Showing euro 2012 in work, legality?

2 Wheels Good

Just wondering, if I set up a tv in work is there anything we need other than a TV licence to show the euro 2012 games (on RTE 2) to employees?

Assuming no as it's on fta.

evilivor

2 Wheels Good wrote: »

Just wondering, if I set up a tv in work is there anything we need other than a TV licence to show the euro 2012 games (on RTE 2) to employees?

Assuming no as it's on fta.

You would also need an IMRO licence.

http://www.imro.ie/music-users/why-do-i-need-an-imro-licence/

2 Wheels Good

evilivor wrote: »

You would also need an IMRO licence.

http://www.imro.ie/music-users/why-do-i-need-an-imro-licence/

Thanks, will check it out.

Sponge Bob

IMRO will be marching door to door looking to catch people....as they do.

excollier

With their limitless resources and manpower...

Kristopherus

IMRO = parasites.

Op, its up to you whether you tell anyone or not. If IMRO get inside your premises they will serch for every signa-emitting device in the gaff. They will then hit you with an annual bill, based on their non-negotiable calculations.l

coylemj

Clearly a planted question since the IMRO spy pounced within 13 minutes of the original post.

evilivor

coylemj wrote: »

Clearly a planted question since the IMRO spy pounced within 13 minutes of the original post.

Who are you calling a spy, mate? Someone asked a question, I gave an answer - bit more helpful than you.

coylemj

From the IMRO website..

When you use copyright music in your business you must first obtain permission from the copyright owners to do so and you do this by taking out a licence from and paying the appropriate licence fees due thereon to IMRO.


Note the reference to 'copyright music'.

I understand that for their Euro 2012 coverage, RTE will be using 'Nimrod' from Edward Elgar's Enigma Variations as their signature music.

Now Elgar died in 1934 which means that on January 1st 2005 his music went out of copyright, therefore there will be no playing of copyright-protected music during the footie, hence the OP will not require an IMRO licence.

watty

The Recording of Elgar if made more recently will be copyright.
It's most unlikely to be a copyright free recording.

You can hire an Orchestra and record Elgar and pay nothing to Elgar's estate if what you claim is true. But the Recording RTE use is a Performance and also a Creative work (as it's edited). The subsequent CD or MP3 AUTOMATICALLY is copyright unless the Players, Producer etc decide to put it in the Public Domain.

The royalties to the composer are only one aspect of the "Rights".

evilivor

coylemj wrote: »

From the IMRO website..

When you use copyright music in your business you must first obtain permission from the copyright owners to do so and you do this by taking out a licence from and paying the appropriate licence fees due thereon to IMRO.


Note the reference to 'copyright music'.

I understand that for their Euro 2012 coverage, RTE will be using 'Nimrod' from Edward Elgar's Enigma Variations as their signature music.

Now Elgar died in 1934 which means that on January 1st 2005 his music went out of copyright, therefore there will be no playing of copyright-protected music during the footie, hence the OP will not require an IMRO licence.

That would assume that the only music used in the programme is Elgar - they do tend to use other music for montages, recap packages, even Apres Match sketches.

I guess the OP could leave the tv off or muted until kick-off, on for the game, and off for the ads.

I believe IMRO, like the TV licence inspectors do tend to use these time as a good opportunity for spot checks, as it is like shooting fish in a barrel, but, I musicians need to get paid, with a few of them in the family, I support that.

Duggys Housemate

evilivor wrote: »

That would assume that the only music used in the programme is Elgar - they do tend to use other music for montages, recap packages, even Apres Match sketches.

I guess the OP could leave the tv off or muted until kick-off, on for the game, and off for the ads.

I believe IMRO, like the TV licence inspectors do tend to use these time as a good opportunity for spot checks, as it is like shooting fish in a barrel, but, I musicians need to get paid, with a few of them in the family, I support that.

So people need to get rights to show ads, because they show music, in public settings? Amazing.

If there is any threat at all from IMRO, just mute the TV when music comes on, I am pretty sure if IMRO are bugging the office - which they aren't - the courts would agree that a reasonable attempt was made to conform to copyright even if a second or two slipped by.

What makes IMRO ridiculous, is that there is far more important content in the actual games, but it seems that RTE can transfer rights on that to businesses, but not to the music played at half time - yet, they pay for both.

coylemj

watty wrote: »

The Recording of Elgar if made more recently will be copyright.
It's most unlikely to be a copyright free recording.

If it's recorded by the RTE Symphony Orchestra they can play it until the cows come home and they won't have to pay a penny to anyone.

watty

Irrelevant for IMRO and Public TV watching. It's RTE Copyright.

If RTE issue it on a CD it's copyright too

Just because RTE records it makes no difference to IMRO. Actually how much they pay the Orchestra reflects the usage.

dowtchaboy

I do not believe IMRO "inspectors" have the right to enter your work premises, unless you are providing a service where the public would normally have access such as a pub or hotel and then they can enter just like any other member of the public.
If you are putting a TV or two in a factory floor, or in a workshop or warehouse - how can they prove anything?

Also - you are probably already paying IMRO for having music in your premises - they get lolly of you have a radio playing that can be heard by more than one person, if you have "music on hold" on your telephones, possibly even if some of your colleagues have a habit of singing in the bog. Check with your accounts people - they are probably already paying Bono et al as it is.

STB

Is this some place that has a public counter ?

If not then there should not be an issue.

JohnFalstaff

watty wrote: »

The Recording of Elgar if made more recently will be copyright.
It's most unlikely to be a copyright free recording.

You can hire an Orchestra and record Elgar and pay nothing to Elgar's estate if what you claim is true. But the Recording RTE use is a Performance and also a Creative work (as it's edited). The subsequent CD or MP3 AUTOMATICALLY is copyright unless the Players, Producer etc decide to put it in the Public Domain.

The royalties to the composer are only one aspect of the "Rights".

Musopen provide a copyright free recording of Nimrod from Elgar's Enigma Variations:

http://musopen.org/music/piece/480

Musopen is a project that creates recordings of classical works that have fallen into the public domain. The music can be used in any way people like.