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Mariusz Pudgyanovski

I'm seeing a lot of diesel A4s around town badged as S and RS 4s.
Anyone else notice this trend?

TestTransmission

Mariusz Pudgyanovski wrote: »

I'm seeing a lot of diesel A4s around town badged as S and RS 4s.
Anyone else notice this trend?

Been going on for quite a while now.

omb0wyn5ehpij9

TestTransmission wrote: »

Been going on for quite a while now.

I would say it will be around for a good while yet

Mariusz Pudgyanovski

indeed, just seems more prevalent lately

CianRyan

Seems it's died down a bit around Tallaght anyway.
Absolutely hate the idea of badging your car as something it's not.

Clutchkick

TDIs are the new glanza's,I wanted a glanza but couldn't get insured on one so i got a 110bhp Golf GT TDI (a real one,i also hate fake cars) and got it remapped.It now has 150bhp and more torque than an e46 M3!!the take off in it is actually painful..i always hated diesel cars because of the niose but once you get used to all that extra torque you'll never go back to petrol.As for the people who drive TDI "RS4s" they just updraded from their 1.4 "Type R"s

jsd1004

Clutchkick wrote: »

TDIs are the new glanza's,I wanted a glanza but couldn't get insured on one so i got a 110bhp Golf GT TDI (a real one,i also hate fake cars) and got it remapped.It now has 150bhp and more torque than an e46 M3!!the take off in it is actually painful..i always hated diesel cars because of the niose but once you get used to all that extra torque you'll never go back to petrol.As for the people who drive TDI "RS4s" they just updraded from their 1.4 "Type R"s

As a knowledgeable car person I cringe when i see a RS4 badged oil burner with dodgy exhausts and dubious body kit. Felt is the term that we use.

Pdfile

jsd1004 wrote: »

As a knowledgeable car person I cringe when i see a RS4 badged oil burner with dodgy exhausts and dubious body kit. Felt is the term that we use.

as a person with working eyes, i think they all look like brukes tbh... like lads in them pennys best chinos.

colm_mcm

First one I saw was in 2004, was the current model at the time. Guy tried to trade it in. Wanted bonkers money for it at the time.

tossy

Clutchkick wrote: »

but once you get used to all that extra torque you'll never go back to petrol.

I had a 180 bhp V6 diesel with more torque than there are torques in the world and i couldn't wait to get back to petrol,i counted down the days to petrol on my wall like i was in prison

As long as i can afford to run one i'll always have a performance petrol over a diesel.

Clutchkick wrote: »

.As for the people who drive TDI "RS4s" they just updraded from their 1.4 "Type R"s

OR their "GT TDI" golfs :P

As for the trend mentioned by the OP \/

dar83

Clutchkick wrote: »

...but once you get used to all that extra torque you'll never go back to petrol...

Unless you get a proper performance Petrol motor...

I'd much rather decent Torque over a larger powerband than a gush of Torque for a pretty limited range.

I kind of feel like creating an analogy based on the comparison of a long relaxed yet satisfying dump compared to explosive diarrhoea right about now. :pac:

CianRyan

Want torque?
Petrol please.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaTkZdyD1gE

Tallon

Seen a very rare type R micra a while back!

Has to be the only one in the country

Matt Simis

Clutchkick wrote: »

TDIs are the new glanza's,I wanted a glanza but couldn't get insured on one so i got a 110bhp Golf GT TDI (a real one,i also hate fake cars) and got it remapped.It now has 150bhp and more torque than an e46 M3!!the take off in it is actually painful..

i always hated diesel cars because of the niose but once you get used to all that extra torque you'll never go back to petrol.

Lol. Not quite. You arent comparing torque across cars correctly.
1.9TDI at 160bhp remapped (closest I could find), with EFF gearbox has a 3rd gear ratio of 1.345 and a Final Drive of 3.33
E46 M3, stock, has 3rd gear ratio of 1.67 and Final Drive of 3.62

Note that the gearing in the M3 has much higher multiplicative torque figures than the VW EFF box (standard box for 150BHP ARL TDI engine). The reason for this difference is RPM range (ie power) is vastly higher on the M3, it Revs to 8000rpm and delivers 80% of torque from 2000rpm to 7800rpm (while the remapped TDI delivers 80% from 1800rpm to 3400rpm, a crappy thin wedge).

The on the road effect of this regarding peak torque (Axle Wheel Torque) , ignoring drive train losses on both cars, 3rd gear:
VW 1.9TDI 163bhp = 1164ft/lbs
BMW M3 E46 (340bhp) = 1632ft/lbs

And of course a petrol car will deliver torque over double to triple the powerband your 1.9TDI does. There is no comparison, the M3 delivers far more torque to tarmac over a longer period and this comparison is pretty much the same in any given diesel to petrol comparison (outside of fringe stuff like BMW's Double / Triple turbo diesels and VAG's V10 and V12TDIs).

tossy

Matt Simis wrote: »

Lol. Not quite. You arent comparing torque across cars correctly.
1.9TDI at 160bhp remapped (closest I could find), with EFF gearbox has a 3rd gear ratio of 1.345 and a Final Drive of 3.33
E46 M3, stock, has 3rd gear ratio of 1.67 and Final Drive of 3.62

Note that the gearing in the M3 has much higher multiplicative torque figures than the VW EFF box (standard box for 150BHP ARL TDI engine). The reason for this difference is RPM range (ie power) is vastly higher on the M3, it Revs to 8000rpm and delivers 80% of torque from 2000rpm to 7800rpm (while the remapped TDI delivers 80% from 1800rpm to 3400rpm, a crappy thin wedge).

The on the road effect of this regarding peak torque (Axle Wheel Torque) , ignoring drive train losses on both cars, 3rd gear:
VW 1.9TDI 163bhp = 1164ft/lbs
BMW M3 E46 (340bhp) = 1632ft/lbs

And of course a petrol car will deliver torque over double to triple the powerband your 1.9TDI does. There is no comparison, the M3 delivers far more torque to tarmac over a longer period and this comparison is pretty much the same in any given diesel to petrol comparison (outside of fringe stuff like BMW's Double / Triple turbo diesels and VAG's V10 and V12TDIs).

Yeah! so there!

Mariusz Pudgyanovski

i guess it was a clever idea back in the day but when you see more RS4s going around than A4s, something stinks.
it's one thing to stick an s-line badge on coz you got some kit, but to badge it as a totally different model is just wrong

Clutchkick

Matt Simis wrote: »

Lol. Not quite. You arent comparing torque across cars correctly.
1.9TDI at 160bhp remapped (closest I could find), with EFF gearbox has a 3rd gear ratio of 1.345 and a Final Drive of 3.33
E46 M3, stock, has 3rd gear ratio of 1.67 and Final Drive of 3.62

Note that the gearing in the M3 has much higher multiplicative torque figures than the VW EFF box (standard box for 150BHP ARL TDI engine). The reason for this difference is RPM range (ie power) is vastly higher on the M3, it Revs to 8000rpm and delivers 80% of torque from 2000rpm to 7800rpm (while the remapped TDI delivers 80% from 1800rpm to 3400rpm, a crappy thin wedge).

The on the road effect of this regarding peak torque (Axle Wheel Torque) , ignoring drive train losses on both cars, 3rd gear:
VW 1.9TDI 163bhp = 1164ft/lbs
BMW M3 E46 (340bhp) = 1632ft/lbs

And of course a petrol car will deliver torque over double to triple the powerband your 1.9TDI does. There is no comparison, the M3 delivers far more torque to tarmac over a longer period and this comparison is pretty much the same in any given diesel to petrol comparison (outside of fringe stuff like BMW's Double / Triple turbo diesels and VAG's V10 and V12TDIs).

erm,i'll just take you're word for that ha

Pdfile

Tallon wrote: »

Seen a very rare type R micra a while back!

Has to be the only one in the country

theirs a mirca R down the road from me...

both turbo and super charged...


serious motor.

JimmyCrackCorn

Pdfile wrote: »

theirs a mirca R down the road from me...

both turbo and super charged...


serious motor.

That's the Micra super turbo.


Replica cars are not new.

1. Cosworth replicas
2. Escort turbo replicas
3. CTR replicas
4. ITR replicas
5. IV seen a Vx220 Mercedes badged.

dar83

And not forgetting the King of all replica efforts, the MR2 Ferrari!

tossy

dar83 wrote: »

And not forgetting the King of all replica efforts, the MR2 Ferrari!

I'd give a car like that way more props than any S4 tdi or Type Rrrr 1.4

dar83

tossy wrote: »

I'd give a car like that way more props than any S4 tdi or Type Rrrr 1.4

Very true, but it is still the holy grail of something that it isn't.

Pdfile

tossy wrote: »

I'd give a car like that way more props than any S4 tdi or Type Rrrr 1.4

agreed, some of these actually have decent spec for a kit car...


but still its like a pair of fake boobs, yes their still nice to look at but in reality.... not as much fun

Mariusz Pudgyanovski

Pdfile wrote: »

but still its like a pair of fake boobs, yes their still nice to look at but in reality.... not as much fun

BS, fake boobs are class!! and yes i've got my mitts on some.. 4 pairs in fact

Carazy

Clutchkick wrote: »

TDIs are the new glanza's,I wanted a glanza but couldn't get insured on one so i got a 110bhp Golf GT TDI (a real one,i also hate fake cars) and got it remapped.It now has 150bhp and more torque than an e46 M3!!the take off in it is actually painful..i always hated diesel cars because of the niose but once you get used to all that extra torque you'll never go back to petrol.As for the people who drive TDI "RS4s" they just updraded from their 1.4 "Type R"s

You hate fake cars and got a GT Tdi?? You know that that GT badge is only a badge and of no difference to the car.As for you saying you have more torque than a e46 M3.....you've already been told.

colm_mcm

Carazy wrote: »

You hate fake cars and got a GT Tdi?? You know that that GT badge is only a badge and of no difference to the car.As for you saying you have more torque than a e46 M3.....you've already been told.

VW listed the model, put the badges on themselves. It's as valid as any other model. Same as you can get a GTI petrol with a lazy 8 valve engine.

JimmyCrackCorn

Replicas can be very very cool. Nom Nom Nom






http://www.automobilemag.com/features/0711_lotus_seven/photo_13.html

Pdfile

Mariusz Pudgyanovski wrote: »

BS, fake boobs are class!! and yes i've got my mitts on some.. 4 pairs in fact

now the whole different thread entirely ! :pac:


as for Jimmy's SR powered 7... them 7/caterhams are deadly... namely the westfields :cool:

Carazy

colm_mcm wrote: »

VW listed the model, put the badges on themselves. It's as valid as any other model. Same as you can get a GTI petrol with a lazy 8 valve engine.

Can you link me to somewhere that VW themselves have listed the GT model please and the differences as every English model seems to be listed as GT. (Mk4 Golfs I'm on about as the poster says his was a 110bhp GTTdi)
A definitive list of VW's GT model range would be brilliant because I have never seen one.