Clunking noise is driving me mad

Rita1

Hi all,

I have a clunking noise coming from the front of my bike :mad:

It only happens when I'm out of the saddle when climbing.

I have tightened the bearing on my 4 months old Mavic ksyrium elite wheels

Also checked for loose spokes and botton bracket

I have changed the 2 bearings in the heatset as well

Did anyone have this problem or know what the hell is happening, its driving me mad.

The bike is a Full Carbon Ridley Noah with alu bars(cheap bars)

This is a pic of the bike


Thanks for reading this.

Shane

seamus

"clunking" - wild guess, the magnet for your speedometer is knocking off the sensor as your wheel flexes. Or your rim is hitting off your brakes.

Is it a regular clunk-clunk-clunk or just a random rattling? And is it an actual clunk or more of a clicking or ticking?

route66

Have a look here: www.jimlangley.net/wrench/keepitquiet.html

I can add a new source to the list above. Out for a cycle tonight and heard this terrible noise coming from the front/middle of the bike. Was it the headset bearing crushed? The bottom bracket? The front wheel?
Naw. I'd filled the bottle with ice and water. The noise was the ice rattling over the bumps. Doh!

Rita1

Hi there,

It is a clunk and my speed sensor is on the back wheel, but a good thought

I don't think its the rim is hitting off your brakes.

LOL about the ice, I will have a look at your link.

Cheers folks

nilhg

Another link for ya, though it's about clicking rather than cluncking...


http://worldwidecyclesblog.com/2012/05/22/me-bike-is-clickin/

Mycroft H

Rita1 wrote: »

Hi all,

I have a clunking noise coming from the front of my bike :mad:

It only happens when I'm out of the saddle when climbing.

I have tightened the bearing on my 4 months old Mavic ksyrium elite wheels

Also checked for loose spokes and botton bracket

I have changed the 2 bearings in the heatset as well

Did anyone have this problem or know what the hell is happening, its driving me mad.

The bike is a Full Carbon Ridley Noah with alu bars(cheap bars)

This is a pic of the bike


Thanks for reading this.

Shane

Read this and come back to us

http://sheldonbrown.com/creaks.html

el Bastardo

For me, it was a slightly loose headset/stem interface that clunked; vertically rather than radially or horizontally. There's really not much else on the front of a road bike that can clunk.

mp31

Is the frequency of the clunk related to the pedalling frequency or to the speed of the bike?

Rita1

It happens when i'm out of the saddle throwing the bike from side to side, It's not on the pedal stroke, its when the bike goes left then right but depends on hard I push on the handlebars.....I will check the headset and stem tomorrow.

Cheers for the comments

mp31

Do you have internal cable routing ... if so could it be the cables knocking against the inside of the tubes.

AIR-AUSSIE

I would guess something to do with the front fork.

Perhaps your bearings or spacers are lose. I had lose spacers before and took my fork apart and stuck it back together to fix it. It didn't make noise though.

Rita1

I had the bearings replace because of the noise, but its still there and all in tight.

The bike does have internal cable routing but its a loud clunking noise which i think the cable couldn't make...but maybe i'm wrong.

dermur

Some things to check...

magnet on the wheel for speedo (I had this happen to me)
front cables knocking each other?
any front spokes crossing over each other - might need some oil?
valve loose & knocking against rim (I had this happen to me)
bottle cage bolts

Rita1

Some things to check...

magnet on the wheel for speedo (I had this happen to me)
front cables knocking each other?
any front spokes crossing over each other - might need some oil?
valve loose & knocking against rim (I had this happen to me)
bottle cage bolts

Hi Dermur,

I have checked all of these, I have bought new handlebar a few days ago because I thought it may be them....:rolleyes:

Also the next thing I have to do is take out the front quick release, pull off both axle caps and grease the inside surfaces....

I hope one of these sort it.

mp31

Try wiggling the bike side to side whilst stationary - with similar force when riding.
Also, what happens when you are out of the saddle but not throwing the bike from side to side?

ryan0380

Cones on the front wheel loose maybe??? I have a noise from front of bike on rougher roads and was convinced it was the headset or spacers that were loose but cones had come loose and was causing a knocking type noise.

Rita1

Try wiggling the bike side to side whilst stationary - with similar force when riding.
Also, what happens when you are out of the saddle but not throwing the bike from side to side?

Two very good comments,

There is no sound when I'm off the bike and wriggling the bike side to side.

And also no sound when out of the saddle not throwing the bike from side to side.

But don't have to throw the bike very far to get the sound.

Cheers

Rita1

Cones on the front wheel loose maybe???

Maybe a stupid question but what is the cones???

smacl

Just an idea, but put the bike on a turbo and see if you can still generate the noise. If you can, get someone else to listen for where its coming from while you're cycling.

dermur

For the sake of your sanity maybe you have a local bike shop where you can let them take a look?

Mycroft H

Rita1 wrote: »

Cones on the front wheel loose maybe???

Maybe a stupid question but what is the cones???

The cones are the bearing race that apply adjustable pressure on the innear bearing surface of the wheel hub. Too little pressure and the wheel will have an obvious lateral play which can be tested by rocking the wheel left and right.

gaffmaster

I had a clunking noise like this last year. I had the headset tightened on too much.

Have you lubed your spacers?

Taken from Nilhg's link:
“My bicycle is an 2007 Raleigh Competition, which is equipped with an Easton EA70 carbon fork. The bike came with a stack of 5 5mm headset spacers beneath the stem. I replaced them with a single 25mm spacer from Chris King. My creaking noise came when I would get out of the saddle on steep climbs. I went through many potential causes and fixes with no change. Then one evening the old light bulb went off. Surely, I thought, there must be some amount of deflection in the fork steerer tube when I stand and climb a steep grade. Could this deflection be causing the noise? Solution: I removed the stem and spacers and lightly lubed the steerer, and each contact surface as I reassembled. I also snugged the assembly down a bit more than I had in the past, being careful not to preload the bearings too much. And YES, the noise has gone away!”

Rita1

The cones are the bearing race that apply adjustable pressure on the innear bearing surface of the wheel hub. Too little pressure and the wheel will have an obvious lateral play which can be tested by rocking the wheel left and right.

Thanks for that BX 19....great to get the knowledge

I had a clunking noise like this last year. I had the headset tightened on too much.

Have you lubed your spacers?

Taken from Nilhg's link:
“My bicycle is an 2007 Raleigh Competition, which is equipped with an Easton EA70 carbon fork. The bike came with a stack of 5 5mm headset spacers beneath the stem. I replaced them with a single 25mm spacer from Chris King. My creaking noise came when I would get out of the saddle on steep climbs. I went through many potential causes and fixes with no change. Then one evening the old light bulb went off. Surely, I thought, there must be some amount of deflection in the fork steerer tube when I stand and climb a steep grade. Could this deflection be causing the noise? Solution: I removed the stem and spacers and lightly lubed the steerer, and each contact surface as I reassembled. I also snugged the assembly down a bit more than I had in the past, being careful not to preload the bearings too much. And YES, the noise has gone away!”

This could solve my problem....it sound like it make sense....going to my LBS to purchase some lube.

Cheers

kincsem

I had a rattling noise from the front of my bike a couple of years ago. I thought it was the front wheel. It was often quiet, then it would start to rattle. I noticed it was bad when I was going down the hill into Enniskerry from Kiltiernan.

I brought it into Joe Dalys in Dundrum. As I was walking across the shop wheeling the bike I had my hand on the stem and felt the cap loose. Doh. It was a loose headset. I thought the sound was coming from around the front wheel axle. The rough downhill made it rattle, the smooth flat road kept it quiet.

Try to isolate it. Remove the wheel and move the handlebars a bit.

Boardnashea

kincsem wrote: »

Try to isolate it. Remove the wheel and move the handlebars a bit.

...while on a steep climb

mp31

dermur wrote: »

For the sake of your sanity maybe you have a local bike shop where you can let them take a look?

Ah but where's the fun in that. Right now the cycling user group intelligence is at work solving yet another problem.. how cool is that

At this stage I want to have a go myself and try and find the cause of this clunk.

Rita1

cycling user group intelligence is at work solving yet another problem.. how cool is that

This very true, all the advise I got is great.....the house is going to full of grease this afternoon:)

At this stage I want to have a go myself and try and find the cause of this clunk.

Go for it, you could be the winner. I hope !!!!

talkabout

Shane

I had a similar noise and it turned out to be the magnet on the wheel for the speedo. Nice bike btw

Rita1

I had a similar noise and it turned out to be the magnet on the wheel for the speedo

Yea someone had the same problem, but I have the speedo on the back wheel. lol

A Ballybofey man like myself...well Stranorlar

buffalo

nilhg wrote: »

Another link for ya, though it's about clicking rather than cluncking...


http://worldwidecyclesblog.com/2012/05/22/me-bike-is-clickin/

Read this last week, great post - useful and well written.

com1

Maybe have a look at your cleats and pedals... could be something going astray there. Your steerer tube isnt cracked by any chance?

The tax man

I suffered from a similar noise on my bike a couple of years ago. It would only appear when going up hill out of the saddle. I was convinced it was coming from the BB area, greased and retightened chainring bolts, still there, replaced BB twice, still there. Then came across the daftest sounding advice on solving creaking noises, grease the fork drop outs. Applied tiny film of grease on the drop outs and my noise disappeared for good.
I know you said yours is a clunk rather than a creak but it's a very quick and simple thing to try.
Best of luck in the hunt.

Rita1

I suffered from a similar noise on my bike a couple of years ago. It would only appear when going up hill out of the saddle. I was convinced it was coming from the BB area, greased and retightened chainring bolts, still there, replaced BB twice, still there. Then came across the daftest sounding advice on solving creaking noises, grease the fork drop outs. Applied tiny film of grease on the drop outs and my noise disappeared for good.
I know you said yours is a clunk rather than a creak but it's a very quick and simple thing to try.
Best of luck in the hunt.

I'm in the middle of greasing here, i will also grease the fork drop outs.....it sounds like its coming from there too.

Cheers for the advice Tax Man.

ednwireland

mavic composite skewers are know to creak if not tight enough (i'm tempted to replace it with a hope or something as it just doesnt feel positive when i close it )
http://forums.roadbikereview.com/components-wrenching/creaky-mavic-ksyrium-sl-front-hub-61368.html

Rita1

I have greased all....bearings in the headset, spacer under stem, skewer and drop outs......

The big test will be in the morning when cycling to work.

If that doesn't work, maybe look at replacing the skewers.

Thanks very very much for all the comments

I will let you know how I get on.

Cheers Shane

Rita1

Hi all,

Well the test drive is completed.....not a sound to be heard.

I tried so many things so i don't know what fixed it

I took the headset apart and greased everything also greased the Mavis skewer and a small bit on the front fork drop-outs(I think this was the problem).

So I would like to thank everyone for all there help.

Cheers Shane

Mycroft H

Rita1 wrote: »

Hi all,

Well the test drive is completed.....not a sound to be heard.

I tried so many things so i don't know what fixed it

I took the headset apart and greased everything also greased the Mavis skewer and a small bit on the front fork drop-outs(I think this was the problem).

So I would like to thank everyone for all there help.

Cheers Shane

Glorious silence. With only the hum of the tyres and the whir of the chain

ednwireland

you can come and do mine now !

Rita1

Glorious silence. With only the hum of the tyres and the whir of the chain

yes yes yes I love that sound

you can come and do mine now !

I be there in half an hour.....

mp31

Rita1 wrote: »

Hi all,

Well the test drive is completed.....not a sound to be heard.

I tried so many things so i don't know what fixed it

I took the headset apart and greased everything also greased the Mavis skewer and a small bit on the front fork drop-outs(I think this was the problem).

So I would like to thank everyone for all there help.

Cheers Shane

Xlnt news... bloomin' nice bike BTW

Rita1

Xlnt news... bloomin' nice bike BTW

Cheers, all I need now is the legs and lungs :D:D

Rita1

:mad:

Yes the noise is back....

BUT at least I know where it is...I think.

I changed the front wheel to my mate and hey presto no clunking or knocking.

So, the problem is my 5 month old Mavic Ksyrium Elite's.

Now to find what's wrong with the front wheel.

Bearing and spokes are tight, greased skewer... that's all I could think of.

Any other suggestions what could be the problem are very welcome.

Cheers

Shane

kincsem

The link on post #3 has lots of good advice.

If you put your wheel in your friend's bike does he inherit the problem?

Rita1

If you put your wheel in your friend's bike does he inherit the problem?

Yes the noise moves to his bike

I bought them from Merlin Cycles and this is what they said:

This could be a loose bit of metal that's become loose within the rim. This is a common problem, but does not effect performance and usability!
Basically, all we do here is rebond (glue) the rim and it normally locks the metal piece down. Unfortunately there is no method of removing it from the rim.

Has anyone have any experience of this?

el Bastardo

Probably easier to buy a new wheel while you're investigating it: Interesting thread all the same!

Rita1

Probably easier to buy a new wheel while you're investigating it

No way, I've spent enough on this blood bike

smacl

Rita1 wrote: »

No way, I've spent enough on this blood bike

That's not a cheap wheel, and IMHO unwanted noise is a defect. If it's under warranty, I'd return it and look either for a replacement or a FOC repair.

Rita1

I'd return it and look either for a replacement or a FOC repair

Cheers for that smacl, that's the I'm looking at the minute.