Feedback on 2 bikes

John37

Hi,

Which would you reckon is the betterbike? The trek Madone or the Lapierre sensium?


http://www.cyclesuperstore.ie/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=45732

http://www.wheelworx.ie/trek?product_id=3583

I am also considering the boardman team carbon bike which is cheaper by a few hundred

http://www.halfords.ie/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_11101_catalogId_15551_productId_777725_langId_-1_categoryId_212536

macnab

Have you considered the Boardman Road Pro Carbon Bike @ €2049.99. If you can get your hands on an AXA or Aon insurance policy number then you will save a further 15% in Halfords, making the Pro Carbon €1742.49. I have a 2010 Team Carbon which I can vouch for, over 5000km trouble free.

2 Wheels Good

You've a lot of options at that price point. The Ultegra equipped version of the Wilier Izoard comes in around €2500, or there are some nice Eddy Merckx around that as well.
Bike Hub in Dublin do Wilier I think, World Wide Cycles do the Eddy Merckx.

cunavalos

Personally speaking i don't see any great value for money in either the trek or the lapierre listed above.
I haven't bought a bike in the last couple of years but would definitely expect to get full ultegra at least and a wheelset above aksiums for 2500. From a quick look around the major websites the boardman option suggested by macnab is a better prospect.

Also depending on your requirements (relaxed versus racing geometry) the planet x rt57 with a mixture of sram red and sram force from planet x ireland is an option at 2000 http://planetxireland.com/products-page/rt57/planet-x-rt-57-sram-force-build/

this being boards i feel i must also advise of the option of ordering from canyon. The ultimate cf 9 is better specced than both the trek and lapierre and is available for a touch over 2000 and is 7.1kg http://www.canyon.com/_en/roadbikes/bike.html?b=2508

it may also be worth your while visiting some of the bricks and mortar stores and looking out for ex display model or older models. i see fitzcycles have a principia with full ultegra and aksium wheels discounted to 1999 http://www.fitzcycles.ie/products.php?product=2010-Principia-Ellipse-Integral-C24T-Custom-Build-%252d-CLEARANCE-OFFER-%E2%82%AC1%2C398-OFF!!!

This is not an exhaustive list but a demonstration that there is better value out there. The best advice i can give you is to decide the type of bike and the level of specification you want and then see what bikes are available with that specification try those bikes out for size and comfort (For internet specialists like planet x and canyon ask around for a test ride from someone on the forum). It may be time consuming but 2000 - 2500 euros is a lot of money to be spending.

-PornStar-

That Trek seems ridiculously overpriced.

How much of a hurry are you to pick up a bike? If you can wait till September or October, the new season road bikes will be released. This is good because all the bike shops start reducing the price of last seasons stock. I got an almost fully Ultegra (cranks are FSA), carbon frame road bike for €1500 2 years ago.

John37

macnab wrote: »

Have you considered the Boardman Road Pro Carbon Bike @ €2049.99. If you can get your hands on an AXA or Aon insurance policy number then you will save a further 15% in Halfords, making the Pro Carbon €1742.49. I have a 2010 Team Carbon which I can vouch for, over 5000km trouble free.

Macnab,

Is there a vast improvement in the spec of the pro carbon and the team carbon which is about 400 cheaper? I presume the team carbon is a full carbon i.e frames, seatpost, forks bike aswell. Sorry for the silly question but I am trying to get back on the saddle after an injury lay off and not to well up on the mechanical side of bikes:) Also I am looking for a relaxed geometry bike as I have no intention of racing but it will just be for very lon spins at the weekend and the odd sportive

2 Wheels Good

Or a Ribble carbon Gran Fondo with Ultegra and Mavics Ksyrium SLs for 2500, think it won a few awards last year

John37

2 Wheels Good wrote: »

Or a Ribble carbon Gran Fondo with Ultegra and Mavics Ksyrium SLs for 2500, think it won a few awards last year

The Lapierre sensium bike is bein sold on adverts for 2100 but if I ot it for around 1800-1900 would it be a good deal. According to the seller it has hardly been used

setanta159

You can't go wrong with the team carbon. Well worth the money and a fine bike to boot.

John37

setanta159 wrote: »

You can't go wrong with the team carbon. Well worth the money and a fine bike to boot.

Thanks for the info Setanta. Would you get a team carbon over the Lapierre Sensium even though I could possibly get it a lot cheaper then its rrp i.e the second hand bike

Lumen

The three bikes mentioned can be ordered in terms of increasing uprightness/decreasing raciness:

Boardman
Madone
Sensium

...considering headtube, top tube and chainstay lengths.

Depends what you're looking for really.

I would personally be disappointed with spending 2.5k and not getting either 11sp Campag or second-to-top-tier SRAM/Shimano (Ultegra/Force).

For €2k from Canyon you get full carbon, 11sp Athena and Ksyriums, for €2100 you get Ultegra, for €2600 you get 11sp Chorus.

Taking the Lapierre as an example, the Sensium is closest in groupset/frame spec to the Ultimate CF 9.0, but

- It has Aksiums (not the €100 more expensive Ksyrium Equipes on the Canyon)
- It's €500 more expensive and about 1kg heavier.

Obviously not everyone wants a Canyon but they are the benchmark for value. Bike shops must really hate them.

If I didn't have any bikes right now I'd probably buy something with 11sp Campag (like the Canyon CF 8.0).

Shimano is about to switch to 11sp at the high end, and that weakens the usual compatibility argument for going Shimano/SRAM. Certainly anyone buying 10sp Dura Ace at full retail needs their head examined.

mp31

Lumen wrote: »

The three bikes mentioned can be ordered in terms of increasing uprightness/decreasing raciness:

Boardman
Madone
Sensium

...considering headtube, top tube and chainstay lengths.

Where would you place the Canyon in this list Lumen?
PS: I agree the Canyon seem to be great VFM (Value For Money) - if there was a VFM list I'd say it would be there at the top.

Lumen

mp31 wrote: »

Where would you place the Canyon in this list Lumen?

Between the Madone and Boardman in terms of geometry. Probably.

John37

Lumen wrote: »

The three bikes mentioned can be ordered in terms of increasing uprightness/decreasing raciness:

Boardman
Madone
Sensium

...considering headtube, top tube and chainstay lengths.

Depends what you're looking for really.

I would personally be disappointed with spending 2.5k and not getting either 11sp Campag or second-to-top-tier SRAM/Shimano (Ultegra/Force).

For €2k from Canyon you get full carbon, 11sp Athena and Ksyriums, for €2100 you get Ultegra, for €2600 you get 11sp Chorus.

Taking the Lapierre as an example, the Sensium is closest in groupset/frame spec to the Ultimate CF 9.0, but

- It has Aksiums (not the €100 more expensive Ksyrium Equipes on the Canyon)
- It's €500 more expensive and about 1kg heavier.

Obviously not everyone wants a Canyon but they are the benchmark for value. Bike shops must really hate them.

If I didn't have any bikes right now I'd probably buy something with 11sp Campag (like the Canyon CF 8.0).

Shimano is about to switch to 11sp at the high end, and that weakens the usual compatibility argument for going Shimano/SRAM. Certainly anyone buying 10sp Dura Ace at full retail needs their head examined.

Thnaks for helpful info Lumen. Do you mean the Boardman would have the more relaxed and upright geometry then the other 2 bikes or that all 3 can be ordered to be altered by the bike mechanics this way. Sorry for the stupid question

Lumen

John37 wrote: »

Thnaks for helpful info Lumen. Do you mean the Boardman would have the more relaxed and upright geometry then the other 2 bikes or that all 3 can be ordered to be altered by the bike mechanics this way. Sorry for the stupid question

No, I mean the Boardman has proper race geometry, the Madone is a bit more relaxed, and the Lapierre is more relaxed still.

You can adapt a bike to be more or less racy with saddle position and stem choice, but it's a good idea to start with something in the right ballpark.

Konkers

Would agree that Canyon is the benchmark. Have been looking for a new bike for the last 6 months (yeah brain is fried now). Took that principal in fritz cycles for a few spins and unfortunately it was too small. Only for that I would have bought it. Definitely check it out. Btw I think it has ksryium (spellcheck that) wheels.

DirkVoodoo

Konkers wrote: »

...fritz cycles...

I know you probably meant Fitz, but Fritz cycles would be a great name for a Canyon reseller in Dublin.

Konkers

Konkers wrote: »

........ principal in fritz cycles........

Another one, meant "principia":eek:. The dangers of spellcheck.:pac: