viral pneumonia

niallofthenine

Hi folks,

the vet said we have two bulls with viral pneumonia, he dosed them twice. the last time on tuesday, he said there was nothing else he'd be able to do, and that they would die. Is there anything else we could try?

Thanks,
Niall

bob charles

niallofthenine wrote: »

Hi folks,

the vet said we have two bulls with viral pneumonia, he dosed them twice. the last time on tuesday, he said there was nothing else he'd be able to do, and that they would die. Is there anything else we could try?

Thanks,
Niall

god he was very optimistic, but depending on the visual signs he probably is spot on. If they have live for 6 days so far the must be holding their own. Did you not ask the vet "if" the animals are still alive in 3 days what should they be treated with. Give your vet a call and get his advice as he is the one that treated the animals.

I have a real no hoper that got RSV pneumonia (Respiratory syncytial virus) last feburary that an experienced stockman/vet would give no hope to surviving. Better animals died and she is still with us all be it with seriously damage lungs but she is thriving. Any animals that not gets pneumonia even after a rigorous vaccination process are getting RSV. before it was IBR pneumonia that used to be the problem. You no sooner get on top of one problem when something else comings along. the most important thing is to learn from the problems and they and make sure you don't get in the same position again.

I have a number of animals during the last week with pneumonia. One from a bunch that somehow contracted hoose. I have experience a number of bought in animals with hoose at present for some reason. I even have a few that were properly treated a couple of months ago showing that were showing problems with hoose. They are treated at the onset but hoose is a dirty problem

snowman707

niallofthenine wrote: »

Hi folks,

the vet said we have two bulls with viral pneumonia, he dosed them twice. the last time on tuesday, he said there was nothing else he'd be able to do, and that they would die. Is there anything else we could try?

Thanks,
Niall

get another vet ASAP

niallofthenine

bob charles wrote: »

god he was very optimistic, but depending on the visual signs he probably is spot on. If they have live for 6 days so far the must be holding their own. Did you not ask the vet "if" the animals are still alive in 3 days what should they be treated with. Give your vet a call and get his advice as he is the one that treated the animals.

They are alive for maybe 10 days, last tuesday was his second callout, he came around the friday before that!

If there was a chance that the calves could survive, id call another vet out, but i dont want to pay €60 for the same to be said! Or is that the wrong way to be thinking?

Farmer Pudsey

Are they still very sick or are they starting to recover. What did he dose/inject them with. It amazes me the amount of people who never ask a vet what injection he is giving or what is wrong withn the animal. This is how you learn.

Ring the vet tell him they are still alive and is there anything else he can advise for them. Most vets will give you a injection if he thinks they have a chance of surviving. Check there temperature.

greysides

bob charles wrote: »

I have a number of animals during the last week with pneumonia. One from a bunch that somehow contracted hoose. I have experience a number of bought in animals with hoose at present for some reason. I even have a few that were properly treated a couple of months ago showing that were showing problems with hoose. They are treated at the onset but hoose is a dirty problem

Hoose, this early!?:eek:

Seems very unusual...........but never say never.....

Why do you say it's Hoose?

whelan1

everyday that goes by something could be being done to save them, i would prefer to keep them alive than let them die... also there is probably irrepairable damage being done to their lungs, if you are going to sit back and let them die then at least on an animal welfare ground get the local knackery to take them, otherwise get a vet back again, preferably a different one

bob charles

greysides wrote: »

Hoose, this early!?:eek:

Seems very unusual...........but never say never.....

Why do you say it's Hoose?

the good old traditional hoose grunt (cough) from most of the bunch. there must be a reason, as its only one or two bunches with the problems and its rare that we have any problems with hoose. their history is - They were wintered on beet tops, came of these and were dosed with a broad spectrum oral dose, there follow up injection about a month later with an ivermection to tidy up what was still hanging around after the oral dose. They then grazed fields where occupied by a number of animals over wintered in, which is probably there problem. Im thinking that the overwinter animals must have had hoose that weren't noticeable and they're was infection left in the sward which as far as i know can happen, can't see how overwintered on beet tops could be the cause. All treated now and they're perfect.

PatQfarmer

whelan1 wrote: »

everyday that goes by something could be being done to save them, i would prefer to keep them alive than let them die... also there is probably irrepairable damage being done to their lungs, if you are going to sit back and let them die then at least on an animal welfare ground get the local knackery to take them, otherwise get a vet back again, preferably a different one

Agree!:mad:
You can't just sit back, shrug shoulders and say, "ah well, let Nature take it's course!"
We are FARMERS for Chrissakes, we should be able to at least try. That vet amazes me. Thankfully, I have a very pro-active (and not too expensive) vet. I also ALWAYS get full details of meds. It is meant to be filled in on your Register!
Had viral pneumonia outbreak one winter, but kept them all alive through constant monitoring, temperature taking, needling (under advice and prescription!) and general care. Hard work, but worth it to see them grazing in the field the following summer.:)

PatQfarmer

bob charles wrote: »

I have a real no hoper that got RSV pneumonia (Respiratory syncytial virus) last feburary that an experienced stockman/vet would give no hope to surviving. Better animals died and she is still with us all be it with seriously damage lungs but she is thriving. Any animals that not gets pneumonia even after a rigorous vaccination process are getting RSV. before it was IBR pneumonia that used to be the problem. You no sooner get on top of one problem when something else comings along. the most important thing is to learn from the problems and they and make sure you don't get in the same position again.

I always vaccinate for IBR, but this spring, I suspect some of the bought-in calves came with RSV. White discharge from nose, no temp, looking a bit off in their coat. Respichlor treated the bacterial infection after the virus passed through.
What is anyone using for RSV vaccine?

bob charles

PatQfarmer wrote: »

I always vaccinate for IBR, but this spring, I suspect some of the bought-in calves came with RSV. White discharge from nose, no temp, looking a bit off in their coat. Respichlor treated the bacterial infection after the virus passed through.
What is anyone using for RSV vaccine?

Depends, I dont do animals from March onwards going to grass that will be finished of grass, everything that spends from sept to mar is vaccinated as its just not worth not doing them even though my vaccine bill is huge. A couple of finished animals saved would cover most but its the social cost (funny) of not having sick and dead animals if find makes a massive difference mentally to myself. Rispoval4 this time of the year should be adequate. there are cheaper alternatives if you want to give the IBR and the others in independent doses

niallofthenine

sorry folks, can we keep it on topic please!:o

whelan1

niallofthenine wrote: »

sorry folks, can we keep it on topic please!:o

did you do anything with them today?

bob charles

niallofthenine wrote: »

sorry folks, can we keep it on topic please!:o

without seeing the animals no one can advise especially on a public forum

whelan1

bob charles wrote: »

without seeing the animals no one can advise especially on a public forum

am beginning to think this is a made up thread, no one in their right mind would sit back and let animals die

greysides

bob charles wrote: »

All treated now and they're perfect.

That's the important bit.

Did they respond quick or slow to the last treatment?

Still find it hard to believe, especially as Ivermectin is a persistent wormer which kills ingested hoose larvae for 28 days. They would have been at a very low level on the pasture and non-clinical carriers wouldn't have contaminated the field hugely.

Maybe the extra-ordinary March weather.......................I dunno????

snowman707

whelan1 wrote: »

am beginning to think this is a made up thread, no one in their right mind would sit back and let animals die

a bored student with too much free time perhaps?

niallofthenine

whelan1 wrote: »

did you do anything with them today?

Vet back yesterday, and gave injection, calves in poor condition, one worse than the other. We'l see if they survive today,

PatQfarmer

niallofthenine wrote: »

Vet back yesterday, and gave injection, calves in poor condition, one worse than the other. We'l see if they survive today,

What did he inject them with?
What temp are they running?
What does vet think is wrong with them now?
Viral pneumonia would have taken them ages ago...or else they are oxes, not calves:)

niallofthenine

Still going with the viral pneumonia,
The worse calf, is pretty bad, (not standing up)
Will post what they were injected with when i get home.
Dont know what temp either (Dad's calves)

1chippy

I would never take avets word as final. Dont get me wrong but at the end of the day they are just human. We have three calves born earlier this year that we were told would definately not make it. One premature, just took an age of tlc. No prize winner now but still here. one that wouldnt suck and was pining away. took an age of bottling and a long course of injections. The third had joint ale. three courses of linco spectin and the vet said to put him down. went the traditional route with poltis and more linco. Absolute smasher now.
Over the years we have had a lot of animals we were told wouldnt make it. If i thought there was any chance we would persevere and try save them. Its not always the most economical but as bob said its about moral too. By the way we deal with a couple of vets surgerys. we keep at it till we hear the right answer.