"Going on the boat" may not be an option if Euro collapses!!

MikeCork2009

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9291493/Theresa-May-well-stop-migrants-if-euro-collapses.html

What effect would such a move have on Ireland, if hypothetically the euro collapsed (or we left the single currency)? I don't know the figures, but while a lot of our economic emigrants have headed off to Canada and Oz, I'd say a substantial number have gone on the boat to England (as has been the case in the past) If things turn bad, and our economic emigrants had nowhere to go!! Emigration has always been a valve to the unemployment issue and resulting civil obedience issue in this country.

jimmycrackcorm

I can't see how it would be much different than it was in pre-euro days.

later12

Countries run all sorts of contingency plans, many of which appear a little outlandish and (rather expectedly) never see the light of day.

Did you know that during the Cold War, in the event of a nuclear attack the present Queen was to rule Armageddon-stricken Britain from her floating bunker on the QEII while sheltered from satellites on the sea lochs of Northern Scotland?

There is probably a list as long as your arm of bizarre contingency plans. I wouldn't start panicking about this one, especially since it would be unlikely to relate to Ireland in light of the Northern border.

n900guy

MikeCork2009 wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9291493/Theresa-May-well-stop-migrants-if-euro-collapses.html

What effect would such a move have on Ireland, if hypothetically the euro collapsed (or we left the single currency)? I don't know the figures, but while a lot of our economic emigrants have headed off to Canada and Oz, I'd say a substantial number have gone on the boat to England (as has been the case in the past) If things turn bad, and our economic emigrants had nowhere to go!! Emigration has always been a valve to the unemployment issue and resulting civil obedience issue in this country.

So, if the euro "collapses" with 12 million people leaving a currency union of ~ 350 million people, suddenly the economies of Germany, netherlands and everyone else will literally stop immediately leaving a parochial backwater as the most popular destination for all the poor Finnish and Dutch?

Are you serious?

When Ireland left the UK the GBP didn't collapse. Why would Greek leaving the Euro be more significant?

Itsdacraic

n900guy wrote: »

So, if the euro "collapses" with 12 million people leaving a currency union of ~ 350 million people, suddenly the economies of Germany, netherlands and everyone else will literally stop immediately leaving a parochial backwater as the most popular destination for all the poor Finnish and Dutch?

Are you serious?

When Ireland left the UK the GBP didn't collapse. Why would Greek leaving the Euro be more significant?

I presume because of the amount of exposure the big european countries have to Greek debt is far higher?

Lantus

As I wrote about some time ago one of the issues that no one was talking about in relation to Greece was the mass migration that any such breakaway from the euro would cause.

Today, unsurprisingly the UK has laid out it's case for stopping an uncontrolled influx more as a deterent as well. (Dont bother coming here we will only turn you back.)

Euro countries like germany and france (and every other EU country) have potentially a huge problem as people can move freely between them.

No country can afford to have several million people with no job and no support land on its shores. Expect to see the 'normal' rules abandoned as martial law takes precedence.

srsly78

Ireland and the UK are not signatories to the additional protocols of the Schengen treaty. We have our own free travel area as specified in the Anglo-Irish agreement.

tl;dr: Everyone else from Europe is fscked, but the Irish can still get the boat from the UK. Hell, we can even vote in general elections in the UK - coz they never got around to removing our status as citizens of the empire basically

stringed theory

This Daily Telegraph story is rubbish. If you read the interview with Theresa May, she makes an extremely guarded response to a leading question from the reporter.

The right to work for EU citizens throughout the EU is now part of the Charter of Fundamental Rights, and has been with us for over fifty years ( and should not be confused with passport control, as the Telegraph tries to do, and is in no way weakened by the transitional arrangements for Romania and Bulgaria which must end in 2014 )

A suspension of this right may be possible, whilst staying in the EU, with the permission of the Commission and all other governments, but as a unilateral act by the UK it is just eurosceptic wishful thinking.

johnnyskeleton

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and the gbp is just as, if not more likely, to collapse than the euro. Where will all the unemployed English go then?

Scofflaw

later12 wrote: »

Countries run all sorts of contingency plans, many of which appear a little outlandish and (rather expectedly) never see the light of day.

Did you know that during the Cold War, in the event of a nuclear attack the present Queen was to rule Armageddon-stricken Britain from her floating bunker on the QEII while sheltered from satellites on the sea lochs of Northern Scotland?

There is probably a list as long as your arm of bizarre contingency plans. I wouldn't start panicking about this one, especially since it would be unlikely to relate to Ireland in light of the Northern border.

I believe the US has contingency plans for invading Canada.

regards,
Scofflaw

swampgas

Scofflaw wrote: »

I believe the US has contingency plans for invading Canada.

And military plans for an alien invasion. I'd like to be on that planning team ...

djpbarry

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and the gbp is just as, if not more likely, to collapse than the euro. Where will all the unemployed English go then?

The same place as the unemployed Northern Irish, Scottish and Welsh, presumably?

The UK is heavily dependent on overseas workers - the institute I work in has about 750 staff, less than 50% of whom are British. The UK closing its borders would be economic suicide.

djpbarry

Scofflaw wrote: »

I believe the US has contingency plans for invading Canada.

That's common knowledge.

londonbus

There's no protocol for a country to withdraw from the Euro - but that's being actively considered in these strange times.

I understand that a country can bar freedom of movement in extreme circumstances. The UK pulling the plug elsewhere is unlikely to affect Ireland because of the Common Travel Area.

Don't forget that the £ is now being regarded as a "safe haven" currency.