Will Conor O Shea be next Irish coach?

QDog10

Been following the English league all season, and after watching the highlights of the final last night I have to say was very impressed with the rugby Harlequins played and how O Shea has turned the club around in the last couple of seasons. With Kidney coming under presssure O Shea seems to be the type of guy the IRFU would possibly approach. However he may be committed to the Harelquins project for the next few seasons.

Quint2010

Would not be surprised to see him becoming the next Leinster coach the season after next.

Fishooks12

I'd probably have him as favorite if Kidney flies the coop next year

The more I think about it the horrible dread that Kidney might get an extension seems more and more plausible though

I'd like Schmidt but I think O Shea is more realistic

Sindri

I think it's more than likely he will eventually get the job. The IRFU have said Schmidt isn't the sort of man they want or something to that effect. I think O' Shea would want the job but not until he's satisfied with Harlequins.

justsomebloke

can't see him wanting it to be truthful. International rugby coaching jobs can be pretty much poison chalice work so I can't see him wanting this till later in his career

thomond2006

justsomebloke wrote: »

can't see him wanting it to be truthful. International rugby coaching jobs can be pretty much poison chalice work so I can't see him wanting this till later in his career

Very true, if you mess up as an international coach and get the boot, it's very difficult to find work after. Look at Gareth Jenkins, Lievremont, Eddie O'Sullivan etc.

Tox56

I wouldn't mind losing Schmidt to Ireland with O'Shea coming in (to Leinster). Doubt Schmidt will take Ireland but I would be interested to see if they offered it to him

ttankk

i dont want a foreign coach, there are good enough irish coaches around coaching top class teams that we need to back them. yes i think o shea is savage but hes just had one good year if they play like that next season then it will be a true showing

rrpc

I'm not sure it's really that likely. O'Shea is very settled in England. It's one thing to pop in and out to do a bit of punditry on RTE and another to be over here full time.

He's only really got started with Quins, had two really good seasons and if asked would probably say he's more work to do in that regard. He's also got strong links with the RFU and they might have something to say about any possible moves he may make in the future.

From every viewpoint, he'd be better building his experience where he is right now.

rrpc

ttankk wrote: »

i dont want a foreign coach, there are good enough irish coaches around coaching top class teams that we need to back them. yes i think o shea is savage but hes just had one good year if they play like that next season then it will be a true showing

Two good years. Won the Amlin in his first year there, the Premiership in his second.

irishbucsfan

The Irish job might be quite attractive. A lot of coaches can see plain as day that the team is being coached incorrectly and probably would fancy their chances!

rrpc

irishbucsfan wrote: »

The Irish job might be quite attractive. A lot of coaches can see plain as day that the team is being coached incorrectly and probably would fancy their chances!

It might, especially if he has another good season with Quins and it's not as fulltime a job as say coaching Leinster.

I'd still feel that the RFU might have something to say on the matter though.

Podge_irl

ttankk wrote: »

i dont want a foreign coach, there are good enough irish coaches around coaching top class teams that we need to back them. yes i think o shea is savage but hes just had one good year if they play like that next season then it will be a true showing

If you want an Irish coach then COS is the stand out option. Saracens are certainly not doing as well as Quins and who else is there?

irishbucsfan

ttankk wrote: »

i dont want a foreign coach, there are good enough irish coaches around coaching top class teams that we need to back them. yes i think o shea is savage but hes just had one good year if they play like that next season then it will be a true showing

If you don't want a foreign coach and you don't want conor o'shea, then who do you want?

Robbo

I'll get behind this because he probably has spent more time in the Sportsground than Kidney in the last two years.

Before the Ministry of Information leaps on this, it is what is colloquially known as a joke. Declan Kidney's record in the Ireland job is unassailable and we've always been at war with Eastasia.

I think he'll be the next next coach. Not the next one.

Sindri

rrpc wrote: »

I'd still feel that the RFU might have something to say on the matter though.

Why?

prospect

I'd say we will see O'Shea coaching the English International squad before we see him head up Ireland.

irishbucsfan

Sindri wrote: »

rrpc wrote: »

I'd still feel that the RFU might have something to say on the matter though.

Why?

OShea is an RFU man. He was on the committee that hired Lancaster and has worked for them for years.

[Jackass]

The next coach will be Bradley, with Foley as forwards coach and Quinlan as backs coach and O'Gara as defence coach.

Riskymove

irishbucsfan wrote: »

OShea is an RFU man. He was on the committee that hired Lancaster and has worked for them for years.

jaysus, he was offered a job by the RFU and took it...it doesn't sign him up for life!!

he doesn't have to revoke his Irish nationality

irishbucsfan

Riskymove wrote: »

irishbucsfan wrote: »

OShea is an RFU man. He was on the committee that hired Lancaster and has worked for them for years.

jaysus, he was offered a job by the RFU and took it...it doesn't sign him up for life!!

he doesn't have to revoke his Irish nationality

Eh? Noone said that! It's just some people think he might be more likely to stay with them first. Hes been involved a long time now

TheGoldenAges

Just waiting for it!
http://kidneyclock.net/

nathan99

http://kidneyclock.net/

Ruairi Sweeney 1997

I think Schmidt should be the next Ireland coach. It wouldnt be the wildest thing in the world. I like O'shea as well. I just want a more daring coach, one who is able to look beyond Munster for fringe players. I would be happy with a foreign coach with no loyalties to any irish team and breathe new life into the team. Irish coaches in the past have been "conservative" I'm a believer of form players being picked yet we still get players who havent hit form on the international scene in ages being picked (d'arcy, o'callaghan, heaslip)

duckysauce

Ruairi Sweeney 1997 wrote: »

I think Schmidt should be the next Ireland coach. It wouldnt be the wildest thing in the world. I like O'shea as well. I just want a more daring coach, one who is able to look beyond Munster for fringe players. I would be happy with a foreign coach with no loyalties to any irish team and breathe new life into the team. Irish coaches in the past have been "conservative" I'm a believer of form players being picked yet we still get players who havent hit form on the international scene in ages being picked (d'arcy, o'callaghan, heaslip)

yep and we still lost against the sheep yawn there is something else wrong and its in d4

duckysauce

duckysauce wrote: »

yep and we still lost against the sheep yawn there is something else wrong and its in d4

what is this ****?

did you even read his post or simply look at the "look beyond Munster for Fringe players" and felt the need to 'get a dig' back in. You'll note he named 2 Leinster players as examples of players being picked. (Though the Heaslip one, as we've been through time and time again, is just plain wrong, and an example of the madness of George Hook)

Everything in his post makes sense.

We are famed for conservatism - we have used the least amount of players out of all the teams in the 6N, by some distance!

We need to prevent our coaches having allegiances to one side, that affects selection policy only to our detriment. If he's picking players simply because they're better than the available replacement, that's fine, but that is not what we have seen.

Riskymove

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Eh? Noone said that! It's just some people think he might be more likely to stay with them first. Hes been involved a long time now

fair enough; tone isn't always easy to interpret on the net

Perhaps I took "O'Shea is an RFU Man" in a different way than you meant

Riskymove

Deleted User wrote: »

You'll note he named 2 Leinster players as examples of players being picked.

he hardly meant to protray D'Arcy and Heaslip as fringe players did he?

I think he was making a seperate point about form players there.


the orignal point was about not being able to look past Munster for 'fringe players' - I am not sure if this 'fringe player' is about the general squads selected or players on the bench or what?

Leinster and Munster were always likely to make up most of the squads in recent years. Ulster's recent success may change that, with a few younger players looking like good prospects.

You were just as likely to find players like Court, Wallace, Trimble, McFadden etc around the edges of an Ireland squad as a munster player

duckysauce

Deleted User wrote: »

what is this ****?

did you even read his post or simply look at the "look beyond Munster for Fringe players" and felt the need to 'get a dig' back in. You'll note he named 2 Leinster players as examples of players being picked. (Though the Heaslip one, as we've been through time and time again, is just plain wrong, and an example of the madness of George Hook)

Everything in his post makes sense.

We are famed for conservatism - we have used the least amount of players out of all the teams in the 6N, by some distance!

We need to prevent our coaches having allegiances to one side, that affects selection policy only to our detriment. If he's picking players simply because they're better than the available replacement, that's fine, but that is not what we have seen.

by dublin 4 I meant the irfu, not leinster players.

tolosenc

As long as he advocates O'Gara at 10 and Sexton at 12, O'Shea should be kept at arms length from the Ireland setup.

duckysauce

duckysauce wrote: »

by dublin 4 I meant the irfu, not leinster players.

oops

darragh_haven

tolosenc wrote: »

As long as he advocates O'Gara at 10 and Sexton at 12, O'Shea should be kept at arms length from the Ireland setup.

Does he support that set up? I don't believe it (said in the way of yeR man from one foot in the grave)

duckysauce

Deleted User wrote: »

oops

no worries

ray jay

tolosenc wrote: »

As long as he advocates O'Gara at 10 and Sexton at 12, O'Shea should be kept at arms length from the Ireland setup.

I doubt O'Gara at any position is going to happen by the time Kidney is replaced. Sexton at 12 is stupid, as was his suggestion to make a lock of Ferris, but I expect ideas like these would go out the door if he was the one who had to deal with the consequences.

tolosenc

darragh_haven wrote: »

Does he support that set up? I don't believe it (said in the way of yeR man from one foot in the grave)

Said it was our best option while on RTE during this year's 6 Nations.

whysomoody

Podge_irl wrote: »

If you want an Irish coach then COS is the stand out option. Saracens are certainly not doing as well as Quins and who else is there?

Are certainly not doing well?! They marginally lost in the Semi-Final of an Epic game away from home after a very good season, to be fair.

tolosenc wrote: »

Said it was our best option while on RTE during this year's 6 Nations.

Yes, but that's then, I doubt he would advocate that going forward.

Podge_irl

whysomoody wrote: »

Yes, but that's then, I doubt he would advocate that going forward.

I have serious reservations about anyone who advocates that now, or ever has in the past. Its a ludicrous idea.

Are certainly not doing well?!

Are not doing as well as Quins. I think COS has done a much better job then McCall has so far.

danthefan

O'Shea seems to have done a lot of work bringing through English talent at Quins, would love to see him taking over after Schmidt.

WeeBushy

I would quite like if it panned out this way:

O'Shea takes over at Leinster after Schmidt goes. A SH coach takes over from Kidney next season. O'Shea takes over Ireland after 4/5 years at Leinster... winning 5 Heineken cups while I'm at it!

TomLamp

I never want O'Shea at Leinster.

He is overhyped to the hilt, Harlequins play awful rugby and he adovated O'Gara at 10 and Sexton at 12.

He just isn't as great as everyone makes out.

BarackPyjama

I don't think O'Shea is going to be leaving England any time soon. He seems to be staking a serious career there and he's only 41. I reckon he'll probably wait a good few years before he takes an international coaching role as, if it doesn't go well, he's have made a mess of his career a bit too early!

Tox56

TomLamp wrote: »

I never want O'Shea at Leinster.

He is overhyped to the hilt, Harlequins play awful rugby and he adovated O'Gara at 10 and Sexton at 12.

He just isn't as great as everyone makes out.

Awful rugby?? Can you elabourate on that?

Quins are playing expansive and entertaining rugby, but it's also winning rugby.

whysomoody

TomLamp wrote: »

I never want O'Shea at Leinster.

He is overhyped to the hilt, Harlequins play awful rugby and he adovated O'Gara at 10 and Sexton at 12.

He just isn't as great as everyone makes out.

People here are all the time crying out for changes from the predictable rugby Ireland play, and now O'Shea is being slated for suggesting something new? It might not have worked, but with D'arcy playing poorly and O'Gara well at the time it was worth investigating.

irishbucsfan

whysomoody wrote: »

TomLamp wrote: »

I never want O'Shea at Leinster.

He is overhyped to the hilt, Harlequins play awful rugby and he adovated O'Gara at 10 and Sexton at 12.

He just isn't as great as everyone makes out.

People here are all the time crying out for changes from the predictable rugby Ireland play, and now O'Shea is being slated for suggesting something new? It might not have worked, but with D'arcy playing poorly and O'Gara well at the time it was worth investigating.

Don't think O'Gara played well in any game at all during the 6 Nation.

Unless you ask him of course.

tolosenc

whysomoody wrote: »

People here are all the time crying out for changes from the predictable rugby Ireland play, and now O'Shea is being slated for suggesting something new? It might not have worked, but with D'arcy playing poorly and O'Gara well at the time it was worth investigating.

No it wasn't. Sexton is one of the best in the world at his position and shouldn't be moved come hell or high water. O'Gara will be done in a year. We'd then have no 12. If D'arcy underperforming is the issue, bring in a 12 - like Wallace or McFadden.

Though, maybe, like Kidney, he thinks Wallace is a 10 and McFadden is a winger...

Tox56

whysomoody wrote: »

People here are all the time crying out for changes from the predictable rugby Ireland play, and now O'Shea is being slated for suggesting something new? It might not have worked, but with D'arcy playing poorly and O'Gara well at the time it was worth investigating.

Why? Leaving aside the claim ROG was playing well at the time, why would you put the long-term 10 at 12 (where he has hardly ever played for Leinster) and replace him with someone who will be playing for Ireland for maybe 2 more years?

Not only will we not give Sexton time to learn his trade as an international 10, we will be no closer to discovering a possible alternative at 12, it would be a horrendously negative move.