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IRB - Concussion Trials

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  • #2
    fitz
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 8,344 ✭✭✭fitz


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This is fantastic news

    http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/story/164911.html?addata=chromium#

    A quasi blood-bin for head injuries. I really hope that they have the gumption to give the casting vote to the matchday doctor (independent of the teams).

    This is a side of the game crying out for protection.

    If the assessment is meaningful, then this is great news.
    And such a simple way of approaching the issue...


  • #3
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Great to see the IRB fulfilling their promise to look into this and come up with a possible deterrent.


  • #4
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,619 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Great step by the IRB, its gonna kill us though, Church is gonna spend half the match there!


  • #5
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    errlloyd wrote: »
    Great step by the IRB, its gonna kill us though, Church is gonna spend half the match there!

    and Peter O'Mahony


  • #6
    peterako
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭peterako


    Very positive move.


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  • #7
    Morf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,822 ✭✭✭Morf


    Polota Nau won't last more than 5 minutes in any match ever again so.


  • #8
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Interesting article below on the new concussion rules. Maybe they're not so good after all.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/opinion/7050895/IRB-playing-Russian-roulette-with-players

    The IRB is playing Russian roulette with our kids. This is not just my view, it is also the view of Dr Barry O'Driscoll, uncle of Brian, former Ireland international and a man who advised the IRB on concussion for many years.

    He regards this new five-minute rule as a way out for medics who want to get their player back on the pitch.
    But now the IRB has brought in an experimental five-minute test.

    Yet the Zurich Conference on concussion requires a 20-minute test to assess a victim adequately. Even that may not be enough as many symptoms are delayed.
    O'Driscoll explained to me that bio-chemical changes after a head knock slow down glucose metabolism which reduces cognitive function. Adolescents are particularly at risk and often develop later symptoms. Some don't show up for 24 hours and exercise can exacerbate the damage.

    Zurich stresses time and time again that players should be removed from the pitch and not return.

    And yet now the IRB has a five-minute rule at a World Cup for adolescents.


  • #9
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    I'm happy they have brought in something at the least.

    Sure it may still not be 100% safe but its a much needed improvement. It would be ideal to have the option of a neutral match doctor who can assess and request a longer rest period. Maybe that's the next step for later on.


  • #10
    spoon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭spoon


    A friend of mine developed an app for the IRB to help with the assesment of concussions which is also being trialled at the moment.

    The players are asked to do a series of tests and their results are emailed to an external source as well as a video of them carryin out the test. This can then be reviewed to ensure that the assesment was accurate.


  • #11
    Johnny Tasty Munchies
    Posts: 0 ✭ Johnny Tasty Munchies


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I'm happy they have brought in something at the least.

    Sure it may still not be 100% safe but its a much needed improvement. It would be ideal to have the option of a neutral match doctor who can assess and request a longer rest period. Maybe that's the next step for later on.

    I thought that was the step?

    Quote from Original article -
    "under the new trial, the referee, the matchday doctor and the team's doctor have the power to recommend that the player undergoes the assessment."


    Surely there's a distinction between the matchday doctor and the team's individual doctors?


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  • #12
    Shelflife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Shelflife


    spoon wrote: »
    A friend of mine developed an app for the IRB to help with the assesment of concussions which is also being trialled at the moment.

    The players are asked to do a series of tests and their results are emailed to an external source as well as a video of them carryin out the test. This can then be reviewed to ensure that the assesment was accurate.

    The problem with the test is that some players were deliberately doing badly in their initial test so that when they did the apres concussion test their results wont appear as bad.


  • #13
    daveharnett
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭daveharnett


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This is fantastic news

    http://www.espnscrum.com/scrum/rugby/story/164911.html?addata=chromium#

    A quasi blood-bin for head injuries. I really hope that they have the gumption to give the casting vote to the matchday doctor (independent of the teams).

    This is a side of the game crying out for protection.
    I would imagine that any of the three could call for an assessment, with the (independent) matchday doctor performing the assessment and making a recommendation to the referee (via the fourth official) as to whether the player can continue.

    I can see sense in the argument against - in an ideal world, if the ref has any doubts about a player's fitness to continue, his game should be over. However, that's been in the law since the year dot, and it obviously isn't working at the top level.

    More information: http://www.irbplayerwelfare.com/


  • #14
    spoon
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    Shelflife wrote: »
    The problem with the test is that some players were deliberately doing badly in their initial test so that when they did the apres concussion test their results wont appear as bad.

    from what he's told me this is not a test that needs to be carried out at the start of the season to compare results.


  • #15
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Johnny Tasty Munchies wrote: »
    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I'm happy they have brought in something at the least.

    Sure it may still not be 100% safe but its a much needed improvement. It would be ideal to have the option of a neutral match doctor who can assess and request a longer rest period. Maybe that's the next step for later on.

    I thought that was the step?

    Quote from Original article -
    "under the new trial, the referee, the matchday doctor and the team's doctor have the power to recommend that the player undergoes the assessment."


    Surely there's a distinction between the matchday doctor and the team's individual doctors?
    No, longer rest period. As the article says, the current rules don't give the doctor adequate time to assess the concussion. The independent doctor should have the authority to hold the player off the pitch for a longer period if he deems it necessary.


  • #16
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    www.examiner.com/article/2000-ex-nfl-players-sue-league-over-concussion-brain-damage-coverup/

    We're handling the issue better than these guys...


  • #17
    Beery Eyed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 395 ✭✭Beery Eyed


    Just came across this. Fairly interesting stuff (or disturbing, depending on how you look at it). Posted on Balls.ie earlier, but originally produced by One News in New Zealand.

    http://balls1.bmobilized.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.balls.ie%2F2012%2F08%2F16%2Fwhat-are-we-doing-to-ourselves-this-rugby-season%2F%3Ffwcc%3D1%26fwcl%3D1%26fwl

    It's a scary subject overall, and with bigger players & bigger hits becoming the call of the day it's worrying to think where it will end up.

    Also, I must admit that I'm quite glad this was done in NZ, since it's often at the forefront of a lot of the unnecessary bravado that goes on in rugby these days. Whenever genuine concerns are raised about the safety of players/ high tackles/spear tackles, etc. it is usually NZ & Oz commentators that are the first to shoot their mouths off about the game "going soft" or some other rubbish, usually without much thought going into their comments.


  • #18
    Foyler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 ✭Foyler


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    www.examiner.com/article/2000-ex-nfl-players-sue-league-over-concussion-brain-damage-coverup/

    We're handling the issue better than these guys...

    It's all of the issues that have come out in the NFL that has the IRB running to cover its ass.
    In some ways the old, 'take 3 weeks off' rule was best, Rugby is now a fairly brutal sport and sometimes younger players need to be protected from themselves, all the rest of your limbs & joints can be replaced in time but you only get the one brain!

    You probably see a player concussed in every other top grade game of rugby nowadays and rarely are they even taken off.
    I've seen it at a lower level first hand where the coach wants to keep a player on and the player wants to show how hard he is but given what we know now, its pretty shocking to see professional physio's & doctors allowing players to stagger around for a few minutes in the hope their heads will clear.


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