person in rural ireland in 1850 (famine time)
- a young person in nazi germany
- a jewish person in nazi germany
- a person in london during the blitz
- an american soldier involved in the D - Day invasion , A german soldier who took part in operation barbrossa (invasion of russia)
- asian / african / african war
- a named leader in the movement for european unity between 1945-1992 WHAT'S THIS????:mad:
- A PERSON LIVING IN SOUTHERN OR NORTHERN IRELAND during the war years 1939-1945 WHAT TOPIC IS THIS
- A NAMED POLITICAL LEADAR IN THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND DURING THE PERIOD 1960-1985 HELP WITH THIS:p:p
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IS THIS IT OR IF THERES MORE PLEASE POST AND HELP WITH THE ABOVE TOPICS THANKS AND GOOD LUCK IN THE JUNIOR CERT
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BKC

I'm pretty sure he was asking for predictions of what is likely to come up and not everything that can possibly come up. :pac:

~BKC~

Daledge

My advice is to read over different ways to prove the theorem, as many of them have more then one way. I never learned any of the theorems yet I'm certain to get full marks in them as I'm able to prove them as I go along, probably just my improvisional nature!

Mastroph

Yeah. I never learn theorems off either. I just learn the diagram and any constructions and I can usually work it out from there.

orriray59

How much do the theorems count for, as a matter of interest?